Re: Why the web is a mess

2012-03-20 Thread Ian Joyner
. Thanks! James On Mar 18, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: This may be off topic, but it is really on topic. If you have not caught up with this video series by Crockford on Javascript, it is well worth watching: http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/crockford

Why the web is a mess

2012-03-18 Thread Ian Joyner
This may be off topic, but it is really on topic. If you have not caught up with this video series by Crockford on Javascript, it is well worth watching: http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/crockford-on-javascript-the-complete-series/ which is about far more than just Javascript.

Re: New WebObjects Site released.

2011-09-02 Thread Ian Joyner
Hey, I'm treasurer of Yesfanz: http://www.yesfanz.com/ On another note, we tell students about EOF as the ultimate ORM system, alongside Active Record as a simpler example, but there seems now so little appropriate information on the web and all of Apple's is stamped Legacy Document. In fact

Re: NoSQL (was: MySQL 5.5 goes GA Release)

2010-12-16 Thread Ian Joyner
Anyone doing NoSQL DBs? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoSQL http://nosql-database.org/ My worry is it's just the OODB people coming back putting 'evil uncle' hierarchies and networks back into DBMSs. But Cassandra seems to be doing good work (well that's a matter of debate) at Facebook. And we

Re: OT: Which computing language is fastest?

2010-12-09 Thread Ian Joyner
Not only way off topic, but meaningless as well. May as well have posted a link to a porn site. There are still those who try to justify C/C++ because they are the fastest. Ruby and Python are trying to do much different things and are just scripts to organize the overall task. They aren't

Re: WebObjects scalability question - WOSession?

2010-11-16 Thread Ian Joyner
. Mail find picks up all words like restart, restrict, etc. ERRest seems to be first mentioned Nov 2007, but I know we were talking about REST before that - I first read Fielding's thesis sometime that year. On 16 Nov 2010, at 12:33, Ian Joyner wrote: On 16 Nov 2010, at 12:23, Chuck Hill wrote

Re: WebObjects scalability question - WOSession?

2010-11-16 Thread Ian Joyner
, at 8:50 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: I agree with this too. Problem or fixed complexity must be dealt with somewhere in the system, and arguments often abound as to where that should be done (almost always without people recognizing that fact). I wrote on that recently too: http

Re: WebObjects scalability question - WOSession?

2010-11-16 Thread Ian Joyner
in the same way. The problem is that you can't just make a suck ratio, because everyone has different values for suck coefficients. You could probably make a suck linear combination, though. ms On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:26 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: Now that I think of it, I'm not so sure I do agree

Re: WebObjects scalability question - WOSession?

2010-11-16 Thread Ian Joyner
, to suggest some alternate avenues of exploration toward the design of new kinds of languages. On 17 Nov 2010, at 09:35, Ian Joyner wrote: On 17 Nov 2010, at 06:49, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 2010-11-16 à 14:42, Antonio Petri a écrit : Of course, the sad reality is that our industry loves

Re: WebObjects scalability question - WOSession?

2010-11-16 Thread Ian Joyner
On 17 Nov 2010, at 11:43, Chuck Hill wrote: On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:43 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: One student in his experience report mentioned that professional programmers should spend extra time on making their stuff usable and easily installable if they are going to expect people to use

Re: WebObjects scalability question - WOSession?

2010-11-16 Thread Ian Joyner
-11-16 à 20:55, Chuck Hill a écrit : On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: On 17 Nov 2010, at 11:43, Chuck Hill wrote: On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:43 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: One student in his experience report mentioned that professional programmers should spend extra time on making

Re: WebObjects scalability question - WOSession?

2010-11-15 Thread Ian Joyner
(Not that I'm doing any WO these days, but I still like to follow.) One thing that has always worried me about scalability is keeping the per user application state on the server in WOSession. Knowing more about REST now, this is very unrestful and not stateless, which means will not scale.

Re: WebObjects scalability question - WOSession?

2010-11-15 Thread Ian Joyner
On 16 Nov 2010, at 11:35, David LeBer wrote: On 2010-11-15, at 7:09 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: (Not that I'm doing any WO these days, but I still like to follow.) One thing that has always worried me about scalability is keeping the per user application state on the server in WOSession

Re: WebObjects scalability question - WOSession?

2010-11-15 Thread Ian Joyner
On 16 Nov 2010, at 12:02, Chuck Hill wrote: On Nov 15, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: On 16 Nov 2010, at 11:35, David LeBer wrote: On 2010-11-15, at 7:09 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: (Not that I'm doing any WO these days, but I still like to follow.) One thing that has always

Re: WebObjects scalability question - WOSession?

2010-11-15 Thread Ian Joyner
On 16 Nov 2010, at 12:23, Chuck Hill wrote: On Nov 15, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: The moral of the story is that every technology sucks, so you might as well just build it fast so it can suck in production faster and you can move on with your life. I hate it when he is right.

Re: WebObjects scalability question - WOSession?

2010-11-15 Thread Ian Joyner
. The moral of the story is that every technology sucks, so you might as well just build it fast so it can suck in production faster and you can move on with your life. ms On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Nov 15, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: On 16 Nov 2010

Re: WebObjects scalability question - WOSession?

2010-11-15 Thread Ian Joyner
changed in 30 years in terms of how we actually solve problems. ms On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: I agree with this too. Problem or fixed complexity must be dealt with somewhere in the system, and arguments often abound as to where that should be done (almost always without

Re: WebObjects scalability question - WOSession?

2010-11-15 Thread Ian Joyner
On 16 Nov 2010, at 14:40, Chuck Hill wrote: On Nov 15, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: On 16 Nov 2010, at 12:02, Chuck Hill wrote: On Nov 15, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: On 16 Nov 2010, at 11:35, David LeBer wrote: On 2010-11-15, at 7:09 PM, Ian Joyner wrote

Re: WebObjects scalability question - WOSession?

2010-11-15 Thread Ian Joyner
On 16 Nov 2010, at 14:52, Chuck Hill wrote: On Nov 15, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: That's a good distinction about quickly. Seems most get a kick from the first learning of something to get it quickly happening. Hence lowest-common-denominator languages like BASIC become popular

Re: OS X Java Deprecation JVM Source Code

2010-10-25 Thread Ian Joyner
Interesting take from Matt. A few things concern me. 1) He says Executive quips always make headlines. Surely, what executives say should be based on what their technical people have told them and be well thought out. That is the mark of an agile environment where technical people are treated

Re: OS X Java Deprecation JVM Source Code

2010-10-23 Thread Ian Joyner
On 23 Oct 2010, at 01:07, Joel M. Benisch wrote: MacApp is still in use by some, and it goes back to Object Pascal days (late 1980s?). Wow, still around. C and C++ have been around for how long? And they are the horrors of all horrors. Strange how the worst technologies have the longest

Re: Cleanup in the WO space on the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread Ian Joyner
Glad to see these pages are being improved. We have been covering ORMs with our students this week and EOF is our reference model. But it is a bit difficult to talk about EOF without giving the feeling of out-of-date stuff. Having seen Pascal's post the other day, I thought of these wiki pages,

Re: [OT] Spaces inside parenthesis

2009-02-04 Thread Ian Joyner
:08 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: Ian, Ian ... it's these threads that await you ;-) On 04/02/2009, at 12:42 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: On 04/02/2009, at 2:01 AM, Miguel Arroz wrote: object.method( argument ); This is the worst use of white space, as explained on this page on the correct use

Re: [OT] Spaces inside parenthesis

2009-02-04 Thread Ian Joyner
Hi Miguel, On 05/02/2009, at 11:54 AM, Miguel Arroz wrote: Hi! On 2009/02/05, at 00:44, Ian Joyner wrote: Modern programming languages should both be like natural language (easy to read) and have formalized grammars (BNF, denotational semantics, etc, etc). Alas most languages in use today

Re: [OT] Spaces inside parenthesis

2009-02-03 Thread Ian Joyner
On 04/02/2009, at 2:01 AM, Miguel Arroz wrote: Hi! Sorry about the off-topic, but Eclipse is driving me nuts with this. I like to leave a space before and after everything between parenthesis, like: object.method( argument ); This is the worst use of white space, as explained on this

Re: ajax and webobjects

2008-08-10 Thread Ian Joyner
On 11/08/2008, at 2:17 AM, Miguel Arroz wrote: Hi! Clearly. This part But then iTunes uses WebObjects (which I believe is old school Java-based) and MobileMe uses SproutCore (which is all dressed up in Ajax-y 2.0 objectivity) clearly shows the author has no idea of what he's talking

Re: generics fun

2008-07-21 Thread Ian Joyner
On 22/07/2008, at 7:19 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote: On 21.07.2008, at 15:13, Lachlan Deck wrote: one of the things that frustrates me about generics is working with collections. Just that one? Generics are the worst thing since Windows 3.11 ... I try to keep my code clean and add generics

Re: Educate me on generics please...

2008-02-07 Thread Ian Joyner
On 07/02/2008, at 3:41 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Feb 6, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: On 07/02/2008, at 7:37 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: From Art: http://weblogs.java.net/blog/arnold/archive/2005/06/generics_consid_1.html Hey, I used to work with David Holmes, many a happy hour spent

Re: Educate me on generics please...

2008-02-06 Thread Ian Joyner
On 07/02/2008, at 9:20 AM, James Cicenia wrote: Hmmm, And to think I learned that method of qualifier creation from either a book or Apples own docs years ago. But mixing the objects in the List was confusing me, which is what Johann said about just using Object That's probably why

Re: Educate me on generics please...

2008-02-06 Thread Ian Joyner
On 07/02/2008, at 7:37 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Feb 6, 2008, at 12:33 PM, James Cicenia wrote: Well I have decided to to start going to 1.5 now. this is something I do all the time: NSMutableArray args2 = new NSMutableArray(); args2.addObject(portfolio);

Re: WOImageButton id

2008-01-22 Thread Ian Joyner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jan 21, 2008, at 21:00, Ian Joyner wrote: What I am trying to do is have a button show a pressed form when clicked, and an unpressed form when a user moves the mouse out. I'm trying to do this by swapping the image 'src' attribute in JavaScript. However, to get

Re: WOLips: 80 character width gutter?

2008-01-22 Thread Ian Joyner
On 23/01/2008, at 6:27 AM, David Holt wrote: Eclipsepreferencesjavacode styleformat hit the Edit... button and go to the line wrapping tab... Thanks David, but that's not what I want (I think). Maybe it is buried under Eclipse's complexity. Playing with these settings made no difference

Re: WOLips: 80 character width gutter?

2008-01-22 Thread Ian Joyner
I think you want Edit/Refactor/Format, assuming you have the component open in Mike's component editor - it's beautiful! Ian On 23/01/2008, at 5:34 AM, Thomas wrote: Is there any way to make Eclipse wrap the text instead of disappearing off the right hand side? I have thousands of

Re: WOLips: 80 character width gutter?

2008-01-22 Thread Ian Joyner
it into 3.3, but I don't remember seeing it. Just did another search and I can't find it in 3.3.2 either. Thanks for the info. So that's 5673 to Eclipse and 1 to Xcode! Maybe Alice Cooper will play some Rick Wakeman on PlanetRock. Ian On Jan 22, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Ian Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED

WOImageButton id

2008-01-21 Thread Ian Joyner
What I am trying to do is have a button show a pressed form when clicked, and an unpressed form when a user moves the mouse out. I'm trying to do this by swapping the image 'src' attribute in JavaScript. However, to get the input field which is generated by the WOImageButton, I'm using

Re: Writing a beginners tutorial, some D2W questions on Webassistant and ERAtachment

2008-01-20 Thread Ian Joyner
On 21/01/2008, at 8:11 AM, Anjo Krank wrote: Am 20.01.2008 um 22:02 schrieb Lachlan Deck: Well I suppose it's about time I took a serious look at D2*, so what do you suggest is the best path? Glad you asked :) You can either pay me for my D2W course or you can go to amazon and grab the

Re: Writing a beginners tutorial, some D2W questions on Webassistant and ERAtachment

2008-01-20 Thread Ian Joyner
On 21/01/2008, at 8:55 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Jan 20, 2008, at 1:39 PM, David LeBer wrote: On 20-Jan-08, at 4:35 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Jan 20, 2008, at 12:24 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: If someone needs more help than is available via a tutorial, that's what a mailing list is for. Then

Re: Wosid suppression broken in 5.4?

2007-12-20 Thread Ian Joyner
Wow, I sure touched off some fiery debate here – sorry guys. If I can summarize the two main points: 1) WO 5.4 acts differently to 5.3 by adding a ?wosid=... part on the end of a URL. That is bad and will cause all sorts of compatibility problems and existing systems to break. 2) It

Re: Wosid suppression broken in 5.4?

2007-12-18 Thread Ian Joyner
; Pierre -- Pierre Frisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 18, 2007, at 10:59, Edgar Klein wrote: Hi, On 16-Dec-07, at 10:47 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: I have this little bit of code to invoke a direct action to download a file: public String download_link () { return context

Re: Wosid suppression broken in 5.4?

2007-12-17 Thread Ian Joyner
Ian On 18/12/2007, at 4:35 AM, Susanne Schneider wrote: Hi Ian, From: Ian Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, I think this is not the problem – printing out the result from this function shows no ?wosid on the end: Video_library (Video_library.java:download_link:1184) - result is / cgi- bin

Wosid suppression broken in 5.4?

2007-12-16 Thread Ian Joyner
I have this little bit of code to invoke a direct action to download a file: public String download_link () { return context ().directActionURLForActionNamed (download_video, new NSDictionary String, Object (

Re: Java tools: Design by Contract, 12 tools little time...

2007-12-10 Thread Ian Joyner
I'd try this question on a Java group. (Or use the real thing, Eiffel, if you want contracts properly integrated with a real OO language!) Ian On 11/12/2007, at 1:27 PM, Mr. G Brown wrote: The wikipedia lists 12 DBC tools for Java: Java, using 1- iContract2, 2-Contract4J, 3-jContractor,

Re: Say Hello with 2 Problems^^

2007-11-18 Thread Ian Joyner
/ Computers and other electronic devices not allowed. We may allow Ian Joyner to reminisce about Eiffel over a few glasses of wine in the evening. Sounds like a great deal. Great countryside, great wine, great bunch of people. Close to everywhere else in Europe, go to the UK in summer, back

Re: Migrate from WO5.2 to Eclipse

2007-11-15 Thread Ian Joyner
us to this point. Ian On 15/11/2007, at 3:28 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: I have to very much agree with what Robert says below. This year has been incredibly frustrating (apart from meeting Chuck and a whole lot of you other great people at WWDC) and part of it is the movement in the WO space

Re: OT: Exactly How Popular is WO?

2007-11-14 Thread Ian Joyner
I'm not really sure what they are measuring (is there an explanation page), percentages or absolutes, interest or actual sales, compared to what, etc? Ian On 15/11/2007, at 9:17 AM, Joe Moreno wrote: It looks like WWDC 2005 put a little zip into WebObjects:

Re: Migrate from WO5.2 to Eclipse

2007-11-14 Thread Ian Joyner
I have to very much agree with what Robert says below. This year has been incredibly frustrating (apart from meeting Chuck and a whole lot of you other great people at WWDC) and part of it is the movement in the WO space. OK, we had a large JC project which we now have someone doing it in

Re: Migrate from WO5.2 to Eclipse

2007-11-14 Thread Ian Joyner
On 15/11/2007, at 3:50 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: A bit OT... On 15/11/2007, at 3:28 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: Then I looked at Ruby on Rails. I have to agree with Robert that this is one elegant beast and is fun (whereas the more I look at J EE, the more I am filled with dread

Re: Slogan

2007-11-07 Thread Ian Joyner
Not much going on on wo-talk, so I may as well put these suggestions here (WO is actually quite a difficult thing to come up with a sound bite for). I think we should be more directly saying what WO does in as few words as possible. So what I can think of is: WebObjects: Your Enterprise on

Re: Slogan

2007-11-06 Thread Ian Joyner
On 07/11/2007, at 9:45 AM, Thomas wrote: Give Quentin a break. He's a Queenslander. English is not his native tongue. 8^) And just so the rest of the list understands that this was a traditional good-humoured Australian insult, I was born in Brisbane, the capital of Queensland, the most

Re: Slogan

2007-11-06 Thread Ian Joyner
On 07/11/2007, at 2:00 PM, Q wrote: On 07/11/2007, at 12:33 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: BTW, to continue the improvement in the grammar of the sentence: If you're not using WebObjects, you're doing things the hard way. Shouldn't that be If you'se ain't usin WebObjects, yous're doin thins

Re: coexisting installs of WO 5.3/5.4 on Tiger/Leopard?

2007-10-30 Thread Ian Joyner
On 31/10/2007, at 3:30 AM, Ray Kiddy wrote: I am sure I will come up with other ideas, some even more useless than some of these, when I actually have a Leopard system. We'll see. I am open to suggestions, question, jibes, innuendoes, catcalls, or anything short of insults. No, insults are

Re: A final note

2007-10-29 Thread Ian Joyner
On 30/10/2007, at 12:27 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: Hi there, On 30/10/2007, at 11:34 AM, Ken Foust wrote: To this Great Community: For seasoned developers the passing of WO is not a big deal. Passing? 5.4 just came out. However for novice and part timers it is like a tragedy. There

Re: Please Opensource WebObjects

2007-10-03 Thread Ian Joyner
Did I miss something? Is .net open source? As for Stephane's comment and IBM is everywhere with WebSphere, there's a lot of lobbying inside to kill WO that has always been the case with IBM and now Microsoft lobbyists - the problem is that those technologies need a lot more people to make

Re: WO(Re)petition

2007-10-03 Thread Ian Joyner
for eating. Le 3 oct. 07 à 02:51, Ian Joyner a écrit : I agree – calling for open source is not thinking different, it's thinking the same. This industry is too full of popular solutions that don't really address the real problem. I think that's what Steve means when he says think different

Re: WO(Re)petition

2007-10-02 Thread Ian Joyner
I agree – calling for open source is not thinking different, it's thinking the same. This industry is too full of popular solutions that don't really address the real problem. I think that's what Steve means when he says think different, address the problem and the need. I don't think open

Re: I have a dream :-)

2007-10-01 Thread Ian Joyner
You don't need open source if a closed-source library is sufficiently documented. One of the reasons for the popularity of open source is that the open-source proponents don't want to provide documentation, just give you the source and say you go work it out. Of course there are other very

Re: Beginnerquestion about if (personName==null || personName.equals())

2007-09-09 Thread Ian Joyner
Bertrand Meyer (the originator of DbC, and properties I believe, as in an NDA feature I can't talk about) has studied and written about nulls (or Voids as he calls them): http://se.ethz.ch/~meyer/publications/joop/void.pdf Ian On 09/09/2007, at 3:11 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Sep 8, 2007,

Re: Beginnerquestion about if (personName==null || personName.equals())

2007-09-09 Thread Ian Joyner
On 07/09/2007, at 7:44 PM, Rainer User wrote: Hi Folks, i am new at the webobjects-dev maillist and new to webobjects too. I am reading the white printed book Webobjects 5, Web Applications, from Apple, it was included in the Webobjects Package of my Webobject-Box. On Page 84 i found an

Building 5.4 examples

2007-07-24 Thread Ian Joyner
We probably can't discuss this publically, being under NDA, but I can't get the examples under 5.4 to build. I'm following the instructions in the Examples/JavaWebObjects/GettingStarted.rtf. I can install the databases fine. However, the ant does not work because there is no build.xml file

Re: Deployment: ERExtensions initialized or not

2007-07-17 Thread Ian Joyner
I had exactly this problem last week: http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WONDER/Troubleshooting It looks in your case that you might have initialized you frontbase framework before Wonder. Ian On 17/07/2007, at 8:23 PM, Edgar Klein wrote: Hi, as I posted last time, I moved a

Re: [OT] Good Article on API Design

2007-07-10 Thread Ian Joyner
, especially in the API, and lack of comprehensible documentation (typical standards body problem). http://www.acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Contentpa=showpagepid=396 Ian On 10/07/2007, at 11:05 AM, Ian Joyner wrote: On 10/07/2007, at 4:37 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: This came out in the latest issue of ACM

Re: [OT] Good Article on API Design

2007-07-09 Thread Ian Joyner
On 10/07/2007, at 4:37 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: This came out in the latest issue of ACM Queue. It is a very good article on API design issues and mistakes. It is a bit long but I think well worth reading: http://acmqueue.com/rd.php?c.488 You can also get a free subscription to Queue. For

Re: Webobjects .org tutorials

2007-07-04 Thread Ian Joyner
On 04/07/2007, at 4:53 PM, Sebastien Plisson wrote: Hello,??Where can I find the Webobject tutorials written by an enthusiast woman ?that I met at WWDC07 ???Thank you??Sebastien Plisson?? I think you mean Janine Sisk. Her tutorial is available (with sample code) here:

Re: WebObjects documentation site

2007-07-03 Thread Ian Joyner
On 03/07/2007, at 5:20 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: On Jul 3, 2007, at 3:34 AM, Ian Joyner wrote: I appreciate the effort to provide a better level of documentation at the objectstyle confluence site. However, I'd have to say, I like the look of the wikibook a lot better (even though

Re: WebObjects documentation site

2007-07-02 Thread Ian Joyner
I appreciate the effort to provide a better level of documentation at the objectstyle confluence site. However, I'd have to say, I like the look of the wikibook a lot better (even though it wastes space on the LHS). Is it possible to give a confluence site a better look, or is this locked

Re: Java Client : who is using it ? What kind of organisation ?

2007-06-27 Thread Ian Joyner
We also have a large JC app, and I agree with everything Robert says. It looks like we have about two years to get off JC. It works really well, up to a point. I think the Apple parts work well, and the Swing parts not so well – table cells being a case in point. Maybe there was a time

Re: Missing EOModeler component in WOLips?

2007-06-27 Thread Ian Joyner
I had the same problem yesterday. I was working at home and had to set up WOLips with Eclipse. Had worked fine the previous few times I did it, but this time new project templates weren't showing up (WOApplication, WOnderApplication, etc). I'll try it again against the stable build.

Re: Java Client refuses to use Client-Side classes once deployed

2007-06-25 Thread Ian Joyner
We use Nib to Swing. It's a difficult technology to use and Swing does not help – apparent bugs in JC are really bugs in Swing, which Apple has no control over. Three-tier client-server does not seem to have caught on as expected (maybe I should read the Client/Server Survival Guide, which

Re: WOPopUpButton

2007-06-25 Thread Ian Joyner
On 23/06/2007, at 12:36 AM, Robert Walker wrote: Interesting (somewhat off-topic) discussion. I just wanted to inject that I've recently been writing some Ruby code, which uses the underscore convention for identifiers. At first it felt really strange using the underscore identifier

Re: WOPopUpButton

2007-06-25 Thread Ian Joyner
On 23/06/2007, at 1:02 AM, Miguel Arroz wrote: Hi! You guys need to learn LaTeX! One of the little cool details is that it actually handles the bigger space after the periods automatically. :) Ah yes, an innovation from another ex-Burroughs programmer! :-) Ian

Re: Java Programming Conventions, was Re: WOPopUpButton

2007-06-25 Thread Ian Joyner
On 22/06/2007, at 7:27 PM, Paul Lynch wrote: On 22 Jun 2007, at 03:39, Eric Robinson wrote: Whether you like it or not, infix caps, or camel case, are part of the Official Code Conventions of the Java Programming Language, seen at http://java.sun.com/docs/codeconv/html/

Re: WOPopUpButton

2007-06-22 Thread Ian Joyner
So the fact that it is a convention should prevent anyone from pointing out that it is a bad convention? Methinks this emperor has no clothes! On 22/06/2007, at 3:49 PM, Timmy wrote: On Jun 21, 2007, at 9:11 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: On 22/06/2007, at 12:39 PM, Eric Robinson wrote: On Jun

Re: WOPopUpButton

2007-06-21 Thread Ian Joyner
On 22/06/2007, at 6:43 AM, David LeBer wrote: On 21-Jun-07, at 2:15 PM, Sigurður E. Vilhelmsson wrote: I figure I need to build an NSArray and populate it with the values from the Course_description table and then use that to populate the course_descriptionID in the Course table, but exactly

Re: WOPopUpButton

2007-06-21 Thread Ian Joyner
On 22/06/2007, at 12:39 PM, Eric Robinson wrote: On Jun 21, 2007, at 7:29 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: On 22/06/2007, at 6:43 AM, David LeBer wrote: On 21-Jun-07, at 2:15 PM, Sigurður E. Vilhelmsson wrote: I figure I need to build an NSArray and populate it with the values from

Re: WOPopUpButton

2007-06-21 Thread Ian Joyner
On 22/06/2007, at 2:50 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: * Maybe I'm just a troglodyte ... Heck, I still type two spaces after periods most of the time (Note: I went back and took them out on this post :) ). Thank heavens for that. So you admit you do like horizontal space. I can

Re: Is it possible to deploy on OS X Client?

2007-06-05 Thread Ian Joyner
Hi Janine, Yes we do it for sales demos, etc. We just load the developer tools on client machine and can run it from there. It's a bit of a pain though, and perhaps some better gurus on this list can give you a simpler, more minimalistic way. Ian On 06/06/2007, at 9:00 AM, Janine Sisk

Re: Apple's Support of WebObjects

2007-05-06 Thread Ian Joyner
Another Mark Twain moment: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/marktwain141773.html Ian On 05/05/2007, at 5:18 AM, Don Lindsay wrote: Hello; I know that Apple had decided last year to deprecate/stop development of Web Objects. Has there been any change in the status of

Re: Using symbolic links for deployment (was: First Deployment Help)

2007-05-03 Thread Ian Joyner
On 04/05/2007, at 1:11 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: On May 2, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: I have found that you only need a symbolic link in the /Library/ WebServer/Documents/WebObjects folder: ln -s /Library/WebObjects/MyApp.woa MyApp.woa That way you never have to worry about copying

Re: Using symbolic links for deployment (was: First Deployment Help)

2007-05-03 Thread Ian Joyner
On 04/05/2007, at 10:48 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: I would recommend specifically linking WebServerResources. Otherwise someone can just download your jar files and potentially worse, your Properties files which might have passwords in them. It is MUCH safer to create MyApp.woa/Contents

Re: First Deployment Help

2007-05-02 Thread Ian Joyner
On 03/05/2007, at 3:42 AM, Scott Winn wrote: MyApp.woa made it successfully to /Library/WebObjects/Applications but there is no sign of WebServerResources in the /Library/ WebServer/Documents/WebObjects. (Need to move MyApp.woa to the folder manually, Problem 1) I have found that you

Re: Strange _EOCheapCopyMutableArray crash

2007-03-26 Thread Ian Joyner
Hi Chuck (and others who might see what this problem is), On 27/03/2007, at 3:09 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: Hi Ian, On Mar 25, 2007, at 9:43 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: I'm getting a crash in the following code: public boolean is_unassigned () { // editingContext

Strange _EOCheapCopyMutableArray crash

2007-03-25 Thread Ian Joyner
I'm getting a crash in the following code: public boolean is_unassigned () { // editingContext ().refaultObject (this); log.info (is_unassigned + this.groups ()); boolean result = true; java.util.Enumeration Group_Member e = groups

My WebObjects page

2007-03-22 Thread Ian Joyner
mention to peak people's interest. Thanks Ian Joyner ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com

Re: Does WebObjects use Java 1.5?

2007-03-21 Thread Ian Joyner
There is one issue I have found – Iterator does not cause faults to be loaded. Thus if you use: Iterator EOGenericRecord t = an_array.iterator () you will get nothing, whereas the Enumeration form works fine: Enumeration EOGenericRecord e = an_array.objectEnumerator () So

Re: Delete cascade?

2007-03-19 Thread Ian Joyner
On 20/03/2007, at 2:57 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Mar 18, 2007, at 10:11 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: Hi Peter, What you say makes sense. Maybe, because my dependent entity does not have any further cascades, I'm not seeing anything else being brought into memory (maybe it's already there). I

Re: Delete cascade?

2007-03-19 Thread Ian Joyner
On 20/03/2007, at 10:48 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Mar 19, 2007, at 4:20 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: On 20/03/2007, at 2:57 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Mar 18, 2007, at 10:11 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: What you say makes sense. Maybe, because my dependent entity does not have any further cascades, I'm

Delete cascade?

2007-03-18 Thread Ian Joyner
PRIMARY_KEY, which relates to the owned records which have OWNER_KEY. To do the delete cascade, I would think that DELETE FROM owned table WHERE OWNER_KEY = PRIMARY_KEY of owner would suffice. Have I got something set up wrong here, or am I missing something? Thanks Ian Joyner Sportstec

Re: Delete cascade?

2007-03-18 Thread Ian Joyner
does this because it needs to bring all the EO's into memory to process the delete rules specified in your EOModel. Regards Peter Ian Joyner wrote: I just noticed in my system that if I have the cascade delete rule set on a to-many relationship in EOModeler that the deletes happen one

Re: Corrupt Nib file?

2007-03-08 Thread Ian Joyner
hacking, where your software development practices are so good, you're not afraid to try things out. Ian On 06/03/2007, at 4:31 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: When I open a NIB file in IB (latest version 2.5.4 and WO 5.3.3), I get a dialog: Interface Conversion The interface file

SQL update position

2007-03-08 Thread Ian Joyner
I have just found that the statement: UPDATE table SET POSITION = value gives the error: SQL ERROR - [position 13, near '' in 'ATE MEMBER SET POSITION ='] update error: SET expected but not found. The following works: UPDATE table SET OTHER_FIELD = value, POSITION = value Seems that

Re: what to do with the return key

2007-03-05 Thread Ian Joyner
mentioned by Ian. -- Sam Barnum 360 Works http://www.360works.com 415.865.0952 On Mar 4, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: This is what I do. You need to attach a little bit of JavaScript to all your text fields: function check_enter (event) { // Stop user logging out when

Re: what to do with the return key

2007-03-04 Thread Ian Joyner
This is what I do. You need to attach a little bit of JavaScript to all your text fields: function check_enter (event) { // Stop user logging out when return or enter pressed. // We need a better way of attaching them to the + button. var code = document.layers?

Webobjects 5.3.2 deployment update?

2007-02-11 Thread Ian Joyner
Simple question - where do you get it? There is no link to any download at: http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/ webobjects531formacosxserver104.html a fact I have complained about on the It's good, but link. Since I have been using Xcode 2.4 for ages which comes with WebObjects

Re: Webobjects 5.3.2 deployment update?

2007-02-11 Thread Ian Joyner
On 12/02/2007, at 11:01 AM, Art Isbell wrote: On Feb 11, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: Simple question - where do you get it? It should be available through Software Update on OS X Server systems with WO 5.3.1 Deployment installed just as WO 5.3.1 should be available through

Re: Webobjects 5.3.2 deployment update?

2007-02-11 Thread Ian Joyner
On 12/02/2007, at 11:21 AM, Art Isbell wrote: On Feb 11, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: I tried that on one of our servers that had 5.3.1 deployment, but Software Update reported no software needed update on that machine. I suspect that 5.3.1 deployment is the latest even though

Re: WOBuilder in the future of WO?

2007-01-23 Thread Ian Joyner
On 23/01/2007, at 2:32 PM, Thomas wrote: In some jobs I use other technologies, usually for political reasons, and quote appropriately. But when the customer has no opinion, I choose WebObjects. Is there a case to be made then why WO is still better than JEE5? I think one of Apple's

Re: WOBuilder in the future of WO?

2007-01-22 Thread Ian Joyner
On 23/01/2007, at 7:51 AM, Andrew Satori wrote: I find this whole argument about Eclipse entertaining, but not productive :-). Eclipse doesn't address my original concer, and that was WOBuilder (or a successor). Arguing the merits of an editor is a no-win argument, think emacs versus vi

WebObjects vs J2EE?

2007-01-08 Thread Ian Joyner
I have searched around but can't find any papers on direct comparisons of WebObjects vs J2EE. Does anyone know of sources that address such questions as: Comparison of features Ease of development/deployment and the biggy: PERFORMANCE Also does anyone have any feelings about performance of

Re: EOSortOrdering based on a @count relationship

2007-01-08 Thread Ian Joyner
Please don't post your messages to both WO-Dev and Omni list. All people end up with is duplicate messages, since most people receive both groups. On 09/01/2007, at 10:51 AM, Dev WO wrote: Hi, I've been trying to isolate the issue with this, but I just can't even get an error... So I

Re: _EOCheapCopyMutableArray bug!

2006-12-07 Thread Ian Joyner
Just hit this problem myself, since I was changing Enumeration to the more elegant Iterator and wanted to use generics (which should avoid runtime type checking, but I'm not sure if it can since you can't put a matching generic type on the NSArray and for backward compatibility, Java does

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