As super does the same thing without WORequest, I don't see why it's
needed. But no, it isn't (without resorting to pretty fugly
refelction). Go write a bug report against WO for this unneeded and
unfriendly change of public api...
Cheers, Anjo
Am 30.10.2007 um 01:04 schrieb Andrew
2007/10/29, Mike Schrag [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
2007/10/29, Jeffrey Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
We often use tags to pass values into a piece of JavaScript. Will the
tags
be parsed?
Sure!
The only case, where some problems occur (but probably it works) is
var myStr = My Name is
Lachlan,
thanks, I thought of that. Leopard hosed my hostconfig file, so I put
back HOSTNAME=localhost (the DNS server and my computer don't agree,
so this overrides it); Eclipse uses a WO parameter for -WOHost
localhost and so does wotaskd.
I did find one problem in the log it says:
The community edition is free, and you get InnoDB and MyISAM with it.
Basically the community edition lags a few dot releases behind the
enterprise edition but is more or less the same product.
Simon
On 30 Oct 2007, at 03:50, Cheong Hee (Datasonic) wrote:
Some may not aware that MYSQL is
Thanks for pointing out. I overlooked this as costing for commercial is always
part of concerns.
To share a bit, these are some info I am able to dig out from MySQL support
team email:
One commercial license is required for each server.
For MySQL Classic, each commercial license cost US$395
Op 28 okt 2007, om 20:23 heeft Mike Schrag het volgende geschreven:
There are lots of other ways to address many of the steps I list
here, and Apple now recommends that you use the jar versions of
their frameworks instead of the .framework versions which I use, but
I didn't want to rock
Actually, I proposed an idea to FrontBase a while back, but totally
forgot to revisit this once they open sourced the plugin. The method
you want to look at is in the plugin:
public NSArray newPrimaryKeys(int i, EOEntity eoentity, JDBCChannel
jdbcchannel) {
Notice it takes an int?
When we spoke with MySQL a while back, I believe that you only have to
pay the licensing fee if you BUNDLE mysql with your product. That is,
if you ship a product and mysql is inside of it, then you pay. If you
install MySQL separately, then you don't. I even specifically asked
them
New licensing al-
lows for free deployment of WebObjects applications.
I missed this completely ... That's pretty huge, and definitely worth
looking more into. Apologies to OpenBase!
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I just want to thank you guys for EOGenerator. That tool made a huge
percentage of the WebObjects development community's lives
substantially easier. As I mentioned in my private email, it's a
testament to how great your apps were that I believe the #1 reason
WebObjects people can't move
Simplifysimplifysimplify ... You're biting off too much at once.
Remove all that virtual host junk and get everything back to a default
state. Once you get the simple case working with just stock httpd
settings, etc, THEN move up to adding fancy stuff w/ virtual hosts.
Someone else
Hi!
Well, yeah! :) I'm using a virtual host, and, on leopard, the only
way I could do it was setting the machine hostname to the same as the
virtual host. So, if your virtual host is something like myApp.mac,
do a sudo hostname -s myApp.mac. It started working after that. Of
course, if
We use components to dynamically create chunks of JavaScript. These chunks
are in comments. In 5.4 will these components be evaluated?
I would send an example but the spam filters stopped the email.
Jeffrey Simpson
Youth For Understanding USA
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Telephone: (240) 235-2114
FAX:
On Oct 30, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I just want to thank you guys for EOGenerator.
+10
That tool made a huge percentage of the WebObjects development
community's lives substantially easier.
+10
As I mentioned in my private email, it's a testament to how great
your apps
2007/10/30, Ken Foust [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Yes it is the passing of the tools and the ease of getting everything
to work and coupled with the integration that really hurts the
novice. One thing I fail to understand is, If Apple is going to kill
these tools why not just pass them on to the WO
Same here no Leopard until something is available to replace
EOGenerator! Thanks!
On Oct 30, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I just want to thank you guys for EOGenerator. That tool made a
huge percentage of the WebObjects development community's lives
substantially easier. As
Yes it is the passing of the tools and the ease of getting everything
to work and coupled with the integration that really hurts the
novice. One thing I fail to understand is, If Apple is going to kill
these tools why not just pass them on to the WO community here and let
you people
We use FrontBase for an application that does mostly large, complex queries
(aggregating data, etc). A few things about FrontBase have bothered me and
made me consider switching to Postgres:
- The database process crashes sometimes due to various queries that it
doesn't like
- Left join
On 29.10.2007, at 19:52, Mike Schrag wrote:
in FB, you might want to take a look at:
OPTIMIZE DATABASE;
OPTIMIZE DISK ZONE disk zone name | DEFAULT;
(see Page 115 of the FB User Guide for more info) ... Maybe will help?
As far as I understood Geert, this will not reclaim space on disk.
It is just my own experience of course, but I have found that by
getting my hands dirty
with raw html and css and trying to comply with web standards and
approaches that make
my pages more accessible to those with disabilities (and others),
the result has been very rewarding. Once you
I am wondering what people think about these (very random) ideas.
I have to admit I have not jumped onto using a Leopard system yet.
For one thing, I have midterms, and for another, I am tempted to wait
until I can get hardware with Leopard on it (which I probably cannot
yet) and get a
What Mike said. EOGenerator has been a vital part of our development
process for many years now. I never understood why more people did
not use dbEdit. I shall miss that.
Chuck
On Oct 30, 2007, at 5:43 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I just want to thank you guys for EOGenerator. That tool
On Oct 30, 2007, at 6:59 AM, Ken Foust wrote:
Yes it is the passing of the tools and the ease of getting
everything to work and coupled with the integration that really
hurts the novice. One thing I fail to understand is, If Apple is
going to kill these tools why not just pass them on
On Oct 30, 2007, at 7:31 AM, John Huss wrote:
We use FrontBase for an application that does mostly large, complex
queries (aggregating data, etc). A few things about FrontBase have
bothered me and made me consider switching to Postgres:
- The database process crashes sometimes due to
Ok, how much is really needed to port eogenerator to leopard?
Is AJRDatabase (http://www.raftis.net/~alex/source.html) old as it
may be suitable for the task at hand?
Also, has anyone considered a CoreData model for an EOModel and then
simply write an import/export plugin (possibly using a
On Oct 30, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Jason Jobe wrote:
Ok, how much is really needed to port eogenerator to leopard?
Is AJRDatabase (http://www.raftis.net/~alex/source.html) old as it
may be suitable for the task at hand?
Also, has anyone considered a CoreData model for an EOModel and
then
On 30.10.2007, at 11:01, Chuck Hill wrote:
- OR performance is bad
Yes, something odd is going on there.
If you stay inside one column with your or its using an index, if
you use two different columns in an or, it won't. E.g.:
select * from foo where a = 'bar' or a = 'bas';
will use an
Ray,
suggestion: embed=true for all frameworks solved much of this multi-
version garbage in deployment in the past ... probably easiest route
since WOLips ant tasks have easy embed flags
catcall/insult: switch to Eclipse you scardey cat! :-p
jibe: cannot believe you still use XCode :)
On 30.10.2007, at 11:22, Jason Jobe wrote:
Ok, how much is really needed to port eogenerator to leopard?
For now, until a new solution arrives, you can just copy the needed
Frameworks to you /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks and /System/
Library/Frameworks folders.
I moved the following
For example, the FrontBase mail list archive has this message:
Subject: [RESOLVED] Re: Optimization/Caching/Indexing how-to
The order of the columns in the composite index definition is very important
for your case.
If you want the optimal performance, you need to put the timestamp column
last
Yes it is the passing of the tools and the ease of getting
everything to work and coupled with the integration that really
hurts the novice. One thing I fail to understand is, If Apple is
going to kill these tools why not just pass them on to the WO
community here and let you people
But to be fair: if you run into that kind of problem, the guys at
FrontBase really want to help you and normally they find a way
quickly.
Agreed ... FrontBase support is great.
ms
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On 31/10/2007, at 5:04 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
suggestion: embed=true for all frameworks solved much of this
multi-version garbage in deployment in the past ... probably
easiest route since WOLips ant tasks have easy embed flags
The thing I /do not/ like about embedding of WO supplied
* Chuck Hill [2007/10/29 01:31 PM -0700] wrote:
It is easy to install and administer and has pretty tools. But it is
not free, not SQL92 standard, and doesn't have (last time I used it)
multiple column indexes.
One choice that hasn't been mentioned, and is perhaps worth exploring
given the
On 30-Oct-07, at 12:51 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
What Mike said. EOGenerator has been a vital part of our
development process for many years now. I never understood why more
people did not use dbEdit. I shall miss that.
Chuck
On Oct 30, 2007, at 5:43 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I just want
Yes it is the passing of the tools and the ease of getting
everything to work and coupled with the integration that really
hurts the novice. One thing I fail to understand is, If Apple is
going to kill these tools why not just pass them on to the WO
community here and let you people
Hello Jason;
Although far from the generator most folk are using, I have written a
wee ant task to do a basic generation which is akin to what
EOModeller used to produce. It's in my lejstuff project which you
can download off my website if you are interested -- you are very
welcome to
If you're going to use MySQL with WebObjects in a production
environment, make sure to do the following:
- create all your tables with InnoDB engine support - the default
MyISAM support is non-transactional
- make sure to create all your tables with the right charset and
collation
There have been many mails on WO passing. First of all it didn't until
now, and it won't for some time (at least that is what I think). But
anyway. With the introduction of Webobject 5.4 and Leopard we've seen
two things:
1. Java isn't top priority anymore (look at Java 6 not being
On 31/10/2007, at 7:55 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
On Oct 30, 2007, at 3:42 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote:
On 31/10/2007, at 5:04 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
suggestion: embed=true for all frameworks solved much of this
multi-version garbage in deployment in the past ... probably
easiest route
There have been many mails on WO passing. First of all it didn't
until now, and it won't for some time (at least that is what I
think). But anyway. With the introduction of Webobject 5.4 and
Leopard we've seen two things:
1. Java isn't top priority anymore (look at Java 6 not being
If I understand what they are saying / what the situation is, then
that seems like a reasonable limitation on using indexes for
optimization.
Chuck
On Oct 30, 2007, at 11:42 AM, John Huss wrote:
For example, the FrontBase mail list archive has this message:
Subject: [RESOLVED] Re:
And by the way, the move from Xcode + WOB + EOM to Eclipse + WOLips +
EM is really no different than Apple's move from the old iMovie to
iMovie 08. The big point of contention is that it's neither a clear
upward or downward move. In some ways it's substantially better, in
some ways it's
On Oct 30, 2007, at 3:42 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote:
On 31/10/2007, at 5:04 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
suggestion: embed=true for all frameworks solved much of this
multi-version garbage in deployment in the past ... probably
easiest route since WOLips ant tasks have easy embed flags
The
OK, just to be simple I've removed virtual hosts, without change.
I've tried all sorts of HostName combinations, but I believe that is a
red herring.
I believe that the real problem is that wotaskd is not listening on
port 1085. I can't connect to it with a browser, and although ps tells
On Oct 30, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Thomas wrote:
OK, just to be simple I've removed virtual hosts, without change.
I've tried all sorts of HostName combinations, but I believe that
is a red herring.
I believe that the real problem is that wotaskd is not listening on
port 1085. I can't connect
WebObjects
OpenBase 10 includes a new plugin and WO qualifier objects, allowing
you to easily
perform complex sub-queries inside your WebObjects applications.
Schema synchroni-
zation functions allow users to easily manage WebObjects schemas.
New licensing al-
lows for free deployment of
Is OB 10 free for any of the versions for WO deployment, or is this
license only for specific versions (like the Solo version or
something)?
Our mail server is being super slow, btw ... So I'm not just retarded
and asking already-answered questions 15 minutes later :)
ms
I think your problem with using double-quoted name attributes inside of
double-quotes in JS. If you want to solve that, use single-quotes for your
JS string. I have had trouble with using a webobject ... / tag in JS,
though. I instead use webobject ... /webobject
Charles Koppelman
On 10/30/07
WebObjects is just Java. This will 100% work but will be completely
unsupported (but then, what is supported really?). I've been
running w/ that for a while.
ms
On Oct 30, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Galen Rhodes wrote:
Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried putting WO54 frameworks on
Tiger
On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:31 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
And by the way, the move from Xcode + WOB + EOM to Eclipse + WOLips +
EM is really no different than Apple's move from the old iMovie to
iMovie 08. The big point of contention is that it's neither a clear
upward or downward move. In some ways
OK Leopard EOGenerator waiters ...
After much legal gnashing of teeth, and some poking and prodding,
Apple has agreed to release JavaEOGenerator. This is 100% work done
by Apple. I'm just releasing it on mDimension build server while they
get their ducks in a row on their own proper
On 31/10/2007, at 8:24 AM, Galen Rhodes wrote:
Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried putting WO54 frameworks on
Tiger Server? I'm sure some of you might see where I'm heading
with this?
I have 5.4 working on FreeBSD, so Tiger should be able to run it
without issue, but it will to be
On 29/10/2007, at 9:30 PM, Paul Lynch wrote:
I am very much a WO novice, just working my way through Ruzek's WO
web application construction kit.
WOWACK is a little old now, being WO 4.5; but I still like it the
best of the entry level books.
Yes, it still seems to be usable. Well, it
What about the Apache 2 adaptor. Has anyone tried that outside of
Leopard?
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does not want merely because you think it would be good for him.
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On Oct 30, 2007, at 6:56
There's been an Apache2 adaptor in Wonder for quite a while,
actually. I haven't specifically tried to build the 5.4 one on
anything else, but I don't know why it would use any OS X-specific code.
ms
On Oct 30, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Galen Rhodes wrote:
What about the Apache 2 adaptor. Has
i don't think it's your mail server mike - i've also been getting
jumbled up messages from the wo-dev list for the past day or so...
simon
On 30 Oct 2007, at 22:12, Mike Schrag wrote:
Is OB 10 free for any of the versions for WO deployment, or is
this license only for specific versions
On Oct 30, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Thomas wrote:
I guess I'll just give up on Leopard development for now, and use an
older 10.4 machine to do development. Direct connect is not an
option, because my apps use mod-rewrite and readable URLs for most
links.
For what it's worth, I've had no
What I would love to see is a simple download and install package
for WO developers.
The biggest issue with this is that someone has to host the extra 100+
meg installer for a bunch of leeches to download :) But anyone could
technically make a preinstalled bundle.
For example, the
Chuck, you're a genius.
sudo lsof -i tcp:1085
- tells me that wotaskd is listening on the reverse DNS entry for
this machine. So when I use that host name in the browser, wotaskd
delivers its page. No, it's not password protected. But I didn't
realise that wotaskd refuses to respond to
On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Thomas wrote:
Chuck, you're a genius.
Yeah, I know. :-P
sudo lsof -i tcp:1085
- tells me that wotaskd is listening on the reverse DNS entry for
this machine.
I was wondering about that when you mentioned something about the DNS
not matching. I was
I was wondering about that when you mentioned something about the
DNS not matching. I was hoping this was fixed in WO 5.4. WO is
very sensitive to problems in this area. I suspect, but don't know,
that different developers used different methods of resolving things
at different places
On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:50 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I was wondering about that when you mentioned something about the
DNS not matching. I was hoping this was fixed in WO 5.4. WO is
very sensitive to problems in this area. I suspect, but don't
know, that different developers used different
Art,
it looks like our emails crossed. Leopard has had a last-minute
reprieve.
I'm glad your journey was less painful than mine. 8^|
Yes, I was launching wotaskd as per the initial email in this thread.
I'm not using JavaMonitor on this development machine.
And for the next exciting
On Oct 30, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
Other than the template format changing, this should be a 100% drop-
in replacement of the original EOGenerator.
A big advantage of EOGenerator was Objective-C. This allowed the
EOGenerator developers to define NSString categories that
What I would love to see is a simple download and install package
for WO developers.
For example, the recommended Eclipse 3.3.1 and stable WOLips for WO5.4
development.
Not sure if it's possible but that would be nice.
And maybe bundle a README file with links pointing users to places
pages
On 31/10/2007, at 10:50 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
wotaskd and monitor are now open sourced in Leopard.
Now THAT is good news!
(Finally, some work can be done on JM for one to give it a more
efficient interface)
Believe me, these transgressions will be rectified.
All good...
with
I'm not sure what Mike did for his.
OK, I committed a fix to the FrontBasePlugin that adds batch key
generation ... Right now it just does batches of 10, but it can be
tweaked pretty easily. I'm using the syntax of:
values (select unique from YourTable, select unique from YourTable,
Hi Chuck,
I'm looking over your FBIntegerPrimaryKeyGenerator and
IntegerPrimaryKeyGenerator classes from GVCFrameworks and was just
wondering if my understanding of it is correct. Basiaclly you will
have to make a new instance of the FBIntegerPrimaryKeyGenerator at
some point and then
On 31/10/2007, at 3:30 AM, Ray Kiddy wrote:
I am sure I will come up with other ideas, some even more useless
than some of these, when I actually have a Leopard system. We'll
see. I am open to suggestions, question, jibes, innuendoes,
catcalls, or anything short of insults. No, insults are
Hi Mike,
The solo license is for single server local-access. It should work
with any version of WO, not sure about 5.4 yet.
http://www.openbase.com/home-News-detail.1060.html
Gordon
On 30-Oct-07, at 5:42 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
WebObjects
OpenBase 10 includes a new plugin and WO qualifier
Update to eogenerator beta2 and the new templates ...
On Oct 30, 2007, at 11:06 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
Working on a sample Eclipse 3.3.1.1/WOLips installer..especially
for some default settings, included files, etc.
Included components this far:
Eclipse 3.3.1.1
WOLips (nightly build
On Oct 30, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Owen McKerrow wrote:
Hi Chuck,
I'm looking over your FBIntegerPrimaryKeyGenerator and
IntegerPrimaryKeyGenerator classes from GVCFrameworks and was just
wondering if my understanding of it is correct. Basiaclly you will
have to make a new instance of the
Working on a sample Eclipse 3.3.1.1/WOLips installer..especially
for some default settings, included files, etc.
Included components this far:
Eclipse 3.3.1.1
WOLips (nightly build X)
Saved Eclipse Update Manager prefs for nightly WOLips builds
(Beta) EOGenerator/templates from Apple (per
On Oct 30, 2007, at 8:06 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
Working on a sample Eclipse 3.3.1.1/WOLips
installer..especially for some default settings, included
files, etc.
Included components this far:
Eclipse 3.3.1.1
WOLips (nightly build X)
Saved Eclipse Update Manager prefs for nightly
It's not directly required, but it would be nice to have Jad and Jadclipse
included if it's all legal and everything. And mdimension has an update
site for Jadclipse that could be set up in the Update Manager.
Maybe this is going to far though.
John
On 10/30/07, Jeremy Matthews [EMAIL
Looks like it's already been updated!
The link appears to be http://webobjects.mdimension.com/wolips/
EOGenerator/JavaEOGenerator-beta2.tar.gz
Thanks Mike, I was toying around with cleaning up something we'd
written internally, this is probably much nicer.
--
Sam Barnum
360 Works
Thank Pierre ... I just packaged it (and patched it :) ).
ms
On Oct 30, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Sam Barnum wrote:
Looks like it's already been updated!
The link appears to be http://webobjects.mdimension.com/wolips/EOGenerator/JavaEOGenerator-beta2.tar.gz
Thanks Mike, I was toying around with
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:16:52 -0400
From: Mike Schrag [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
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What I would love to see
On Oct 30, 2007, at 10:38 PM, Gordon Belray wrote:
The solo license is for single server local-access. It should work
with any version of WO, not sure about 5.4 yet.
It worked fine for me with WO 5.4.
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Please send any ideas/feedback my waythis is really designed for
newbies, but any suggestions are welcome.
Maybe a README file or something that points to Mike Schrag's tutorials.
:-)
On 31/10/2007, at 3:19 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
What I would love to see is a simple download and install package
for WO developers.
The biggest issue with this is that someone has to host the extra 100+
meg installer for a bunch of leeches to download :) But anyone could
technically make a
On 31/10/2007, at 2:37 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
Thank Pierre ... I just packaged it (and patched it :) ).
ROTFL. ~17Mb download and (for some) Main.woa will keep 'em
guessing... h1Hello There/h1 :-)
Perhaps beta3 will show them:
h1Hello There/h1pLooking for something?/p
Just wait for
Hi Jason,
We are actually looking at AJR. I've managed to compile it into EOGenerator
but it's naturally missing information about Java, and we're having some
Key-Value coding issues it seems so we are a fair decent ways away from
actually making a template work. And probably the biggest issue
What I would love to see is a simple download and install package
for WO developers.
The biggest issue with this is that someone has to host the extra 100+
meg installer for a bunch of leeches to download :) But anyone could
technically make a preinstalled bundle.
Leeches?
Well pal you
Wow ... Just ... wow.
Now I'm just grumpy. I'm off to watch The Daily Show ...
ms
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Hi there,
I'm looking at the examples in /Developer/Examples/JavaWebObjects that
come with WO 5.4.
I'm in search of an example that uses the new component format. Has
anybody seen one that uses the new format, e.g.
wo:WOString name=AppName value=[application.name] /
Thanks,
Ricardo
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