[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread Peter Kinev
In places where I came from, Wall Street, CVS/pharmacy, GE, GM, and rest of 1000 big plus many tens of thousands smaller with exception of majority of ISPs and some posters on this list, the deployment platform of choice is Java based. In critical applications almost without exceptions the Java

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread Ross Clutterbuck
Peter: Whoa there!! Never meant to get anybody's back up, it's just that in my experience I've never seen or needed to touch Java and as a result never bothered to dig too deep. Now, as I don't work with, for in near Wall Street and the other examples you give, I was not aware of their

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread Stephen Caudill
Ross, No fault on your part, Peter only pops up once or twice a month to start flame wars and brag profusely about skills we mortals can't conceive... flame type=non-contributor bashing You know, I have never seen a URL in one of his sigs or any other supporting evidence that he actually

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread Cheryl D. Wise
Mark, Were they looking for 'classic' asp or asp.net? Both can run on Apache/*nix boxes. For 'classic' look at ChiliSoft (oops just went to get a url and discovered that Sun has purchased it and it is now call Sun ONE Active Server Pages but is still found at www.chilisoft.com}. Another option

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread Cheryl D. Wise
Peter, I don't think anyone has disputed that in the large mainframe corporate world Java is used extensively. That's the place it has found a home. Most of the people on this list however don't work in that world or if they do they work in a limited section of it related to the internet. There

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread John Nichel
Well, most of his points are valid...just his method of delivery is a bit off. I noticed a couple of people on this list talking about how Java was dead, or how it was useless. Those people are either mis-informed, or M$ sheep. While I will agree that Java has no place on HTLM pages (to

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread Ben Joyce
16:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case Well, most of his points are valid...just his method of delivery is a bit off. I noticed a couple of people on this list talking about how Java was dead, or how it was useless. Those people

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-27 Thread Jan Major
I use Java, primarily for graphics though, don't know if that's good or bad. About two years ago, Sun's statements predicted that JSP would become more useful than using CGI/PERL. I like it better than C, C++. Java works just as well, but much easier to work with. Jan JDVisions Why I believe

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-26 Thread Brewnetty \(AuntySpam\)
Of course, Microsoft is already appealing but they do have to include Java for now. Don't be afraid of living ~the alternative is too final. by AuntySpam - Original Message - From: Mary L Rusinko To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: [wdvltalk]

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-26 Thread Cheryl D. Wise
Why I believe you are correct that Sun is the one who stopped MS from including Java in the XP release Java isn't quite as dead as you think. If I recall correctly ColdFusion MX is now written in Java and there are quite a few J2EE is the foundation of many web services besides news tickers.

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-26 Thread Ross Clutterbuck
If J2EE is making a break then hurrah (didn't know about ColdFusion MX, should've known as Macromedia love Java - Java xtras for Director coming soon!). MOU __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-26 Thread Bj
- Original Message - From: Ross Clutterbuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 December 2002 23:07 Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case If J2EE is making a break then hurrah (didn't know about ColdFusion MX, should've known as Macromedia love Java

[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

2002-12-26 Thread Cheryl D. Wise
Just because MS is interested and Macromedia had a bad year doesn't mean it will happen. After all MS tried to buy Intuit for Quicken a few years back. When they couldn't they started beefing up MS Money but Quicken is still the market leader. I'm hoping that MS has the same success with