Regarding Final Note

2007-10-30 Thread Thierry Kramis
There have been many mails on WO passing. First of all it didn't until now, and it won't for some time (at least that is what I think). But anyway. With the introduction of Webobject 5.4 and Leopard we've seen two things: 1. Java isn't top priority anymore (look at Java 6 not being

Re: Regarding Final Note

2007-10-30 Thread Mike Schrag
There have been many mails on WO passing. First of all it didn't until now, and it won't for some time (at least that is what I think). But anyway. With the introduction of Webobject 5.4 and Leopard we've seen two things: 1. Java isn't top priority anymore (look at Java 6 not being

Re: Regarding Final Note

2007-10-30 Thread Mike Schrag
And by the way, the move from Xcode + WOB + EOM to Eclipse + WOLips + EM is really no different than Apple's move from the old iMovie to iMovie 08. The big point of contention is that it's neither a clear upward or downward move. In some ways it's substantially better, in some ways it's

Re: Regarding Final Note

2007-10-30 Thread Ricardo Parada
On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:31 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: And by the way, the move from Xcode + WOB + EOM to Eclipse + WOLips + EM is really no different than Apple's move from the old iMovie to iMovie 08. The big point of contention is that it's neither a clear upward or downward move. In some ways

Re: Regarding Final Note

2007-10-30 Thread Mike Schrag
What I would love to see is a simple download and install package for WO developers. The biggest issue with this is that someone has to host the extra 100+ meg installer for a bunch of leeches to download :) But anyone could technically make a preinstalled bundle. For example, the

A final note

2007-10-29 Thread Ken Foust
To this Great Community: For seasoned developers the passing of WO is not a big deal. However for novice and part timers it is like a tragedy. There doesn't see to be a solution out there that was so complete. You could just buy Joshua Marker's book, build something and even make it

Re: A final note

2007-10-29 Thread Alan Ward
Ken, When did WO die? Alan On Oct 29, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Q wrote: The rumors of WO's death have been greatly exaggerated. There may be a changing of the guard when it comes to the development tools, but WO is most certainly still with us. On 30/10/2007, at 10:34 AM, Ken Foust wrote:

Re: A final note

2007-10-29 Thread Q
The rumors of WO's death have been greatly exaggerated. There may be a changing of the guard when it comes to the development tools, but WO is most certainly still with us. On 30/10/2007, at 10:34 AM, Ken Foust wrote: To this Great Community: For seasoned developers the passing of WO is

Re: A final note

2007-10-29 Thread Guido Neitzer
On 29.10.2007, at 19:01, Alan Ward wrote: When did WO die? Years ago. Only nobody noticed ... cug, zombieing around ... ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list

Re: A final note

2007-10-29 Thread Mike Schrag
For seasoned developers the passing of WO is not a big deal. If WO is dead, then my wife really deserves an explanation of what I've been up to all these months. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev

Re: A final note

2007-10-29 Thread Lachlan Deck
Hi there, On 30/10/2007, at 11:34 AM, Ken Foust wrote: To this Great Community: For seasoned developers the passing of WO is not a big deal. Passing? 5.4 just came out. However for novice and part timers it is like a tragedy. There doesn't see to be a solution out there that was so

Re: A final note

2007-10-29 Thread Mike Schrag
Well, it is what it is. Can't be helped now. But there's still a lot of help available... I'd say even more than before. If you need a visual editor, then there are numerous gui html editors out there that could serve you well. Granted, they'll not be an integrated solution. Not only that,

Re: A final note

2007-10-29 Thread Alan Ward
my thoughts exactly I've got 8 years of 'splainin' to do :-) Alan On Oct 29, 2007, at 7:54 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: For seasoned developers the passing of WO is not a big deal. If WO is dead, then my wife really deserves an explanation of what I've been up to all these months. ms

Re: A final note

2007-10-29 Thread Ian Joyner
On 30/10/2007, at 12:27 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: Hi there, On 30/10/2007, at 11:34 AM, Ken Foust wrote: To this Great Community: For seasoned developers the passing of WO is not a big deal. Passing? 5.4 just came out. However for novice and part timers it is like a tragedy. There

Re: A final note

2007-10-29 Thread Lachlan Deck
On 30/10/2007, at 1:07 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: Not only that, but pro-WOBs / anti-WOLs keep talking like the current state is the forever state. Anyone who follows WOLips knows that story is far from over ... Just a week or two ago we had the WOB-ish Display Group editor submitted, which