, but
I'm not sure why... it seems like a useful capability.
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efforts I can never get it to work. Well best efforts might
indicate more work than I've actually put into it, but enough effort to
leave me thoroughly annoyed ;)
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run:
app-setup --template=webkit_zpt create
It fills in those files, so they are templates for the application.
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do the
latter automatically anyway :). I think Ian Bicking has been saying
similar things.
Well, since I show up in both paragraphs (having written FormEncode),
and both sides of the issue, I guess I should reflect on why.
The duplication of work did occur to me (and I was looking to give up
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* New package name: paste
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James Y Knight wrote:
On Apr 28, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:
What I want in a WSGI server
twisted.web2 supports: HTTP, HTTPS, CGI, and I wrote SCGI yesterday and
will commit it this weekend. FastCGI looks like a complicated protocol,
so it'll probably be a bit harder than SCGI
across browsers.
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they don't have a web-forms-implementors mailing list or
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hooks to use it as a backend to a caching middleware, but I
wonder if anyone's started on anything in that direction.
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?) -- either way it can't hurt for
people to indicate an interest in mentorship.
Anyway, the page is here:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonWebProgrammingIdeas
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Anyone have any comments on HTMLTemplate?
Which one? I think there's a few.
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, that
the WSGI dictionary is a reasonable standard object.
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separate
process for Windows might make sense (as a windows service or something).
Opinions? Or examples of other servers (preferably Python-based) that
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Jacob Smullyan wrote:
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 01:26:17PM -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
Does anyone have opinions on how to start and stop daemon servers? I've
added a --daemon option to paster serve, but I'd like to implement stop,
restart, and reload as well. Whenever I encounter servers
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for about 10
seconds. So connections during that downtime get caught in the gateway
between Apache and the Python server, and eventually get through (as
long as the server really does come back up). It works quite well, and
it's simple.
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I'm guessing you also meant to copy web-sig...
Jacob Smullyan wrote:
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 01:52:52PM -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
Jacob Smullyan wrote:
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 01:26:17PM -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
Does anyone have opinions on how to start and stop daemon servers? I've
added
)
But I'm not sure if that's right either. The process seems to die,
instead of properly terminating. Should I send another signal, and set
up a signal handler in the server? Then perhaps I would send that
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, I don't know of any, though I'd be very interested in
such a thing. Incidentally making such a thing was one of the ideas I
put up for Google's Summer of Code. But I don't know if anyone took
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produce strings. I think consumers should treat strings (or maybe a
special string subclass) specially, performing conversions as necessary
(e.g., 'yes'-True).
Thoughts?
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partitioning was done improperly.
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to step back from that a bit. It sure is tempting,
though. ;-)
I've found it satisfyingly easy. Maybe there's a better way... but
better without easier doesn't excite me at all. And we learn best
by doing... which is my way of saying you should try it with code right
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Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 01:57 PM 7/11/2005 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
Lately I've been thinking about the role of Paste and WSGI and whatnot.
Much of what makes a Paste component Pastey is configuration;
otherwise the bits are just independent pieces of middleware, WSGI
applications, etc
of
architecture I've been attracted to, and the kind of middleware I've
been adding to Paste. The biggest difference is that mod_python uses an
actual list and return values, where WSGI uses nested function calls.
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Chris McDonough wrote:
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 22:49 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
In addition to the examples I gave in response to Graham, I wrote a
document on this a while ago:
http://pythonpaste.org/docs/url-parsing-with-wsgi.html
The hard part about this is configuration; it's easy
most of the
time, but if you do it's still not that bad. WSGI is dumb and crude,
which is a feature.
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applications. However, that feature specification would be optional.
What the configuration file in egg-info looks like, I don't know.
Probably just like the original configuration file, except this time
with a factory.
I don't like the configuration key egg though. But eh, that's a detail.
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Chris McDonough wrote:
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 17:26 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
To do this, we use a ConfigParser-format config file named
'myapplication.conf' that looks like this::
[application:sample1]
config = sample1.conf
factory = wsgiconfig.tests.sample_components.factory1
, but if the change in the configuration file
reflected a change in the source code, then you're stuck because
reloading in Python is so infeasible. I'm all for warnings, but I don't
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the assignment inside a string, instead of:
entry_points = {
'wsgi.app_factories': {
'app': 'somemodule:somefunction',
},
}
Also, is there any default name? Like for a package that distributes
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that name could match the
package name, or a fixed name we agree upon, but otherwise it adds
another name to the mix.
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knows how to build an application from
filename conventions in the package itself, even though the
paste.wareweb module isn't in the project itself.
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the character decoding improperly (line-by-line
instead of opening the file with the given character encoding), but
otherwise it's been sufficiently generic and workable, and should allow
for doing more extensive parsing of things like section headers.
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it is harder.
Also when configuration is pushed into factories as keyword arguments,
instead of being pulled out of a dictionary, it is much harder -- the
configuration becomes unhackable.
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Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 08:29 PM 7/25/2005 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
Right now Paste hands around a fairly flat dictionary. This
dictionary is passed around in full (as part of the WSGI environment)
to every piece of middleware, and actually to everything (via an
import and threadlocal
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Well, the stack is really just an example, meant to be more realistic
than sample1 and sample2. I actually think it's a very reasonable
example, but that's not really the point. Presuming this stack, how
would you configure it?
Chris McDonough wrote:
Just for a frame of reference, I'll say
: FileBrowser app
browse_path = /home/rflosi
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Ian Bicking wrote:
It's experimental. It's far too bound to ConfigParser. Maybe it's too
closely bound to .ini files in general. It doesn't handle multiple
files or file references well at all. Actually, not just not well, but
just not at all. But I think it's fairly simple and usable
implies that there should be a standard generic location
to store session information. Or you can ignore that and use the
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mike bayer wrote:
I mostly was using Apache::Session as a guide to the architectural
features I wanted to see, which include flexibility of containment and
locking systems as well as a separation between individual sessions.
Is there a good API guide to Apache::Session somewhere?
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. Then
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Ian Bicking wrote:
Though there's a couple issues. The sessino store should be passed
along with the session ID. It should be specified that loading a
session from this callback will not cancel its expiration. Maybe
per-session callbacks should be allowed; in which case the callbacks
do what you want
to do just fine, and ignore the rest.
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Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 09:03 PM 8/22/2005 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
One aspect of paste.deploy that wasn't shown in that example is that
it's easy to refer to other configuration files. It would actually be
more realistic to do:
[composit:app]
use = egg:Paste#urlmap
to be string literals.
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Ksenia Marasanova wrote:
Sorry if this is a trivial question, but does it sounds reasonable to
use WSGI for pluggable standard applications, instead of usual
Python imports? For example, standard news module, like:
app = NewsApp(path='/site/news/')
The content of news app would be
Ksenia Marasanova wrote:
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Ksenia Marasanova wrote:
Sorry if this is a trivial question, but does it sounds reasonable to
use WSGI for pluggable standard applications, instead of usual
Python imports? For example, standard news module, like:
app
hooks to subtly change various parts of the page is
intricate. I'd hate to have to do that using a filter :-/ Oh well,
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I'm pleased to release the first official packaging of the Paste suite
of tools. I'm starting at 0.3 -- less committal than 1.0, but more
confident than 0.1... just right for now.
Python Paste aims brings consistency to Python web development and web
application installation, providing tools for
I'm pleased to announce FormEncode 0.3.
What is it?
---
FormEncode is a package for form validation and conversion. It also
includes modules for parsing, filling, and extracting metadata from HTML
forms. It features robust conversion both of incoming and outgoing
data, attention paid
I'm pleased to announce FormEncode 0.4.
What Changed?
-
Lots of cleanups and clarifications. Also a module to integrate with
SQLObject. Read all about the changes:
http://formencode.org/news.html
What is it?
---
FormEncode is a package for form validation and
to
greater effect in an asynchronous server. However, I'd rather it not be
optional, as most WSGI apps won't do this, and so servers won't get good
testing on this or may just not implement it, and then some apps and
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be required in the spec, since it's required in practice.
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CCing DB-SIG -- people there might know more details.
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in the server.
Not that I really know much about chunking, except that it was discussed
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. Well, I suppose you
could update the one-and-only environ from a copy you made before
sending the request on. But anyway, it doesn't do that.
I'd like to do this same thing (N subrequests) sometime in the future
for server-side HTML Overlays.
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accompanied by
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, 'foo.tmpl')
print tmpl_plugin.render(tmpl, locals())
Where before it would be:
tmpl_plugin = CheetahPlugin()
print tmpl_plugin.render(locals(), template='foo.tmpl')
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Phillip J. Eby wrote:
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At 09:39 PM 1/31/2006 -0600, Ian Bicking wrote:
How do you pass in variables?
environ, or a nested variable therein
OK, if you invert that (put the environ in the variables) then you
get... variables, like in the original spec.
How do
the chain of
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= response.plugin.render(resource, {'environ': environ})
start_response('200 OK', environ['response.headers'].items())
return [body]
There's a bunch of sloppy WSGI constructs, and the environment isn't a
great request object, but that's not really the point.
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Ian Bicking wrote:
def render(template_instance, vars, format=html, fragment=False):
Here I can magically turn this into a WEB templating spec:
def render(template_instance, vars, format=html, fragment=False,
wsgi_environ=None, set_header_callback=None)
wsgi_environ is the environ
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Ian Bicking wrote:
Ian Bicking wrote:
def render(template_instance, vars, format=html, fragment=False):
Here I can magically turn this into a WEB templating spec:
def render(template_instance, vars, format=html, fragment=False,
wsgi_environ=None, set_header_callback=None)
I've
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 03:26 PM 2/5/2006 -0600, Ian Bicking wrote:
Even the most trivial of web applications needs templates to include
other templates, so the fact that this doesn't do anything to aid or
specify that makes the spec feel leaky. I can indicate where the
template comes
James Y Knight wrote:
On Feb 5, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:
``set_header_callback`` is a function that can be called like
``set_header_callback(header_name, header_value)``.
Arguments can only be strings (not unicode) [encode unicode
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Kevin Dangoor wrote:
On 2/5/06, Ian Bicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
def render(template_instance, vars, wsgi_environ=None,
set_header_callback=None, **kwargs):
I'm not keen on the wsgi_environ and set_header_callback options,
because I don't perceive a true need
of templates, not to be confused with the template itself.
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compatibility well. It would be easy, for instance, to apply
the filtering in the logging middleware if the server was not already
filtering the response, and set the key to represent that the filtering
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can't know if the thing calling it is a server
that is actually talking to a socket, or some middleware that is passing
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-sarna.com/wsgiref/src/wsgiref/simple_server.py?rev=1.2view=markup)
are all pretty short. It would be better to discuss the particulars.
Is there a code path in one or more of these servers which you think is
unneeded and problematic?
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be two servers in the standard library (I assume) -- CGI and HTTP (and
hopefully HTTPS will be easy to build off of HTTP).
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something to consider. OTOH, maybe it should just be a similar object.
And maybe both should use UserDict.DictMixin; much simpler then.
Oh, and I don't like that __getitem__() and .get() are the same.
__getitem__ should raise KeyError.
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recieves
can be fully described by a dictionary (unlike the cookies that a server
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- Form value validation
I believe this is rather difficult, but not impossible.
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look for in stdlib modules.
Or, I can imagine an implementation-focused PEP on several of the things
discussed. Which things?
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included anywhere, I'd want to at
least include such a simulation in the tests.
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will emerge.
But lots of what we're talking about here isn't like that, so we
shouldn't be pessimistic, just focused.
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markup.sf.net). I'm more interested in just
using it to build fragments.
Opinions?
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Hi guys... looks like Google SoC is back on again. I'm hoping we get
some good web stuff going on, so people should start thinking. Also
there's two wiki pages where you can add project ideas:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode and the somewhat out-of-date
(and needs cleaning) page
the Javascript is given to execute.
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though, just some questions
about the particulars of the server. I think there were at least a
couple small suggestions for the wsgiref server; in particular maybe a
slight refactoring to make it easier to use with https.
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of checks that should take place (most related to /'s),
and the not found response should be configurable (probably as an
application that can be passed in as an argument). But that's most of
what it should do.
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the same prefix dispatching in Python *without*
matching the interface of anybody else's code or environment; that's the
sort of thing a reference implementation is meant to keep people from doing.
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Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 04:04 PM 4/28/2006 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
I don't see why not to use prefix matching. It is more consistent with
the handling of the default application ('', instead of a method that
needs to be overridden), and more general, and the algorithm is only
barely
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 05:47 PM 4/28/2006 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
It will still be only a couple lines less than prefix matching.
That's beside the point. Prefix matching is inherently a more complex
concept, and more likely to be confusing, without introducing much in
the way of new
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 07:48 PM 4/28/2006 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
One is not more complex than the other.
The implementation has more moving parts, but I was talking about
conceptual complexity.
The most common web servers do not match path prefixes, they have
directories and files
for what
prefix dispatching implement on their own, which means that they won't
be as compatible with other webservers and environments.
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