Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-08 Thread Kevin Spake
: Sat, May 7, 2011 10:15:26 AM Subject: Re: InOverMyHead {obviously}; By the way, that snippet is from the wod file. The wod file is the glue that magically connects your html template to the corresponding java class. MyPage.html -- MyPage.wod -- MyPage.java. Looking at the little snippet below

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-08 Thread Kieran Kelleher
AM Subject: Re: InOverMyHead {obviously}; By the way, that snippet is from the wod file. The wod file is the glue that magically connects your html template to the corresponding java class. MyPage.html -- MyPage.wod -- MyPage.java. Looking at the little snippet below, here

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-08 Thread Chuck Hill
On May 6, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Hugi Thordarson wrote: Pfft. WOWODC is for… It's for… Well, anyway, you all suck! http://hugi.karlmenn.is/d/wowodc.png Grin. I am torn by the wish to see you again and my recollection of the pain the morning after (and, well, afternoon after and into the

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-07 Thread Kevin Spake
/spake/Library/Frameworks wo.user.root=/Users/spake wolips.properties=wolips.properties Kevin From: John Huss johnth...@gmail.com To: Kevin Spake sparky0...@yahoo.com Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 9:59:45 PM Subject: Re: InOverMyHead

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-07 Thread Kieran Kelleher
wolips.properties=wolips.properties Kevin From: John Huss johnth...@gmail.com To: Kevin Spake sparky0...@yahoo.com Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 9:59:45 PM Subject: Re: InOverMyHead {obviously}; You can type in a public instance variable, or command+click (or maybe

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-07 Thread Miguel Arroz
Hi, Don't you mean french-speaking canadian girls? Regards, Miguel Arroz On 2011/05/06, at 23:28, Chuck Hill wrote: And that bar is only a few blocks from the University. Can you say Hot French Girls? Um, not that I ever noticed, according to my wife. Chuck On May 6, 2011,

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-07 Thread David LeBer
On 2011-05-07, at 11:08 AM, Miguel Arroz wrote: Hi, Don't you mean french-speaking canadian girls? As he said, he didn't really notice. Regards, Miguel Arroz On 2011/05/06, at 23:28, Chuck Hill wrote: And that bar is only a few blocks from the University. Can you say Hot

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-07 Thread Kieran Kelleher
=/Users/spake/Library/Frameworks wo.user.root=/Users/spake wolips.properties=wolips.properties Kevin From: John Huss johnth...@gmail.com To: Kevin Spake sparky0...@yahoo.com Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 9:59:45 PM Subject: Re: InOverMyHead {obviously}; You

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Paul D Yu
I think we should at least mark it as Old/DO NOT USE, otherwise delete it. Paul On May 6, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 2011-05-06 à 00:47, Kevin Spake a écrit : Subject says it all. I took a java programming class years ago. I did not continue with it. Since then, my

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Pascal Robert
Le 2011-05-06 à 07:41, Paul Hoadley a écrit : On 06/05/2011, at 9:06 PM, Paul D Yu wrote: I think we should at least mark it as Old/DO NOT USE, otherwise delete it. I marked it as containing legacy content earlier today. My vote is for deleting it, or moving it to the Deprecated

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread David Avendasora
My philosophy is that if it has some nugget of useful information in it that shouldn't be lost, then move it to the deprecated section as a quick fix. However, if everything in it is out-of-date and misleading and no longer applicable, then the body of it should get replaced with a pointer to

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Pascal Robert
Le 2011-05-06 à 00:47, Kevin Spake a écrit : Subject says it all. I took a java programming class years ago. I did not continue with it. Since then, my only programming experience has been with Realbasic, and that too was years ago. Now, I've decided to jump into webobjects. I have

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Pascal Robert
Le 2011-05-06 à 08:21, David Avendasora a écrit : My philosophy is that if it has some nugget of useful information in it that shouldn't be lost, then move it to the deprecated section as a quick fix. However, if everything in it is out-of-date and misleading and no longer applicable,

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Kieran Kelleher
Use the Getting Started Screencasts here: http://www.wocommunity.org/webobjects_screencasts.html Once you get your head around concepts of WO, it is easy - and, by all accounts, it is apparently more productive and more powerful than many of the popular java web enterprise frameworks.

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Kevin Spake
Oops, responding to the list this time. Thanks to all for the suggestions. The learning curve seems a little steep but I will just chip away at it.  Kevin  --- On Fri, 5/6/11, Kieran Kelleher kelleh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kieran Kelleher kelleh...@gmail.com Subject: Re: InOverMyHead

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Kieran Kelleher
Kelleher kelleh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kieran Kelleher kelleh...@gmail.com Subject: Re: InOverMyHead {obviously}; To: Kevin Spake sparky0...@yahoo.com Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 3:33 AM Use the Getting Started Screencasts here: http

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Chuck Hill
Hi Kevin, While we are always happy to have newcomers, I will point out that WebObjects is not the right solution for all situations. It is a tool intended for professional developers to make robust web applications backed by a database. It is truly awe inspiring to see how quickly someone

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Kevin Spake
I chose WO exactly for the reasons you stated. My goal requires a large, robust, complex application. My hope is that the effort at the beginning of the process will pay off later on. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Hi Kevin,

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread David Avendasora
On May 6, 2011, at 11:56 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: 2) Don't be shy about asking. This community is very willing to help in general. We all were beginners at one time, although David Avendasora has been struggling for years to get past asking stupid questions ;-) Over 6 years to be

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Chuck Hill
We should probably point out to Kevin that many of us have known each other for years after meeting at conferences and work and that a lot of good natured ribbing occurs on the list. There is no animosity here and we keep it like that. Chuck On May 6, 2011, at 11:05 AM, David Avendasora

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Tim Worman
On the contrary, I haven't met a single one of you in person (yet) and from what I can tell you're just a bunch of drunks who plan a big party once a year. And, boy do I wish I could come. :-( This list is super helpful - greatest folks around. Tim Worman UCLA GSEIS On May 6, 2011, at 11:12

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Alan Ward
I heard the parties often include goats On May 6, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Tim Worman wrote: On the contrary, I haven't met a single one of you in person (yet) and from what I can tell you're just a bunch of drunks who plan a big party once a year. And, boy do I wish I could come. :-( This

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread David LeBer
On 2011-05-06, at 2:28 PM, Tim Worman wrote: On the contrary, I haven't met a single one of you in person (yet) and from what I can tell you're just a bunch of drunks who plan a big party once a year. Your point being? ;-) And, boy do I wish I could come. :-( This list is super

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Kieran Kelleher
There ... fixed it for you. On May 6, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Tim Worman wrote: On the contrary, I haven't met a single one of you in person (yet) and from what I can tell you're just a bunch of drunk Davids who plan a big party once a year. And, boy do I wish I could come. :-( This list is

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Chuck Hill
On May 6, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Tim Worman wrote: On the contrary, I haven't met a single one of you in person (yet) and from what I can tell you're just a bunch of drunks who plan a big party once a year. Hey! I resemble that remark! And, boy do I wish I could come. :-( This list is

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Chuck Hill
What happens in Montreal, stays in Montreal! :-) On May 6, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Alan Ward wrote: I heard the parties often include goats On May 6, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Tim Worman wrote: On the contrary, I haven't met a single one of you in person (yet) and from what I can tell you're

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread David Avendasora
On May 6, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: We should probably point out to Kevin that many of us have known each other for years after meeting at conferences and work and that a lot of good natured ribbing occurs on the list. There is no animosity here and we keep it like that.

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Pascal Robert
Oh yeah, TABARNACK! What happens in Montreal, stays in Montreal! :-) On May 6, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Alan Ward wrote: I heard the parties often include goats On May 6, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Tim Worman wrote: On the contrary, I haven't met a single one of you in person (yet) and from

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Kieran Kelleher
The parties also include discussions of farming in Portugal or the Island of Niue (http://www.niueisland.com/) - even though I think Miguel is going to try farming in the frozen Canadian tundra in the near future since there is apparently more goats in Canada than Portugal and the Island of

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread David Holt
On 2011-05-06, at 11:43 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: The parties also include discussions of farming in Portugal or the Island of Niue (http://www.niueisland.com/) - even though I think Miguel is going to try farming in the frozen Canadian tundra in the near future since there is apparently

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Chuck Hill
On May 6, 2011, at 11:41 AM, David Avendasora wrote: On May 6, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: We should probably point out to Kevin that many of us have known each other for years after meeting at conferences and work and that a lot of good natured ribbing occurs on the list.

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Chuck Hill
Then you have selected an excellent technology for you needs. It will be a struggle at first, but there is a significant payoff. If you want, I strongly urge you to come to WOWODC in Montreal at the beginning of July. It is an all stuff, no fluff kind of conference and really, really worth

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Johnny Miller
Was this picture taken at least year's WOWODC? inline: 0.jpg On May 6, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Alan Ward wrote: I heard the parties often include goats On May 6, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Tim Worman wrote: On the contrary, I haven't met a single one of you in person (yet) and from what I can tell

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Kevin Spake
. Perhaps I should start taking notes of issues and areas that seem to be lacking in organized help.  Kevin --- On Fri, 5/6/11, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: From: Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net Subject: Re: InOverMyHead {obviously}; To: Kevin Spake sparky0...@yahoo.com Cc

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Chuck Hill
Yeah, that is in a bar on Rue St. Denis. On May 6, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: Was this picture taken at least year's WOWODC? 0.jpg On May 6, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Alan Ward wrote: I heard the parties often include goats On May 6, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Tim Worman wrote: On

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Pascal Robert
is available on O'Reilly Safari. Kevin --- On Fri, 5/6/11, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: From: Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net Subject: Re: InOverMyHead {obviously}; To: Kevin Spake sparky0...@yahoo.com Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Date

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Johnny Miller
WOW! Montreal is obviously way more awesome then I thought it was. On May 6, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: Yeah, that is in a bar on Rue St. Denis. On May 6, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: Was this picture taken at least year's WOWODC? 0.jpg On May 6, 2011, at 8:32

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Chuck Hill
And that bar is only a few blocks from the University. Can you say Hot French Girls? Um, not that I ever noticed, according to my wife. Chuck On May 6, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: WOW! Montreal is obviously way more awesome then I thought it was. On May 6, 2011, at 11:43

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Chuck Hill
-village.net Subject: Re: InOverMyHead {obviously}; To: Kevin Spake sparky0...@yahoo.com Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 2:10 PM Then you have selected an excellent technology for you needs. It will be a struggle at first

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Hugi Thordarson
Pfft. WOWODC is for… It's for… Well, anyway, you all suck! http://hugi.karlmenn.is/d/wowodc.png - hugi On 6.5.2011, at 22:28, Chuck Hill wrote: And that bar is only a few blocks from the University. Can you say Hot French Girls? Um, not that I ever noticed, according to my wife.

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Chuck Hill
On May 6, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Hugi Thordarson wrote: Pfft. WOWODC is for… It's for… Well, anyway, you all suck! http://hugi.karlmenn.is/d/wowodc.png Grin. I am torn by the wish to see you again and my recollection of the pain the morning after (and, well, afternoon after and into the

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread André Mitra
shame on you, chuck :) On 2011-05-06, at 1:00 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: Hi Kevin, While we are always happy to have newcomers, I will point out that WebObjects is not the right solution for all situations. It is a tool intended for professional developers to make robust web applications

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Pascal Robert
Le 2011-05-06 à 19:59, Chuck Hill a écrit : On May 6, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Hugi Thordarson wrote: Pfft. WOWODC is for… It's for… Well, anyway, you all suck! http://hugi.karlmenn.is/d/wowodc.png Grin. I am torn by the wish to see you again and my recollection of the pain the morning

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Pascal Robert
Le 2011-05-06 à 18:00, Johnny Miller a écrit : WOW! Montreal is obviously way more awesome then I thought it was. Not only we have goats in bars, we also have pig heads ! http://wocommunity.org/images/DSC00128.jpg On May 6, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: Yeah, that is in a bar on

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Chuck Hill
On May 6, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 2011-05-06 à 18:00, Johnny Miller a écrit : WOW! Montreal is obviously way more awesome then I thought it was. Not only we have goats in bars, we also have pig heads ! http://wocommunity.org/images/DSC00128.jpg Stuffed with clams in

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Chuck Hill
On May 6, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 2011-05-06 à 19:59, Chuck Hill a écrit : On May 6, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Hugi Thordarson wrote: Pfft. WOWODC is for… It's for… Well, anyway, you all suck! http://hugi.karlmenn.is/d/wowodc.png Grin. I am torn by the wish to see you again

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-06 Thread Hugi Thordarson
Pfft. WOWODC is for… It's for… Well, anyway, you all suck! http://hugi.karlmenn.is/d/wowodc.png Grin. I am torn by the wish to see you again and my recollection of the pain the morning after (and, well, afternoon after and into the evening) the last time we met. I was so certain

InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-05 Thread Kevin Spake
Subject says it all.  I took a java programming class years ago. I did not continue with it. Since then, my only programming experience has been with Realbasic, and that too was years ago. Now, I've decided to jump into webobjects. I have eclipse and WO 543 on intel mac. I can run a simple

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-05 Thread John Huss
You can type in a public instance variable, or command+click (or maybe it's control+click?) on the variable name in your .wod (or .html) file to generate the variable. WO kind of has a big learning curve. Unfortunately there isn't much documentation and most of what you will find refers to

Re: InOverMyHead {obviously};

2011-05-05 Thread Mike Gargano
Those are old instructions using WebObjects builder. That doesn't exist anymore. You can do it by hand or use the bindings view and command clicking on undefined action names in the wod to replicate the WObuilder functionality. -mike On May 6, 2011, at 12:47 AM, Kevin Spake