Re: [web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

Massimo has said that at some point he wants to work on something for Python 3 that may borrow some concepts from Web2py but will be different to take advantage of Python 3 and the many years of learning from Web2py. But it's unlikely that he is going to spend energy on "porting Web2py to Python

Re: [web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

Note, backward compatibility applies to the documented API only -- we still have the freedom to change the underlying implementation. Lots of code has been refactored over the past year plus. On Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:13:27 AM UTC-4, Joseph Jude wrote: > > As much as I like backward compatib

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

So far this has not been issue. For example we added lots of features in the last year (scheduler, gird, smartgrid, new admin, new welcome layout, etc.) but the web2py size has not increased much and stayed very small, as you can see in this graph: http://www.ohloh.net/p/web2py Massimo On Oct 1

Re: [web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

As much as I like backward compatibility, I believe the (web2py) code will become unmanageable and bloated too. So at some point in time, it is better to overhaul and not provide backward compatibility.

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We've already got a good start with Powerpack and Instant Press -- it may make sense to collaborate/build on those. On Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:06:18 AM UTC-4, Farsheed Ashouri wrote: > > About the cms, I am actually working on a general, full featured CMS for my > own company. just out of c

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:36:18 +0330 Farsheed Ashouri wrote: > About the cms, I am actually working on a general, full featured CMS > for my own company. just out of curiosity, anyone attracted to my blog > system? It's nice. > What is a standard cms definition? E.g. C

Re: [web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Farsheed Ashouri < farsheed.asho...@gmail.com> wrote: > About the cms, I am actually working on a general, full featured CMS for my > own company. just out of curiosity, anyone attracted to my blog > system? > If community like it, I'd o

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About the cms, I am actually working on a general, full featured CMS for my own company. just out of curiosity, anyone attracted to my blog system? If community like it, I'd open it's source and start develop it as a standard CMS for web2py. And if not, What is a standard

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > The community should write such road map and work to achieve it. Anyone senior inspired to work on that? > - finish the web2py recipes book Is this going to be printed as well? Sincerely, Gour -- “In the material world, c

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > I will. Does it mean the code won't be any longer under hg so those who prefer hg over git would have to use hg-git? Sincerely, Gour -- “In the material world, conceptions of good and bad are all mental speculations…” (Sri

Re: [web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

On Oct 14, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > No. > Web2py cannot run on 3 because of backward compatibility. > There will be a web3py that runs on python 3 but it will not be just a > port of web2py because we will take the occasion for a major overhaul. Though if we had an overhauled

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

No. Web2py cannot run on 3 because of backward compatibility. There will be a web3py that runs on python 3 but it will not be just a port of web2py because we will take the occasion for a major overhaul. On Oct 14, 7:38 pm, Farsheed Ashouri wrote: > And probably we should consider porting web2p

Re: [web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

On Friday, October 14, 2011 8:54:23 PM UTC-4, rochacbruno wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Farsheed Ashouri > wrote: > >> And probably we should consider porting web2py to python 3. > > > That't not on the roadmap... in the future will be a web3py but not now. > (may be web3py will be

Re: [web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Farsheed Ashouri < farsheed.asho...@gmail.com> wrote: > And probably we should consider porting web2py to python 3. That't not on the roadmap... in the future will be a web3py but not now. (may be web3py will be a completelly different project with the same goals

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And probably we should consider porting web2py to python 3. On Saturday, October 15, 2011, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > I will. > > On Oct 14, 5:50 pm, Bruno Rocha > > wrote: > > > - group plugins in one place > > > - deprecate web2py.com/applications and consolidate the good ones > > > > Take gith

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

I will. On Oct 14, 5:50 pm, Bruno Rocha wrote: > > - group plugins in one place > > - deprecate web2py.com/applications and consolidate the good ones > > Take github as an option for doing that!

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> > - group plugins in one place > - deprecate web2py.com/applications and consolidate the good ones Take github as an option for doing that!

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

The community should write such road map and work to achieve it. For now my priorities are: - finish the book (4th ed) - finish the web2py recipes book - group plugins in one place - deprecate web2py.com/applications and consolidate the good ones On Oct 14, 3:55 pm, Gour wrote: > On Wed, 5 Oct

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > Instant-press is the de-fact CMS and I think it can be packaged with > other apps (for example PyForum, pyStack, IssueTracker, etc) to build > a suite of production tools perhaps using federated authentication. What do you think

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

+1 Coming from PHP months ago I had never touched python or anything python related but was drawn to it by an article on how Disqus used python and the whole MVC concept. Tried Django but was met with less than nice responses when asking questions while reading their book. Found web2py as I like

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On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > We need to do this +1 When I asked in Django about some CMS, the answer was: build one your self!* * situation in the meantime has changed a bit and now there are some decentt * CMS engines like Django CMS, FeinCMS, Mezzani

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

+1 or more I looked at several Python frameworks 1.5 years ago. Half of them are dead projects now glad I wasn't on any of those bandwagons. It came down to Web2py and Django and every time I looked at Django I went back to Web2py because it felt so well designed and set up for getting things d

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

I like web2py. I think it's the best web framework out there... Let me explain where I'm coming from. My first experience as a web developer was with Smalltalk/Seaside in 2007. It came highly recommended to me by a friend. He told me that Seaside was very powerful, very flexible, and most importan

Re: [web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

+1 2011/10/5 Andrew : > P.S. > In my opinion, having a solid CMS solution running on web2py will be a > huge boost to the adoption of web2py. > If Instantpress is the recommended approach, perhaps it deserves a > little space (at least a link) on the web2py website.  It may be one > of many plugin

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

P.S. In my opinion, having a solid CMS solution running on web2py will be a huge boost to the adoption of web2py. If Instantpress is the recommended approach, perhaps it deserves a little space (at least a link) on the web2py website. It may be one of many plugin apps available, but I think CMS de

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

On Oct 6, 6:46 am, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > We need to do this ... > Instant-press is the de-fact CMS I have been meaning to ask that question for a while. Does that mean that the plugin_wiki is not the recommended way forward, or do you see it as having a different purpose (wiki specifica

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

We need to do this Actually I would like that be part of the book 4th ed and that is causing some delays. web2py.com/appliances is crap and should be disappear. The plugin sites should be merged into one that makes it easy for people to contribute. Instant-press is the de-fact CMS and I think

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BOSSIE Award already Prove Them Wrong. Its one of the biggest if not Biggest award in opensource wrold. Way to go Massimo and web2pygroup! On 10/5/11, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > The people who criticize web2py the most have financial interest in a > competing framework. Usually Django. They sell

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

> just wonder if your client(s) want CMS, blog, forms...what do you use? Yes, most of them want, and once you create your standard core, you can reuse those controllers and models or views simply in other projects!

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

The people who criticize web2py the most have financial interest in a competing framework. Usually Django. They sell consulting services. You don't expect Microsoft developers to like Apple, do you? Or perhaps you do but they would be saying it in public. Massimo On Oct 5, 9:07 am, Farsheed Ash

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 07:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Farsheed Ashouri wrote: > Just for test, use Django for a week and you'll be back to > Web2py soon than we expected and with headaches!! I tried it and now I'm here. > Every day, I am creating a new website for my clients. I just wonder if your client(s

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

i bet they event didn't create a simple site with Web2py. Don't trust them. Just for test, use Django for a week and you'll be back to Web2py soon than we expected and with headaches!! Every day, I am creating a new website for my clients. When I was using Django, just initial setup took me hour

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:36:41 +0100 "Sebastian E. Ovide" wrote: Hiya Sebastian, > It is not just my personal opinion (or it is?) but doesn't matter how > long you will look for, you won't find the perfect/ultimate > language/framework. In ALL the tools that I've used in the past (and > present) I'v

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > Most of the criticism is fueled by stakeholders in other python > frameworks. Even if those are open source projects, they have > consulting based on their frameworks (and that is perfectly > reasonable) therefore when another fr

[web2py] Re: criticism of web2py

Most of the criticism is fueled by stakeholders in other python frameworks. Even if those are open source projects, they have consulting based on their frameworks (and that is perfectly reasonable) therefore when another framework steals their customers and wins awards they see it as a bad thing.

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On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 10:04:19 +0200 (CEST) "Roberto De Ioris" wrote: > If you want an adivse, do not trust those kind of people. :-) > Whoever claim itself a technology-guy and has fear of diversity, or > 'non-ortodox' approaches should probably start looking in other > areas... /me fully agree