Re: [webkit-dev] pointer events specification - first editors draft

2012-12-04 Thread Rick Byers
The premise of the specification is that using mouse event and touch events interchangeably is needed. In reality, nobody was really asking for that because it is a terrible idea. You can already easily unify pen, touch and mouse by writing very little JavaScript, but it is only useful in very

Re: [webkit-dev] pointer events specification - first editors draft

2012-12-04 Thread Benjamin Poulain
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Rick Byers rby...@chromium.org wrote: The premise of the specification is that using mouse event and touch events interchangeably is needed. In reality, nobody was really asking for that because it is a terrible idea. You can already easily unify pen, touch

Re: [webkit-dev] pointer events specification - first editors draft

2012-12-04 Thread Rick Byers
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Benjamin Poulain benja...@webkit.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Rick Byers rby...@chromium.org wrote: The premise of the specification is that using mouse event and touch events interchangeably is needed. In reality, nobody was really asking for

Re: [webkit-dev] pointer events specification - first editors draft

2012-12-01 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Nov 28, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote: It looks like this thread got dropped over Thanksgiving. (Responses inline.) On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Benjamin Poulain benja...@webkit.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Rick Byers rby...@chromium.org wrote:

Re: [webkit-dev] pointer events specification - first editors draft

2012-11-29 Thread Adam Barth
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Benjamin Poulain benja...@webkit.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote: I'm sympathetic to these concerns, but, unfortunately, I don't see any other path that leads to interoperability with Internet Explorer. Currently,

Re: [webkit-dev] pointer events specification - first editors draft

2012-11-29 Thread Benjamin Poulain
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote: I would prefer WebKit to be wise and wait for either good use cases, or a better spec. In my view, the wise course of action is for all user agents to implement an interoperable set of input events so that authors don't

Re: [webkit-dev] pointer events specification - first editors draft

2012-11-28 Thread Adam Barth
It looks like this thread got dropped over Thanksgiving. (Responses inline.) On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Benjamin Poulain benja...@webkit.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Rick Byers rby...@chromium.org wrote: Outside of the design details, are there any thoughts or concerns

Re: [webkit-dev] pointer events specification - first editors draft

2012-11-28 Thread Benjamin Poulain
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote: I'm sympathetic to these concerns, but, unfortunately, I don't see any other path that leads to interoperability with Internet Explorer. Currently, there is little to no content that supports pointer events. There is also

Re: [webkit-dev] pointer events specification - first editors draft

2012-11-22 Thread Benjamin Poulain
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Rick Byers rby...@chromium.org wrote: Outside of the design details, are there any thoughts or concerns about WebKit getting an implementation of pointer events at some point? In my opinion, the pointer events spec is a bad idea (at least, in its current

[webkit-dev] pointer events specification - first editors draft

2012-11-21 Thread Rick Byers
Hi, The W3C pointer events working group [1] has put out their first editors draft of the Pointer Events specification [2]. Pointer events offer a number of advantages over the current mouse event + touch event model in WebKit. In particular, having apps state clearly and declaratively [3]