Re: [Web-SIG] Just lost another one to Rails

2005-05-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Ian Bicking wrote: [snip] > But as Ajax becomes part of the normal web developer's toolkit, what > Rails provides won't be that important. I think things will change > radically as actual Javascript developer communities start to come > about -- right now they are uncommon and usually attached to

Re: [Web-SIG] Just lost another one to Rails

2005-05-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Todd Grimason wrote: [snip] > In other words, good docs, good tutorials, sample applications (beyond > 10-liners), and yes, as much as many coders seem to distain it, > good-looking websites. If someone coming to web programming from X or Y > language (X or Y not being python or ruby), and looks at

Re: [Web-SIG] Just lost another one to Rails

2005-05-01 Thread Ian Bicking
Greg Wilson wrote: > * AJAX support (I think Rails' most compelling feature may turn out to > be the fact that it does more AJAX straight out of the box than anything > else --- they're definitely going to ride that wave) My own take on this is that the web development community on the whole is

Re: [Web-SIG] Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-27 Thread Shannon -jj Behrens
Dear Greg, I've read your email. What's your solution? Best Regards, -jj On 4/8/05, Greg Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A colleague down in the States, whom I converted to Python two years > ago, sent me mail last night saying, "Well, we've decided to go with > Rails. Means learning a new

Re: [Web-SIG] Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-08 Thread Ian Bicking
mike bayer wrote: is there any effort underway to merge WSGI into mod_python, and/or produce an otherwise apache-embedded WSGI ? i would think thats a top priority. I think Phillip maybe played with such a thing, and maybe someone else did too, but it wasn't clear that someone invested in mod_py

Re: [Web-SIG] Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-08 Thread mike bayer
is there any effort underway to merge WSGI into mod_python, and/or produce an otherwise apache-embedded WSGI ? i would think thats a top priority. > I've actually been changing my mind about what we as a community need to > do (my last Rails post was me thinking through those ideas: > http://blo

Re: [Web-SIG] Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-08 Thread Ian Bicking
Greg Wilson wrote: So my question is, has there been any movement in the wake of Michelle Levesque's web-off, and all the press Rails has been getting, to do something about this? I've been hard at work on WSGIKit, mostly trying to create that out-of-the-box experience. There's been some progre

Re: [Web-SIG] Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-08 Thread mike bayer
it seems like Rails appeals to that same crowd to whom PHP appeals to, and before that things like ASP and Cold Fusion appealed toi.e. the "big box of code soup that makes small and simple things simple...and big hard thingsah im sure it can do that too". is Python ever going to attract t

Re: [Web-SIG] Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-08 Thread Shannon -jj Behrens
Yep. I'm working my ass off on this with coding, with documenting, and with politics. I know we can do this. It's all a matter of getting people going in the same direction. It's really just a political problem. The code is already almost all there. Best Regards, -jj On Apr 8, 2005 5:06 AM,

Re: [Web-SIG] Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-08 Thread Paul Boddie
Greg Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >So my question is, has there been any movement in the wake of >Michelle Levesque's web-off, and all the press Rails has been >getting, to do something about this? My own plans, time permitting, involve writing clearer introductory documentation for WebSta

[Web-SIG] Just lost another one to Rails

2005-04-08 Thread Greg Wilson
A colleague down in the States, whom I converted to Python two years ago, sent me mail last night saying, "Well, we've decided to go with Rails. Means learning a new language, but their stuff just plain worked out of the box." He's a bright guy --- used to run an ISP in the mid-90s, and those