Re: [webkit-dev] Open Design beyond Open Source

2007-02-17 Thread Lars Knoll
Hi George and Maciej, let me just add in some comments from my side :) On Saturday 17 February 2007 08:23, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > Hey George, > > Thanks for sharing your concerns. > > On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:29 PM, George Staikos wrote: > > On 16-Feb-07, at 9:22 PM, Mike Emmel wrote: > >> Here

Re: [webkit-dev] Open Design beyond Open Source

2007-02-16 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:57 PM, David Hyatt wrote: (2) I think we should allow for ports to operate in a similar fashion on tip of tree if they need to. Basically within platform- specific code (like say the Qt port), we should be much more open about granting commit access to interested c

Re: [webkit-dev] Open Design beyond Open Source

2007-02-16 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
Hey George, Thanks for sharing your concerns. On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:29 PM, George Staikos wrote: On 16-Feb-07, at 9:22 PM, Mike Emmel wrote: Here is the link of what you have to go through to commit now. http://webkit.org/coding/contributing.html People wanting to do a new port are not go

Re: [webkit-dev] Open Design beyond Open Source

2007-02-16 Thread David Hyatt
I think this is a constructive email, George. Thanks for writing it. Specific responses below. On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:29 PM, George Staikos wrote: We made some great progress but it's an absolutely ridiculous development model as far as getting real work done. So far we had: 1) Work ou

Re: [webkit-dev] Open Design beyond Open Source

2007-02-16 Thread George Staikos
On 16-Feb-07, at 9:22 PM, Mike Emmel wrote: Actually their are five ports. QT OSX Gdk Windows and S60 you forgot the windows port. Of the five the windows port and gdk port are not progressing that well and don't have a lot of developer support. The QT S60 and OSX ports have a lot of developers

Re: [webkit-dev] Open Design beyond Open Source

2007-02-16 Thread David Hyatt
So far I've heard: (1) Switch the entire repository over to a new version control system, with no real reasons cited other than what appears to be a religious preference for your own particular favorite version control system. (2) Throw out all the built-in graphics/networking code from t

Re: [webkit-dev] Open Design beyond Open Source

2007-02-16 Thread Mike Emmel
On 2/17/07, Adam Roben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Mike Emmel wrote: > What would apple need to do ? > > 1.) Simply make a better web page so people can write a small > paragraph about their work and provide a link to a website or > repository. This seems like a p

Re: [webkit-dev] Open Design beyond Open Source

2007-02-16 Thread Adam Roben
On Feb 16, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Mike Emmel wrote: What would apple need to do ? 1.) Simply make a better web page so people can write a small paragraph about their work and provide a link to a website or repository. This seems like a perfect job for our wiki at http:// trac.webkit.org/. In fa

Re: [webkit-dev] Open Design beyond Open Source

2007-02-16 Thread Mike Emmel
On 2/16/07, David Hyatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't really understand this email at all. As Maciej already said, if you want to have a public fork of WebKit, there's nothing stopping you. If you want to have a public branch of WebKit in our repository, there's nothing stopping you (Nokia

Re: [webkit-dev] Open Design beyond Open Source

2007-02-16 Thread David Hyatt
I don't really understand this email at all. As Maciej already said, if you want to have a public fork of WebKit, there's nothing stopping you. If you want to have a public branch of WebKit in our repository, there's nothing stopping you (Nokia has such a branch, and we grant commit privil

[webkit-dev] Open Design beyond Open Source

2007-02-16 Thread Mike Emmel
I think its time to step back from the details of a project and explain a bit of a new concept I'm working on. Its a very short description but I hope it helps. The concept is called open design. The thesis is open source is not good enough. The reason that open source fails is that the create