Re: WOLips strange behavior

2014-04-15 Thread Filippo Lauria
Hi Ray,
thank, you too, for reply.

​
How did you get your WOLips?
​
​
​I just installed it ​
​automatically from eclipse (v3.7r2 20120216-1856​
​)​
​.
​
​ The version of WOLips is​
​ 3.7.20140223.48.

​
I always do the install through the update manager. Currently, I am
using eclipse version 3.7.2 (Build id: I20110613-1736) and I have
WOLips version 4.2.20130127.7.
​I thought​
​ that with eclipse 3.7* one can only install WOLips 3.7*​
​.
Anyway, to prove this on my skin, I just tried to install (since 4/5
months ago) ​
​WOLips 4.2, too.
The result was (on an Ubuntu OS whit eclipse 3.7) that there were
thrown a lot of NPE exception
while normally using the plugin.​


I did not read your earlier e-mail carefully because messages that have
WOLips strangeness in the title are singing an old, old song. But.
Data loss errors in eclipse/WOLips are unusual. And bad.

I do not know if you would be willing to do it, but if this was me, I
would move aside my workspace and start eclipse and re-create the
workspace and re-create my projects. If data from files is being lost,
what else is to be done? Not losing data is pretty basic. I have
screwed up my eclipse installations many times yet I have not seen a
data loss error.
​Ok. I forget to say that this is my fifth new brand workspace. In the
earlier ones i did not figure out
where the problem exactly was. Now I individuate it on the trashing of
a woo file of the component
EditAssignmentPage.

I assume you are not running out of disk space. It is hard to know what
else could cause this. If you re-create the workspace and it still
happens, give a holler off-line because this really would need to be
looked at more seriously.

Sorry I cannot think of anything else to help you out.
​You've already done enough, don't worry. Maybe it is only a
misconfiguration on my machine,
a false positive
​​
​, I hope.​

Anyway, when I'll have more details, I will let you know.

Regards.

cheers - ray

 On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:09:30 +0200
Filippo Lauria email@hidden wrote:

 2014-04-10 21:01 GMT+02:00 Aaron Rosenzweig email@hidden:

  Hi Filippo,
 
 Hi Aaron, thanks for reply.

 Probably you upgraded your WO plugin for Eclipse called WOLips or
 maybe
  you even upgraded Eclipse too.
 
 I don't.
 I'm an Ubuntu WebObjects developer [ I think the last one on the
 earth :) ] and
 I'm using eclipse 3.7 + WOLips 3.7.

 
  Sometimes they are written to handle line endings and things
  differently and will modify old files just by opening them if
  you've upgraded WOLips.
 
 The problem is that WOLips is not just trimming spaces, or stripping
 line endings or \soft stuff\ like this, it is \brutally\ cutting off
 lines of code!

 I was just wondering if there was someone else who experimented this,
 or I'm the only one?

 Thank you all,
  Filippo

   *Aaron Rosenzweig* / Chat 'n Bike http://www.chatnbike.com
  *e:*  email@hidden  *t:*  (301) 956-2319   [image: Chat 'n
  Bike]  [image: Chat 'n Bike]
 
  On Apr 10, 2014, at 6:16 AM, Filippo Lauria
  email@hidden wrote:
 
  Hello,
  I'm facing an issue that it's really driving me crazy.
 
  Here it is a brief explanation:
 
  I have a component from one of my WO framework: EditAssignmentPage.
  I was not touching it anymore, since my focus moved to other
  components of my WO framework as well.
  I did few changes to my framework, added components, modified
  EOModel, etc.
 
  Few days ago I was wondering to change something on
  EditAssignmentPage Component. I opened it and /magically/ it just
  modified itself.
 
  I soon noticed issues in the java file, since an ERXDisplayGroup
  lost his parametrization.
  After few looks I noticed too, that woo file automatically changed
  from something like this:
  --
  {
 WebObjects Release = WebObjects 5.0;
 encoding = NSUTF8StringEncoding;
  variables = {
   offeringGroup = { ... };
   scriptDisplayGroup = { ... };
  submissionProfileDisplayGroup = { ... };
  ...
  --
 
  to something similar, but different:
  --
  {
 WebObjects Release = WebObjects 5.0;
 encoding = NSUTF8StringEncoding;
  variables = {
   offeringGroup = { ... };
  ...
  --
 
  Is there a logical explanation of why is this happening?
 
 
  Luckly, I committed EditAssignmentPage in a consi
  stent state, but I can start to modify component since it runs to
  inconsistent version.
 
  Any ideas?
 
  Thank you for reading (and hopefully for answering).
 
  --
  Filippo Lauria
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Re: Apache adaptor error with http header

2014-04-15 Thread Schoenenberger Dominique
Big thanks ! That was a good advise !

I downloaded an already compiled adaptor available with this procedure:
http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/documentation/Installing+a+deployment+environment+on+RedHat%2C+CentOS+or+Amazon+Linuxhttp://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/documentation/Installing+a+deployment+environment+on+RedHat,+CentOS+or+Amazon+Linux

and with this apache adaptor, the problem is solved. That was a problem 
impacting us for 3 years ! Thanks again !

Dominique

On 09 Apr 2014, at 19:09, Chuck Hill 
ch...@global-village.netmailto:ch...@global-village.net wrote:

My best guess at this point (and it is only a guess and on half a cup of 
coffee) is that you have a threading model error in how you configured the 
build – two threads are sharing data structures at the same time.  That 
explains why it is not systematic.  I can’t help you any more than that, 
hopefully someone else can.

Chuck



On 2014-04-09, 10:03 AM, Schoenenberger Dominique wrote:

It’s
Apache: 2.2.3
on Linux: Redhat 2.6.18-194.el5
Adaptor: latest version of Apache adaptor from Wonder (checked out end of 
march), built by myself

Dominique

On 09 Apr 2014, at 18:38, Chuck Hill 
ch...@global-village.netmailto:ch...@global-village.net wrote:



On 2014-04-09, 8:10 AM, Schoenenberger Dominique wrote:

We have errors reported by the WebObjects Apache adaptor:

04-Apr-2014 18:36:23 - Error: Header length  10240
04-Apr-2014 18:36:23 - Error: header text:VL_S_IV_1_0_1DVL_S_IV 
1.0.1/optionoption value=DVL_S_V_1_0_0”…
04-Apr-2014 18:36:23 - Info: Dumping pooled connection to 
srv-istp-01.hq.k.grp(2005)
04-Apr-2014 18:36:23 - Info: Marking instance 3 dead
04-Apr-2014 18:36:23 - Warn: Marking srv-istp-01.hq.k.grp:3 unresponsive
04-Apr-2014 18:36:23 - Debug: connectionAttempts = 1, retries = 10


The header is too long because it contains HTML code ! , usually the html is a 
list of options of a select.

What version of Apache?  Which adaptor version?  Who built it?

That looks like a buffer overrun, or something picking up part of the previous 
request.


After such error, the instance is flagged “dead” (see log above) and the 
request is sent to another instance.

In user point of view, it appears as a session timeout error.

That is the result of the request is sent to another instance”.



This error is not systematic.

Does someone having the same problem ? or have any idea of the cause ?

Dominique
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Re: To-Many Qualifiers

2014-04-15 Thread Aaron Rosenzweig
Hello Kevin,

I’ll take a swing at a new qualifier for you.

Verbally:
A profile sometimes points directly to the account I want. Other times, the 
primary account for a profile is NOT the one I want but it has teams which 
vicariously point back to the account I want. Give me all those profiles.

Style notes (entirely optional):
Try to avoid starting with “ERXQ.anything” such as “ERXQ.or()” and 
“ERXQ.keypath()” Technically it is ok but it’s harder to rest and disrupts the 
visual flow of the code. 

Don’t use “_KEY” - It’s easier to just call “.key()” when you need it as you’ll 
soon see.

Code sniff:
Anytime you have a to-many relationship involved, consider an “exists” 
qualifier.

Utility method:
You need a way to “qualify yourself.” Your primary keys are probably hidden 
(rightly so). You don’t want to qualify on “name”, “title”, “description or 
anything else since you already have the Account object you want in hand. So 
put this utility method either in your “Account” EO or preferably in your 
abstract parent class if you have one (between “Account” and 
“ERXGenericRecord”):

public EOQualifier identityQualifier() {
EOEntity entity = 
ERXEOAccessUtilities.entityNamed(editingContext(), entityName());
EOQualifier qualifier = 
entity.qualifierForPrimaryKey(primaryKeyDictionary(false /*inTransaction*/));
return qualifier;
}

The new code:

// Generates a qualifier for the Profile for this account and the Profiles of 
any account on the same team (or that is the intention)
public static EOQualifier visibleToAccountQualifier(Account account)
{
EOQualifier accountIsDirectlyTheOneIWantQualifier = 
account.identityQualifier();
EOQualifier accountHasTeamForTheOneIWantQualifier = new 
ERXExistsQualifier (
account.identityQualifier() /*subQualifier*/,
Account.TEAMS.dot(Team.ACCOUNTS).key() /*baseKeyPath*/,
);
EOQualifier finalAccountQualifier = new ERXOrQualifier(
accountIsDirectlyTheOneIWantQualifier,
accountHasTeamForTheOneIWantQualifier);

EOQualifier profileQualifier = new ERXExistsQualifier (
finalAccountQualifier /*subQualifier*/,
Profile.ACCOUNT.key() /*baseKeyPath*/, /*Note: this is a to-one 
relationship, but that’s ok*/
);

return profileQualifier;
}


Wrap-up:

Note: be sure to either update Wonder or at least “cherry pick the latest 
version of the ExistsQualifier.

Kevin give this a try and report back. It’s funny how the ExistsQualifier can 
solve 90% of the complex data-mining queries we could encounter. This is 
especially true for “to-many” relationships. 

You can “flip” the “exists” sql into an “in” with an additional boolean 
parameter. Play with the true-false value of “useInClauseInstead” to tune 
performance. If you want to learn more then watch the slides here:
http://www.chatnbike.com/presentation_existsQualifier/

You’ll be able to lick this, don’t worry. Dig in :-)

Cheers,
AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike
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On Apr 14, 2014, at 4:49 PM, Kevin Hinkson k...@coralstone.co wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I was hoping someone would be able to point me in the direction of how to 
 handle generating a to many qualifier that involves a key path (not just a 
 single key).
 
 A code example:
 
 // Generates a qualifier for the Profile for this account and the Profiles of 
 any account on the same team (or that is the intention)
 public static EOQualifier visibleToAccountQualifier(Account account)
 {
EOQualifier profilesDirectlyTiedToAccount = 
 Profile.ACCOUNT.eq(account);
String teamProfilesKeyPath = ERXQ.keyPath(Profile.ACCOUNT_KEY, 
 Account.TEAMS_KEY, Team.ACCOUNTS_KEY);
EOQualifier teamProfilesQualifier = ERXQ.has(teamProfilesKeyPath, new 
 NSArrayAccount(account));
return ERXQ.or(profilesDirectlyTiedToAccount, teamProfilesQualifier);
 }
 
 Performing a fetch with this qualifier generates the following error.
 
 EvaluateExpression failed: com.webobjects.jdbcadaptor.PostgresqlExpression: 
 SELECT DISTINCT t0.id FROM Profile t0 INNER JOIN Account T1 ON t0.accountID 
 = T1.id INNER JOIN AccountTeam T2 ON T1.id = T2.accountId INNER JOIN Team T3 
 ON T2.teamId = T3.id INNER JOIN AccountTeam T4 ON T3.id = T4.teamId WHERE 
 (T4.teamId IN ( SELECT Team.id FROM Team,AccountTeam null WHERE 
 Team.id=T4.teamId AND null.accountId IN (1)  GROUP BY Team.id HAVING 
 COUNT(*)=1 ) OR t0.accountID = ?::int8) withBindings: 1:1(accountID):
Next exception:SQL State:42601 -- error code: 0 -- msg: ERROR: syntax 
 error at or near null
  Position: 281.
 
 There is a null in there where there shouldn't be one (on the inner select). 
 Am I using this qualifier incorrectly or is this indicative of a modelling 
 error or even a bug? If it helps, I'm using PostgreSQL.
 

Re: Apache adaptor error with http header

2014-04-15 Thread Chuck Hill
That is great news!  Thanks for letting us know.

Chuck


On 2014-04-15, 7:59 AM, Schoenenberger Dominique wrote:

Big thanks ! That was a good advise !

I downloaded an already compiled adaptor available with this procedure:
http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/documentation/Installing+a+deployment+environment+on+RedHat%2C+CentOS+or+Amazon+Linuxhttp://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/documentation/Installing+a+deployment+environment+on+RedHat,+CentOS+or+Amazon+Linux

and with this apache adaptor, the problem is solved. That was a problem 
impacting us for 3 years ! Thanks again !

Dominique

On 09 Apr 2014, at 19:09, Chuck Hill 
ch...@global-village.netmailto:ch...@global-village.net wrote:

My best guess at this point (and it is only a guess and on half a cup of 
coffee) is that you have a threading model error in how you configured the 
build – two threads are sharing data structures at the same time.  That 
explains why it is not systematic.  I can’t help you any more than that, 
hopefully someone else can.

Chuck



On 2014-04-09, 10:03 AM, Schoenenberger Dominique wrote:

It’s
Apache: 2.2.3
on Linux: Redhat 2.6.18-194.el5
Adaptor: latest version of Apache adaptor from Wonder (checked out end of 
march), built by myself

Dominique

On 09 Apr 2014, at 18:38, Chuck Hill 
ch...@global-village.netmailto:ch...@global-village.net wrote:



On 2014-04-09, 8:10 AM, Schoenenberger Dominique wrote:

We have errors reported by the WebObjects Apache adaptor:

04-Apr-2014 18:36:23 - Error: Header length  10240
04-Apr-2014 18:36:23 - Error: header text:VL_S_IV_1_0_1DVL_S_IV 
1.0.1/optionoption value=DVL_S_V_1_0_0”…
04-Apr-2014 18:36:23 - Info: Dumping pooled connection to 
srv-istp-01.hq.k.grp(2005)
04-Apr-2014 18:36:23 - Info: Marking instance 3 dead
04-Apr-2014 18:36:23 - Warn: Marking srv-istp-01.hq.k.grp:3 unresponsive
04-Apr-2014 18:36:23 - Debug: connectionAttempts = 1, retries = 10


The header is too long because it contains HTML code ! , usually the html is a 
list of options of a select.

What version of Apache?  Which adaptor version?  Who built it?

That looks like a buffer overrun, or something picking up part of the previous 
request.


After such error, the instance is flagged “dead” (see log above) and the 
request is sent to another instance.

In user point of view, it appears as a session timeout error.

That is the result of the request is sent to another instance”.



This error is not systematic.

Does someone having the same problem ? or have any idea of the cause ?

Dominique
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Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Ada
Hello all,

We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java. Wondering
if there's a tool which could help with this process. The application is
running WO 5.4 on Java 5.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated
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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Chuck Hill
How is it not pure Java now?

Chuck


On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:


Hello all,

We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java. Wondering if 
there's a tool which could help with this process. The application is running 
WO 5.4 on Java 5.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated
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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Ada
The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO.
I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on
Eclipse without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some
guidance on how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.netwrote:

  How is it not pure Java now?

  Chuck


   On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:


  Hello all,

 We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java.
 Wondering if there's a tool which could help with this process. The
 application is running WO 5.4 on Java 5.

  Any advice would be greatly appreciated


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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Pascal Robert
Define Java for the GUI. Swing? Some other Web framework? Plain JSP? 

- Mail original -

De: Ada mersi...@gmail.com 
À: Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net 
Cc: Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com 
Envoyé: Mardi 15 Avril 2014 15:48:23 
Objet: Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java 

The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO. 
I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on Eclipse 
without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some guidance on 
how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java. 


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill  ch...@global-village.net  wrote: 



How is it not pure Java now? 

Chuck 


On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote: 


blockquote


Hello all, 

We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java. Wondering if 
there's a tool which could help with this process. The application is running 
WO 5.4 on Java 5. 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated 




/blockquote



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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Chuck Hill


On 2014-04-15, 12:48 PM, Ada wrote:

The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO.

And WO is Pure Java, so what is the problem?  You wan’t to move to Tapestry?   
JSP?


I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on Eclipse 
without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some guidance on 
how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.

WOLips is just a _development time_ plugin for Eclipse.  It is the IDE!  You 
can develop WebObjects without it, but it is a lot more work.  You can develop 
WebObject with emacs and Ant if you really want the pain.   WOLips is NOT used 
for deployed apps.


Chuck




On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill 
ch...@global-village.netmailto:ch...@global-village.net wrote:
How is it not pure Java now?

Chuck


On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:


Hello all,

We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java. Wondering if 
there's a tool which could help with this process. The application is running 
WO 5.4 on Java 5.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread David LeBer
WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or anything). It 
is a full web publishing stack.

If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a database, 
if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects called EOF.

The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents (each 
comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings file (.wod) 
to tie them together), and has classes to handle session management etc.

If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then you are 
faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer and display 
layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a simple undertaking.

D
 
On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:

 The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO. 
 I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on Eclipse 
 without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some guidance on 
 how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:
 How is it not pure Java now?
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:
 
 
 Hello all,
 
 We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java. Wondering 
 if there's a tool which could help with this process. The application is 
 running WO 5.4 on Java 5.
 
 Any advice would be greatly appreciated
 
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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Aaron Rosenzweig
Hi Ada,

Hey sorry… so many responses and we’re all confused.

I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools 
including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve upgraded 
your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your only choice 
is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m guessing too :-)

WO 5.4 is pure java. There is nothing to convert.

When you switch to Eclipse and install the WOLips plugin it will work. You 
don’t need to convert anything.

Get Eclipse version 3.7.x and WOLips.

Cheers,
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On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:16 PM, David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.com wrote:

 WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or anything). 
 It is a full web publishing stack.
 
 If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a database, 
 if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects called EOF.
 
 The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents (each 
 comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings file (.wod) 
 to tie them together), and has classes to handle session management etc.
 
 If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then you are 
 faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer and 
 display layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a simple 
 undertaking.
 
 D
 
 On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO. 
 I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on 
 Eclipse without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some 
 guidance on how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:
 How is it not pure Java now?
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:
 
 
 Hello all,
 
 We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java. Wondering 
 if there's a tool which could help with this process. The application is 
 running WO 5.4 on Java 5.
 
 Any advice would be greatly appreciated
 
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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Timothy Worman
Golipse should install Eclipse 3.8.2, WOLips, and some other tools, etc.

Tim

On Apr 15, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com wrote:

 Hi Ada,
 
 Hey sorry… so many responses and we’re all confused.
 
 I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools 
 including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve 
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your 
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m 
 guessing too :-)
 
 WO 5.4 is pure java. There is nothing to convert.
 
 When you switch to Eclipse and install the WOLips plugin it will work. You 
 don’t need to convert anything.
 
 Get Eclipse version 3.7.x and WOLips.
 
 Cheers,
 AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike
 e:  aa...@chatnbike.com  t:  (301) 956-2319
   
 
 On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:16 PM, David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.com wrote:
 
 WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or anything). 
 It is a full web publishing stack.
 
 If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a 
 database, if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects 
 called EOF.
 
 The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents (each 
 comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings file 
 (.wod) to tie them together), and has classes to handle session management 
 etc.
 
 If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then you are 
 faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer and 
 display layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a simple 
 undertaking.
 
 D
 
 On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO. 
 I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on 
 Eclipse without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some 
 guidance on how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net 
 wrote:
 How is it not pure Java now?
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:
 
 
 Hello all,
 
 We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java. Wondering 
 if there's a tool which could help with this process. The application is 
 running WO 5.4 on Java 5.
 
 Any advice would be greatly appreciated
 
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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Ada
Thanks all for the responses!

Some answers to your questions:

I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools
including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve
upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your
only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m
guessing too :-)-- Yes, can no longer run WO on my current machine.
It is dying, and cannot patch it with anymore old parts.

Plain JSP is what I am thinking of switching to.

The reason we're stripping out the webobjects from the code is due to the
server it lies on. It is running on a decade old mac, version 10.5.8.
My understanding is that i cannot run a webobjects app on a windows box (or
maybe Red Hat)? Am I correct with my thoughts on that?
I need a simple Java framework to convert all the code in, JSP is what I
first thought of, but I'm open to suggestions.
The application listserv type app, where users are creating, adding,
removing people form listservs.
As, one of you mentioned it does use the EOF, so I would need to rewrite
that, and I don't know much as to what it is involved in there eitehr
either.
Any guidance as to what to expect would be greatly appreciated.
Apologies for the confusing questions.

Thank you all!


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Timothy Worman li...@thetimmy.com wrote:

 Golipse should install Eclipse 3.8.2, WOLips, and some other tools, etc.

 Tim

 On Apr 15, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com wrote:

 Hi Ada,

 Hey sorry… so many responses and we’re all confused.

 I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools
 including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m
 guessing too :-)

 WO 5.4 is pure java. There is nothing to convert.

 When you switch to Eclipse and install the WOLips plugin it will work. You
 don’t need to convert anything.

 Get Eclipse version 3.7.x and WOLips.

 Cheers,
 *AARON ROSENZWEIG* / Chat 'n Bike http://www.chatnbike.com/

 *e:*  aa...@chatnbike.com  *t:*  (301) 956-2319
 [image: Chat 'n Bike][image: Chat 'n Bike]

 On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:16 PM, David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.com
 wrote:

 WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or
 anything). It is a full web publishing stack.

 If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a
 database, if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects
 called EOF.

 The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents (each
 comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings file
 (.wod) to tie them together), and has classes to handle session management
 etc.

 If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then you
 are faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer and
 display layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a simple
 undertaking.

 D

 On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:

 The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO.
 I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on
 Eclipse without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some
 guidance on how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.


 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net
 wrote:
 How is it not pure Java now?

 Chuck


 On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:


 Hello all,

 We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java.
 Wondering if there's a tool which could help with this process. The
 application is running WO 5.4 on Java 5.

 Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Lon Varscsak
Because WebObjects is written in Java, it can pretty much run anywhere you
need it to.  We almost exclusively deploy our applications on Linux, but
there are others who deploy on Windows (we call them crazy though :D).

There was a restriction in the license (I don't remember if this ever
changed) that required you to do development on a Mac OS X box, but I know
there are devs that do development on other platforms.

-Lon


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks all for the responses!

 Some answers to your questions:

 I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development
 tools including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m
 guessing too :-)-- Yes, can no longer run WO on my current machine.
 It is dying, and cannot patch it with anymore old parts.

 Plain JSP is what I am thinking of switching to.

 The reason we're stripping out the webobjects from the code is due to the
 server it lies on. It is running on a decade old mac, version 10.5.8.
 My understanding is that i cannot run a webobjects app on a windows box
 (or maybe Red Hat)? Am I correct with my thoughts on that?
 I need a simple Java framework to convert all the code in, JSP is what I
 first thought of, but I'm open to suggestions.
 The application listserv type app, where users are creating, adding,
 removing people form listservs.
 As, one of you mentioned it does use the EOF, so I would need to rewrite
 that, and I don't know much as to what it is involved in there eitehr
 either.
 Any guidance as to what to expect would be greatly appreciated.
 Apologies for the confusing questions.

 Thank you all!


 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Timothy Worman li...@thetimmy.comwrote:

 Golipse should install Eclipse 3.8.2, WOLips, and some other tools, etc.

 Tim

 On Apr 15, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com
 wrote:

  Hi Ada,

 Hey sorry… so many responses and we’re all confused.

 I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development
 tools including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m
 guessing too :-)

 WO 5.4 is pure java. There is nothing to convert.

 When you switch to Eclipse and install the WOLips plugin it will work.
 You don’t need to convert anything.

 Get Eclipse version 3.7.x and WOLips.

 Cheers,
 *AARON ROSENZWEIG* / Chat 'n Bike http://www.chatnbike.com/

 *e:*  aa...@chatnbike.com  *t:*  (301) 956-2319
 [image: Chat 'n Bike][image: Chat 'n Bike]

 On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:16 PM, David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.com
 wrote:

 WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or
 anything). It is a full web publishing stack.

 If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a
 database, if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects
 called EOF.

 The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents
 (each comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings
 file (.wod) to tie them together), and has classes to handle session
 management etc.

 If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then you
 are faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer and
 display layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a simple
 undertaking.

 D

 On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:

 The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO.

 I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on
 Eclipse without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some
 guidance on how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.


 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net
 wrote:
 How is it not pure Java now?

 Chuck


 On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:


 Hello all,

 We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java.
 Wondering if there's a tool which could help with this process. The
 application is running WO 5.4 on Java 5.

 Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Chuck Hill
Hi,

On 2014-04-15, 4:48 PM, Ada wrote:

Thanks all for the responses!

Some answers to your questions:

I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools 
including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve upgraded 
your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your only choice 
is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m guessing too :-)   
 -- Yes, can no longer run WO on my current machine. It is dying, and cannot 
patch it with anymore old parts.

Plain JSP is what I am thinking of switching to.

The reason we're stripping out the webobjects from the code is due to the 
server it lies on. It is running on a decade old mac, version 10.5.8.
My understanding is that i cannot run a webobjects app on a windows box (or 
maybe Red Hat)? Am I correct with my thoughts on that?

If you are running WebObjects 5.4.x, then it will run on any box with JDK 1.5 – 
1.7 (not sure about 1.8).  If you meant WebObjects 4.5.x then that is 
Objective-C based and you have a much worse problem.  As of version 5.0, 
WebObjects is pure java.


Chuck


I need a simple Java framework to convert all the code in, JSP is what I first 
thought of, but I'm open to suggestions.
The application listserv type app, where users are creating, adding, removing 
people form listservs.
As, one of you mentioned it does use the EOF, so I would need to rewrite that, 
and I don't know much as to what it is involved in there eitehr either.
Any guidance as to what to expect would be greatly appreciated.
Apologies for the confusing questions.

Thank you all!


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Timothy Worman 
li...@thetimmy.commailto:li...@thetimmy.com wrote:
Golipse should install Eclipse 3.8.2, WOLips, and some other tools, etc.

Tim

On Apr 15, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig 
aa...@chatnbike.commailto:aa...@chatnbike.com wrote:

Hi Ada,

Hey sorry… so many responses and we’re all confused.

I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools 
including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve upgraded 
your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your only choice 
is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m guessing too :-)

WO 5.4 is pure java. There is nothing to convert.

When you switch to Eclipse and install the WOLips plugin it will work. You 
don’t need to convert anything.

Get Eclipse version 3.7.x and WOLips.

Cheers,
AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bikehttp://www.chatnbike.com/

e:  aa...@chatnbike.commailto:aa...@chatnbike.com  t:  (301) 
956-2319tel:%28301%29%20956-2319

[Chat 'n Bike]  [Chat 'n Bike]

On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:16 PM, David LeBer 
dleber_wo...@codeferous.commailto:dleber_wo...@codeferous.com wrote:

WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or anything). It 
is a full web publishing stack.

If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a database, 
if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects called EOF.

The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents (each 
comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings file (.wod) 
to tie them together), and has classes to handle session management etc.

If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then you are 
faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer and display 
layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a simple undertaking.

D

On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada 
mersi...@gmail.commailto:mersi...@gmail.com wrote:

The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO.
I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on Eclipse 
without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some guidance on 
how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill 
ch...@global-village.netmailto:ch...@global-village.net wrote:
How is it not pure Java now?

Chuck


On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:


Hello all,

We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java. Wondering if 
there's a tool which could help with this process. The application is running 
WO 5.4 on Java 5.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Ada
Lon, wow! I didn't now that. What about Java Monitor where you control the
WebObjects instances running and the WOTaskD?
Do you still need to have them on your linux box?


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Lon Varscsak lon.varsc...@gmail.comwrote:

 Because WebObjects is written in Java, it can pretty much run anywhere you
 need it to.  We almost exclusively deploy our applications on Linux, but
 there are others who deploy on Windows (we call them crazy though :D).

 There was a restriction in the license (I don't remember if this ever
 changed) that required you to do development on a Mac OS X box, but I know
 there are devs that do development on other platforms.

 -Lon


 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks all for the responses!

 Some answers to your questions:

 I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development
 tools including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m
 guessing too :-)-- Yes, can no longer run WO on my current machine.
 It is dying, and cannot patch it with anymore old parts.

 Plain JSP is what I am thinking of switching to.

 The reason we're stripping out the webobjects from the code is due to the
 server it lies on. It is running on a decade old mac, version 10.5.8.
 My understanding is that i cannot run a webobjects app on a windows box
 (or maybe Red Hat)? Am I correct with my thoughts on that?
 I need a simple Java framework to convert all the code in, JSP is what I
 first thought of, but I'm open to suggestions.
 The application listserv type app, where users are creating, adding,
 removing people form listservs.
 As, one of you mentioned it does use the EOF, so I would need to rewrite
 that, and I don't know much as to what it is involved in there eitehr
 either.
 Any guidance as to what to expect would be greatly appreciated.
 Apologies for the confusing questions.

 Thank you all!


 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Timothy Worman li...@thetimmy.comwrote:

 Golipse should install Eclipse 3.8.2, WOLips, and some other tools, etc.

 Tim

 On Apr 15, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com
 wrote:

  Hi Ada,

 Hey sorry… so many responses and we’re all confused.

 I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development
 tools including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m
 guessing too :-)

 WO 5.4 is pure java. There is nothing to convert.

 When you switch to Eclipse and install the WOLips plugin it will work.
 You don’t need to convert anything.

 Get Eclipse version 3.7.x and WOLips.

 Cheers,
 *AARON ROSENZWEIG* / Chat 'n Bike http://www.chatnbike.com/

 *e:*  aa...@chatnbike.com  *t:*  (301) 956-2319
 [image: Chat 'n Bike][image: Chat 'n Bike]

 On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:16 PM, David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.com
 wrote:

 WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or
 anything). It is a full web publishing stack.

 If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a
 database, if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects
 called EOF.

 The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents
 (each comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings
 file (.wod) to tie them together), and has classes to handle session
 management etc.

 If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then you
 are faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer and
 display layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a simple
 undertaking.

 D

 On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:

 The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO.

 I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on
 Eclipse without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some
 guidance on how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.


 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net
 wrote:
 How is it not pure Java now?

 Chuck


 On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:


 Hello all,

 We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java.
 Wondering if there's a tool which could help with this process. The
 application is running WO 5.4 on Java 5.

 Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Chuck Hill
Those are also pure Java WebObjects applications.  You can use Apache’d 
mod_proxy if you really need to not use them.


On 2014-04-15, 5:16 PM, Ada wrote:

Lon, wow! I didn't now that. What about Java Monitor where you control the 
WebObjects instances running and the WOTaskD?
Do you still need to have them on your linux box?


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Lon Varscsak 
lon.varsc...@gmail.commailto:lon.varsc...@gmail.com wrote:
Because WebObjects is written in Java, it can pretty much run anywhere you need 
it to.  We almost exclusively deploy our applications on Linux, but there are 
others who deploy on Windows (we call them crazy though :D).

There was a restriction in the license (I don't remember if this ever changed) 
that required you to do development on a Mac OS X box, but I know there are 
devs that do development on other platforms.

-Lon


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Ada 
mersi...@gmail.commailto:mersi...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks all for the responses!

Some answers to your questions:

I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools 
including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve upgraded 
your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your only choice 
is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m guessing too :-)   
 -- Yes, can no longer run WO on my current machine. It is dying, and cannot 
patch it with anymore old parts.

Plain JSP is what I am thinking of switching to.

The reason we're stripping out the webobjects from the code is due to the 
server it lies on. It is running on a decade old mac, version 10.5.8.
My understanding is that i cannot run a webobjects app on a windows box (or 
maybe Red Hat)? Am I correct with my thoughts on that?
I need a simple Java framework to convert all the code in, JSP is what I first 
thought of, but I'm open to suggestions.
The application listserv type app, where users are creating, adding, removing 
people form listservs.
As, one of you mentioned it does use the EOF, so I would need to rewrite that, 
and I don't know much as to what it is involved in there eitehr either.
Any guidance as to what to expect would be greatly appreciated.
Apologies for the confusing questions.

Thank you all!


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Timothy Worman 
li...@thetimmy.commailto:li...@thetimmy.com wrote:
Golipse should install Eclipse 3.8.2, WOLips, and some other tools, etc.

Tim

On Apr 15, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig 
aa...@chatnbike.commailto:aa...@chatnbike.com wrote:

Hi Ada,

Hey sorry… so many responses and we’re all confused.

I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools 
including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve upgraded 
your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your only choice 
is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m guessing too :-)

WO 5.4 is pure java. There is nothing to convert.

When you switch to Eclipse and install the WOLips plugin it will work. You 
don’t need to convert anything.

Get Eclipse version 3.7.x and WOLips.

Cheers,
AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bikehttp://www.chatnbike.com/

e:  aa...@chatnbike.commailto:aa...@chatnbike.com  t:  (301) 
956-2319tel:%28301%29%20956-2319

[Chat 'n Bike]  [Chat 'n Bike]

On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:16 PM, David LeBer 
dleber_wo...@codeferous.commailto:dleber_wo...@codeferous.com wrote:

WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or anything). It 
is a full web publishing stack.

If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a database, 
if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects called EOF.

The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents (each 
comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings file (.wod) 
to tie them together), and has classes to handle session management etc.

If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then you are 
faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer and display 
layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a simple undertaking.

D

On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada 
mersi...@gmail.commailto:mersi...@gmail.com wrote:

The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO.
I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on Eclipse 
without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some guidance on 
how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill 
ch...@global-village.netmailto:ch...@global-village.net wrote:
How is it not pure Java now?

Chuck


On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:


Hello all,

We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java. Wondering if 
there's a tool which could help with this process. The application is running 
WO 5.4 on Java 5.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated


Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Ada
Chuck, I guess I'd have to go back tomorrow and Check my WO version, but my
gut feeling tells me it is 5.4.2, that was the version released in late '07
early '08 that supported the Mac Intels.


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.netwrote:

  Hi,

   On 2014-04-15, 4:48 PM, Ada wrote:

  Thanks all for the responses!

  Some answers to your questions:

 I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development
 tools including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m
 guessing too :-)-- Yes, can no longer run WO on my current machine.
 It is dying, and cannot patch it with anymore old parts.

  Plain JSP is what I am thinking of switching to.

  The reason we're stripping out the webobjects from the code is due to the
 server it lies on. It is running on a decade old mac, version 10.5.8.
  My understanding is that i cannot run a webobjects app on a windows box
 (or maybe Red Hat)? Am I correct with my thoughts on that?


  If you are running WebObjects 5.4.x, then it will run on any box with
 JDK 1.5 – 1.7 (not sure about 1.8).  If you meant WebObjects 4.5.x then
 that is Objective-C based and you have a much worse problem.  As of version
 5.0, WebObjects is pure java.


  Chuck


  I need a simple Java framework to convert all the code in, JSP is
 what I first thought of, but I'm open to suggestions.
  The application listserv type app, where users are creating, adding,
 removing people form listservs.
  As, one of you mentioned it does use the EOF, so I would need to rewrite
 that, and I don't know much as to what it is involved in there eitehr
 either.
  Any guidance as to what to expect would be greatly appreciated.
 Apologies for the confusing questions.

  Thank you all!


 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Timothy Worman li...@thetimmy.comwrote:

  Golipse should install Eclipse 3.8.2, WOLips, and some other tools, etc.

  Tim

  On Apr 15, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com
 wrote:

   Hi Ada,

  Hey sorry… so many responses and we’re all confused.

  I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development
 tools including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m
 guessing too :-)

  WO 5.4 is pure java. There is nothing to convert.

  When you switch to Eclipse and install the WOLips plugin it will work.
 You don’t need to convert anything.

  Get Eclipse version 3.7.x and WOLips.

  Cheers,
 *AARON ROSENZWEIG* / Chat 'n Bike http://www.chatnbike.com/

 *e:*  aa...@chatnbike.com  *t:*  (301) 956-2319 %28301%29%20956-2319
   [image: Chat 'n Bike] [image: Chat 'n Bike]

  On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:16 PM, David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.com
 wrote:

  WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or
 anything). It is a full web publishing stack.

 If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a
 database, if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects
 called EOF.

 The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents
 (each comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings
 file (.wod) to tie them together), and has classes to handle session
 management etc.

 If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then you
 are faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer and
 display layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a simple
 undertaking.

 D

 On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:

 The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO.

 I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on
 Eclipse without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some
 guidance on how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.


 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net
 wrote:
 How is it not pure Java now?

 Chuck


 On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:


 Hello all,

 We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java.
 Wondering if there's a tool which could help with this process. The
 application is running WO 5.4 on Java 5.

 Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Ada
So I should be able to take this app as it stands now and deploy it on a
linux box without any code change if I wanted to?


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Chuck, I guess I'd have to go back tomorrow and Check my WO version, but
 my gut feeling tells me it is 5.4.2, that was the version released in late
 '07 early '08 that supported the Mac Intels.


 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.netwrote:

  Hi,

   On 2014-04-15, 4:48 PM, Ada wrote:

  Thanks all for the responses!

  Some answers to your questions:

 I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development
 tools including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m
 guessing too :-)-- Yes, can no longer run WO on my current machine.
 It is dying, and cannot patch it with anymore old parts.

  Plain JSP is what I am thinking of switching to.

  The reason we're stripping out the webobjects from the code is due to
 the server it lies on. It is running on a decade old mac, version 10.5.8.
  My understanding is that i cannot run a webobjects app on a windows box
 (or maybe Red Hat)? Am I correct with my thoughts on that?


  If you are running WebObjects 5.4.x, then it will run on any box with
 JDK 1.5 – 1.7 (not sure about 1.8).  If you meant WebObjects 4.5.x then
 that is Objective-C based and you have a much worse problem.  As of version
 5.0, WebObjects is pure java.


  Chuck


  I need a simple Java framework to convert all the code in, JSP is
 what I first thought of, but I'm open to suggestions.
  The application listserv type app, where users are creating, adding,
 removing people form listservs.
  As, one of you mentioned it does use the EOF, so I would need to rewrite
 that, and I don't know much as to what it is involved in there eitehr
 either.
  Any guidance as to what to expect would be greatly appreciated.
 Apologies for the confusing questions.

  Thank you all!


 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Timothy Worman li...@thetimmy.comwrote:

  Golipse should install Eclipse 3.8.2, WOLips, and some other tools,
 etc.

  Tim

  On Apr 15, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com
 wrote:

   Hi Ada,

  Hey sorry… so many responses and we’re all confused.

  I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development
 tools including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m
 guessing too :-)

  WO 5.4 is pure java. There is nothing to convert.

  When you switch to Eclipse and install the WOLips plugin it will work.
 You don’t need to convert anything.

  Get Eclipse version 3.7.x and WOLips.

  Cheers,
 *AARON ROSENZWEIG* / Chat 'n Bike http://www.chatnbike.com/

 *e:*  aa...@chatnbike.com  *t:*  (301) 956-2319 %28301%29%20956-2319
   [image: Chat 'n Bike] [image: Chat 'n Bike]

  On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:16 PM, David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.com
 wrote:

  WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or
 anything). It is a full web publishing stack.

 If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a
 database, if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects
 called EOF.

 The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents
 (each comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings
 file (.wod) to tie them together), and has classes to handle session
 management etc.

 If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then you
 are faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer and
 display layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a simple
 undertaking.

 D

 On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:

 The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO.

 I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on
 Eclipse without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some
 guidance on how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.


 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net
 wrote:
 How is it not pure Java now?

 Chuck


 On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:


 Hello all,

 We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java.
 Wondering if there's a tool which could help with this process. The
 application is running WO 5.4 on Java 5.

 Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Chuck Hill
You probably also want to update to 5.4.3 which has some useful bug fixes.  See 
Getting Started here http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/Home

WebObjects was pure Java by the start of the Mac Intel era.
Chuck


On 2014-04-15, 5:24 PM, Ada wrote:

Chuck, I guess I'd have to go back tomorrow and Check my WO version, but my gut 
feeling tells me it is 5.4.2, that was the version released in late '07 early 
'08 that supported the Mac Intels.


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Chuck Hill 
ch...@global-village.netmailto:ch...@global-village.net wrote:
Hi,

On 2014-04-15, 4:48 PM, Ada wrote:

Thanks all for the responses!

Some answers to your questions:

I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools 
including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve upgraded 
your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your only choice 
is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m guessing too :-)   
 -- Yes, can no longer run WO on my current machine. It is dying, and cannot 
patch it with anymore old parts.

Plain JSP is what I am thinking of switching to.

The reason we're stripping out the webobjects from the code is due to the 
server it lies on. It is running on a decade old mac, version 10.5.8.
My understanding is that i cannot run a webobjects app on a windows box (or 
maybe Red Hat)? Am I correct with my thoughts on that?

If you are running WebObjects 5.4.x, then it will run on any box with JDK 1.5 – 
1.7 (not sure about 1.8).  If you meant WebObjects 4.5.x then that is 
Objective-C based and you have a much worse problem.  As of version 5.0, 
WebObjects is pure java.


Chuck


I need a simple Java framework to convert all the code in, JSP is what I first 
thought of, but I'm open to suggestions.
The application listserv type app, where users are creating, adding, removing 
people form listservs.
As, one of you mentioned it does use the EOF, so I would need to rewrite that, 
and I don't know much as to what it is involved in there eitehr either.
Any guidance as to what to expect would be greatly appreciated.
Apologies for the confusing questions.

Thank you all!


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Timothy Worman 
li...@thetimmy.commailto:li...@thetimmy.com wrote:
Golipse should install Eclipse 3.8.2, WOLips, and some other tools, etc.

Tim

On Apr 15, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig 
aa...@chatnbike.commailto:aa...@chatnbike.com wrote:

Hi Ada,

Hey sorry… so many responses and we’re all confused.

I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools 
including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve upgraded 
your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your only choice 
is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m guessing too :-)

WO 5.4 is pure java. There is nothing to convert.

When you switch to Eclipse and install the WOLips plugin it will work. You 
don’t need to convert anything.

Get Eclipse version 3.7.x and WOLips.

Cheers,
AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bikehttp://www.chatnbike.com/

e:  aa...@chatnbike.commailto:aa...@chatnbike.com  t:  (301) 
956-2319tel:%28301%29%20956-2319

[Chat 'n Bike]  [Chat 'n Bike]

On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:16 PM, David LeBer 
dleber_wo...@codeferous.commailto:dleber_wo...@codeferous.com wrote:

WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or anything). It 
is a full web publishing stack.

If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a database, 
if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects called EOF.

The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents (each 
comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings file (.wod) 
to tie them together), and has classes to handle session management etc.

If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then you are 
faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer and display 
layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a simple undertaking.

D

On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada 
mersi...@gmail.commailto:mersi...@gmail.com wrote:

The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO.
I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on Eclipse 
without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some guidance on 
how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill 
ch...@global-village.netmailto:ch...@global-village.net wrote:
How is it not pure Java now?

Chuck


On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:


Hello all,

We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java. Wondering if 
there's a tool which could help with this process. The application is running 
WO 5.4 on Java 5.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

___
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Webobjects-dev 

Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Chuck Hill
Yes.


On 2014-04-15, 5:25 PM, Ada wrote:

So I should be able to take this app as it stands now and deploy it on a linux 
box without any code change if I wanted to?


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Ada 
mersi...@gmail.commailto:mersi...@gmail.com wrote:
Chuck, I guess I'd have to go back tomorrow and Check my WO version, but my gut 
feeling tells me it is 5.4.2, that was the version released in late '07 early 
'08 that supported the Mac Intels.


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Chuck Hill 
ch...@global-village.netmailto:ch...@global-village.net wrote:
Hi,

On 2014-04-15, 4:48 PM, Ada wrote:

Thanks all for the responses!

Some answers to your questions:

I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools 
including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve upgraded 
your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your only choice 
is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m guessing too :-)   
 -- Yes, can no longer run WO on my current machine. It is dying, and cannot 
patch it with anymore old parts.

Plain JSP is what I am thinking of switching to.

The reason we're stripping out the webobjects from the code is due to the 
server it lies on. It is running on a decade old mac, version 10.5.8.
My understanding is that i cannot run a webobjects app on a windows box (or 
maybe Red Hat)? Am I correct with my thoughts on that?

If you are running WebObjects 5.4.x, then it will run on any box with JDK 1.5 – 
1.7 (not sure about 1.8).  If you meant WebObjects 4.5.x then that is 
Objective-C based and you have a much worse problem.  As of version 5.0, 
WebObjects is pure java.


Chuck


I need a simple Java framework to convert all the code in, JSP is what I first 
thought of, but I'm open to suggestions.
The application listserv type app, where users are creating, adding, removing 
people form listservs.
As, one of you mentioned it does use the EOF, so I would need to rewrite that, 
and I don't know much as to what it is involved in there eitehr either.
Any guidance as to what to expect would be greatly appreciated.
Apologies for the confusing questions.

Thank you all!


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Timothy Worman 
li...@thetimmy.commailto:li...@thetimmy.com wrote:
Golipse should install Eclipse 3.8.2, WOLips, and some other tools, etc.

Tim

On Apr 15, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig 
aa...@chatnbike.commailto:aa...@chatnbike.com wrote:

Hi Ada,

Hey sorry… so many responses and we’re all confused.

I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools 
including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve upgraded 
your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your only choice 
is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m guessing too :-)

WO 5.4 is pure java. There is nothing to convert.

When you switch to Eclipse and install the WOLips plugin it will work. You 
don’t need to convert anything.

Get Eclipse version 3.7.x and WOLips.

Cheers,
AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bikehttp://www.chatnbike.com/

e:  aa...@chatnbike.commailto:aa...@chatnbike.com  t:  (301) 
956-2319tel:%28301%29%20956-2319

[Chat 'n Bike]  [Chat 'n Bike]

On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:16 PM, David LeBer 
dleber_wo...@codeferous.commailto:dleber_wo...@codeferous.com wrote:

WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or anything). It 
is a full web publishing stack.

If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a database, 
if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects called EOF.

The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents (each 
comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings file (.wod) 
to tie them together), and has classes to handle session management etc.

If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then you are 
faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer and display 
layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a simple undertaking.

D

On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada 
mersi...@gmail.commailto:mersi...@gmail.com wrote:

The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO.
I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on Eclipse 
without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some guidance on 
how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill 
ch...@global-village.netmailto:ch...@global-village.net wrote:
How is it not pure Java now?

Chuck


On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:


Hello all,

We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java. Wondering if 
there's a tool which could help with this process. The application is running 
WO 5.4 on Java 5.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

___
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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread David LeBer
Ada,

As long as your app is platform agnostic (i.e, not using JNI to call platform 
specific code etc), then you should have no problem moving to non OS X for 
deployment.

In fact after the demise of the Xserve, many folks in the community shifted 
their deployment to some form of linux distro. Many are deploying in the cloud 
or on commodity hardware in co-lo facilities.

When we made the move, we had some native image resizing code we needed to 
revise, but other than that moving to Linode for deployment for us was pretty 
straightforward.

D

On Apr 15, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:

 Yes.
 
 
 On 2014-04-15, 5:25 PM, Ada wrote:
 
 So I should be able to take this app as it stands now and deploy it on a 
 linux box without any code change if I wanted to?
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Chuck, I guess I'd have to go back tomorrow and Check my WO version, but my 
 gut feeling tells me it is 5.4.2, that was the version released in late '07 
 early '08 that supported the Mac Intels.
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On 2014-04-15, 4:48 PM, Ada wrote:
 
 Thanks all for the responses!
 
 Some answers to your questions:
 
 I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools 
 including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve 
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your 
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m 
 guessing too :-)-- Yes, can no longer run WO on my current machine. It 
 is dying, and cannot patch it with anymore old parts.
 
 Plain JSP is what I am thinking of switching to.
 
 The reason we're stripping out the webobjects from the code is due to the 
 server it lies on. It is running on a decade old mac, version 10.5.8.
 My understanding is that i cannot run a webobjects app on a windows box (or 
 maybe Red Hat)? Am I correct with my thoughts on that?
 
 If you are running WebObjects 5.4.x, then it will run on any box with JDK 1.5 
 – 1.7 (not sure about 1.8).  If you meant WebObjects 4.5.x then that is 
 Objective-C based and you have a much worse problem.  As of version 5.0, 
 WebObjects is pure java.
 
 
 Chuck
 
 
 I need a simple Java framework to convert all the code in, JSP is what I 
 first thought of, but I'm open to suggestions.
 The application listserv type app, where users are creating, adding, removing 
 people form listservs.
 As, one of you mentioned it does use the EOF, so I would need to rewrite 
 that, and I don't know much as to what it is involved in there eitehr either.
 Any guidance as to what to expect would be greatly appreciated.
 Apologies for the confusing questions.
 
 Thank you all!
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Timothy Worman li...@thetimmy.com wrote:
 Golipse should install Eclipse 3.8.2, WOLips, and some other tools, etc.
 
 Tim
 
 On Apr 15, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com wrote:
 
 Hi Ada,
 
 Hey sorry… so many responses and we’re all confused.
 
 I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools 
 including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve 
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your 
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m 
 guessing too :-)
 
 WO 5.4 is pure java. There is nothing to convert.
 
 When you switch to Eclipse and install the WOLips plugin it will work. You 
 don’t need to convert anything.
 
 Get Eclipse version 3.7.x and WOLips.
 
 Cheers,
 AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike
 
 e:  aa...@chatnbike.com  t:  (301) 956-2319
  
 
 On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:16 PM, David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.com wrote:
 
 WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or anything). 
 It is a full web publishing stack.
 
 If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a 
 database, if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects 
 called EOF.
 
 The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents (each 
 comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings file 
 (.wod) to tie them together), and has classes to handle session management 
 etc.
 
 If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then you 
 are faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer and 
 display layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a simple 
 undertaking.
 
 D
 
 On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO. 
 I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on 
 Eclipse without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some 
 guidance on how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill 

Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Pascal Robert
Yes:

http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/documentation/Deploying+on+Linux

With the packages, it will take five minutes. Proof? 
http://wocommunity.org/podcasts/wowodc/2014/Linux.mp4

 So I should be able to take this app as it stands now and deploy it on a 
 linux box without any code change if I wanted to?
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Chuck, I guess I'd have to go back tomorrow and Check my WO version, but my 
 gut feeling tells me it is 5.4.2, that was the version released in late '07 
 early '08 that supported the Mac Intels.
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On 2014-04-15, 4:48 PM, Ada wrote:
 
 Thanks all for the responses!
 
 Some answers to your questions:
 
 I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools 
 including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve 
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your 
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m 
 guessing too :-)-- Yes, can no longer run WO on my current machine. It 
 is dying, and cannot patch it with anymore old parts.
 
 Plain JSP is what I am thinking of switching to.
 
 The reason we're stripping out the webobjects from the code is due to the 
 server it lies on. It is running on a decade old mac, version 10.5.8.
 My understanding is that i cannot run a webobjects app on a windows box (or 
 maybe Red Hat)? Am I correct with my thoughts on that?
 
 If you are running WebObjects 5.4.x, then it will run on any box with JDK 1.5 
 – 1.7 (not sure about 1.8).  If you meant WebObjects 4.5.x then that is 
 Objective-C based and you have a much worse problem.  As of version 5.0, 
 WebObjects is pure java.
 
 
 Chuck
 
 
 I need a simple Java framework to convert all the code in, JSP is what I 
 first thought of, but I'm open to suggestions.
 The application listserv type app, where users are creating, adding, removing 
 people form listservs.
 As, one of you mentioned it does use the EOF, so I would need to rewrite 
 that, and I don't know much as to what it is involved in there eitehr either.
 Any guidance as to what to expect would be greatly appreciated.
 Apologies for the confusing questions.
 
 Thank you all!
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Timothy Worman li...@thetimmy.com wrote:
 Golipse should install Eclipse 3.8.2, WOLips, and some other tools, etc.
 
 Tim
 
 On Apr 15, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com wrote:
 
 Hi Ada,
 
 Hey sorry… so many responses and we’re all confused.
 
 I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development tools 
 including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve 
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your 
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m 
 guessing too :-)
 
 WO 5.4 is pure java. There is nothing to convert.
 
 When you switch to Eclipse and install the WOLips plugin it will work. You 
 don’t need to convert anything.
 
 Get Eclipse version 3.7.x and WOLips.
 
 Cheers,
 AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike
 
 e:  aa...@chatnbike.com  t:  (301) 956-2319
  
 
 On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:16 PM, David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.com wrote:
 
 WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or anything). 
 It is a full web publishing stack.
 
 If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a 
 database, if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects 
 called EOF.
 
 The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents (each 
 comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings file 
 (.wod) to tie them together), and has classes to handle session management 
 etc.
 
 If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then you 
 are faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer and 
 display layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a simple 
 undertaking.
 
 D
 
 On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize WO. 
 I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on 
 Eclipse without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some 
 guidance on how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net 
 wrote:
 How is it not pure Java now?
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:
 
 
 Hello all,
 
 We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java. 
 Wondering if there's a tool which could help with this process. The 
 application is running WO 5.4 on Java 5.
 
 Any advice would be greatly appreciated
 
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Re: Convert WebObjects app to pure java

2014-04-15 Thread Ada
Thank you so much!


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:

 Yes:

 http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/documentation/Deploying+on+Linux

 With the packages, it will take five minutes. Proof?
 http://wocommunity.org/podcasts/wowodc/2014/Linux.mp4

  So I should be able to take this app as it stands now and deploy it on a
 linux box without any code change if I wanted to?
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:
  Chuck, I guess I'd have to go back tomorrow and Check my WO version, but
 my gut feeling tells me it is 5.4.2, that was the version released in late
 '07 early '08 that supported the Mac Intels.
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net
 wrote:
  Hi,
 
  On 2014-04-15, 4:48 PM, Ada wrote:
 
  Thanks all for the responses!
 
  Some answers to your questions:
 
  I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development
 tools including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m
 guessing too :-)-- Yes, can no longer run WO on my current machine.
 It is dying, and cannot patch it with anymore old parts.
 
  Plain JSP is what I am thinking of switching to.
 
  The reason we're stripping out the webobjects from the code is due to
 the server it lies on. It is running on a decade old mac, version 10.5.8.
  My understanding is that i cannot run a webobjects app on a windows box
 (or maybe Red Hat)? Am I correct with my thoughts on that?
 
  If you are running WebObjects 5.4.x, then it will run on any box with
 JDK 1.5 – 1.7 (not sure about 1.8).  If you meant WebObjects 4.5.x then
 that is Objective-C based and you have a much worse problem.  As of version
 5.0, WebObjects is pure java.
 
 
  Chuck
 
 
  I need a simple Java framework to convert all the code in, JSP is what I
 first thought of, but I'm open to suggestions.
  The application listserv type app, where users are creating, adding,
 removing people form listservs.
  As, one of you mentioned it does use the EOF, so I would need to rewrite
 that, and I don't know much as to what it is involved in there eitehr
 either.
  Any guidance as to what to expect would be greatly appreciated.
  Apologies for the confusing questions.
 
  Thank you all!
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Timothy Worman li...@thetimmy.com
 wrote:
  Golipse should install Eclipse 3.8.2, WOLips, and some other tools, etc.
 
  Tim
 
  On Apr 15, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi Ada,
 
  Hey sorry… so many responses and we’re all confused.
 
  I think what you are saying is that you were using Apple Development
 tools including Xcode and WOBuilder to design your apps but now… now you’ve
 upgraded your Mac and you can’t run them anymore…. You sorta know that your
 only choice is to go Eclipse… does this sound like your situation? I’m
 guessing too :-)
 
  WO 5.4 is pure java. There is nothing to convert.
 
  When you switch to Eclipse and install the WOLips plugin it will work.
 You don’t need to convert anything.
 
  Get Eclipse version 3.7.x and WOLips.
 
  Cheers,
  AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike
 
  e:  aa...@chatnbike.com  t:  (301) 956-2319
 
 
  On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:16 PM, David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.com
 wrote:
 
  WebObjects *is* pure java (there is no magic ‘other’ language or
 anything). It is a full web publishing stack.
 
  If you have a WebObjects application, you are probably talking to a
 database, if so that uses the entity relational mapping layer of WebObjects
 called EOF.
 
  The display layer of the stack builds UI elements using WOComponents
 (each comprised of a chunk of HTML, it’s associated Java and a bindings
 file (.wod) to tie them together), and has classes to handle session
 management etc.
 
  If by “pure java” you mean “unencumbered by Apple’s frameworks” then
 you are faced with rewriting your application to use a different ERM layer
 and display layer. Perhaps Tapestry/Cayenne. Regardless, this is not a
 simple undertaking.
 
  D
 
  On Apr 15, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Ada mersi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The GUI of the app is in webobjects; there's components which utilize
 WO.
  I am not sure what to expect if I were to take the code and run it on
 Eclipse without WOLips, I am going to try that soon, but was looking some
 guidance on how to rewrite the GUI (it is rather simple) into Java.
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net
 wrote:
  How is it not pure Java now?
 
  Chuck
 
 
  On 2014-04-15, 12:25 PM, Ada wrote:
 
 
  Hello all,
 
  We're looking to convert one of our WebObjects Apps to pure java.
 Wondering if there's a tool which could help with this process. The
 application is running WO 5.4 on Java 5.
 
  Any advice would be greatly appreciated
 
  

Re: What stands in the way becomes the way

2014-04-15 Thread Daniel Beatty
Hi,
I love the chair Aaron has in the picture.  If you don't mind me asking, how is 
it for the back?  Do they make versions of that chair for people with really 
bad backs with an addiction to WebObjects and WOnder?

V/R,
Dan Beatty


On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Lon Varscsak lon.varsc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Did you stop off in Colorado for some recreation on your way home? ;)
 
 -Lon 
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com 
 wrote:
 I am now in “battle position” (see the two attached photos). Back from Quebec 
 and slamming code.
 
 Thanks to all who attended and made this year another great gathering of 
 minds and spirits. WOWODC in Montreal was a blast, perhaps a year from now 
 we’ll all meet in Germany.
 
 Not all of us could attend this year, but many of us really wanted to. Here 
 are many photos of various moments from the conference. Included is Dave 
 Avendasora splitting a tree trunk in two with an axe:
 
 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ubzada5a4l7k7sn/W1LYmaVKoV
 
 Thanks to Maik Musall we have the state of the wocommunity video integrated 
 with Pascal’s recognition ceremony. You can find that here:
 
 http://wocommunity.org/podcasts/wowodc/2014/StateOfTheCommunity.mp4
 
 My presentation slides are available:
 
 http://www.chatnbike.com/presentation_existsQualifier/
 
 Everyone is encouraged to think and reflect on what we are doing, and why we 
 are here.
 
 A Roman emperor may have said it best:
 
 What stands in the way becomes the way”
 
 I looked it up, his name was Marcus Aurelius and his full statement was:
 
 The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the 
 way.”
 
 The modern version of this is:
 
 “When life gives you lemons, make some lemonade.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_life_gives_you_lemons,_make_lemonade
 
 It’s embodied in a country song from Garth Brooks called “Unanswered Prayers”:
 http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/garthbrooks/unansweredprayers.html
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKqZjgIfxe0
 
 Garth remembers his high school girlfriend whom he wanted to marry and be 
 with forever but it was not to be. Years later he bumped into her and 
 reflected on the way his life is now. He is so glad they didn’t get married. 
 
 What does this have to do with WO? What does it have to do with us?
 
 We have enjoyed using a set of closed-source tools for many years. We’ve 
 learned a lot and have solved real problems for real people. 
 
 We must accept that these tools we love will never be open-sourced. 
 
 But we are not simply a bunch of WO programmers. Rather, we are “real 
 thinkers” who sometimes choose to use WO to help solve real problems. The key 
 word is “choose” to use WO. 
 
 Some of us will continue using the tools as they are for a few years. Others 
 of us will make something even better. Others still will move on to other 
 technology. 
 
 I’m glad WO will never be free. Now that I’ve accepted this, I am free.
 
 “There is no knowledge which is not power!”
 
 Let’s take what we’ve learned and move forward. Let’s move beyond the borders 
 of current reality.
 
 I hope many of us board the “treasure boat.” Others have already taken our 
 treasures to the “seaside” or created a “montage” of new ideas infused with 
 old. I love it all. (Those words have weight, google all three of them)
 
 Remember this! We can always tell the difference between a “want-to-be” and 
 the “real deal.” 
 
 “Want-to-bes”  are drawn to stories of overnight success. They look for what 
 “big names” are doing. They attempt to copy the success of the famous. They 
 want fast cars and faster women. 
 
 “Want-to-bes” look for shortcuts. They look for charismatic leaders. They 
 drool to find the latest trick from the guru. They follow the common path and 
 guess what? They get common results. 
 
 “Want-to-bes” are fear driven. They are afraid of missing out. They hope to 
 catch the next big wave just as it is starting and ride it through to riches 
 with little work. They are scared but never admit it.
 
 “Want-to-bes” want to be taken care of and trust in somebody or something.
 
 “Real deals” overcome life’s many challenges. They sweat. They fail. They get 
 up. They keep going. They drive a mini-van. If they have a fast car it 
 probably has a “wankel” engine in it because it does more with less. If they 
 have a trophy wife, she has brains and charms to match. 
 
 “Real deals” look for mastery. They look for community. They look for “give 
 and take.” They look for understanding the principles of success not just 
 following someone’s previous steps of achieving it. They build friendships of 
 mutual respect. A veritable brotherhood / sisterhood of champions covering 
 for each other in battle. 
 
 “Real deals” are fearless. They pathologically avoid mindless imitation. They 
 are like Bruce lee: learn from everyone, take what makes sense to you, reject 
 the rest, make your own style. They question, they break, they 

Re: What stands in the way becomes the way

2014-04-15 Thread Louis Demers
Wow...

Sometimes, the only thing that gets me away from an long intense coding session 
is the need to go lie down...
I'm afraid to think what would happen to me if I had this setup ...

As for your thoughts, there is a lot to reflect on and digest...

and I must say that this year, again, I was impressed by the quality of the 
membership and especially the presenters.
Depth... Professionalism... Intelligence, Thanks.

I felt privileged to have a front row seats to the technical discussion as well 
as those regarding the community.

I too feel we finally matured about the situation around WO and are moving on.
When I see all the new things people are doing, it certainly does not look to 
me like we are bound by the curent state of WO.

Our real challenge will to find the critical mass of resources to push forward 
in whatever direction we choose.

And maybe... that's because we are too busy producing stuff that works with 
exactly the tools we have now !


Thanks again to all.

On Apr 15, 2014, at 15:24, Aaron Rosenzweig aa...@chatnbike.com wrote:

 I am now in “battle position” (see the two attached photos). Back from Quebec 
 and slamming code.
 
 Thanks to all who attended and made this year another great gathering of 
 minds and spirits. WOWODC in Montreal was a blast, perhaps a year from now 
 we’ll all meet in Germany.
 
 Not all of us could attend this year, but many of us really wanted to. Here 
 are many photos of various moments from the conference. Included is Dave 
 Avendasora splitting a tree trunk in two with an axe:
 
 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ubzada5a4l7k7sn/W1LYmaVKoV
 
 Thanks to Maik Musall we have the state of the wocommunity video integrated 
 with Pascal’s recognition ceremony. You can find that here:
 
 http://wocommunity.org/podcasts/wowodc/2014/StateOfTheCommunity.mp4
 
 My presentation slides are available:
 
 http://www.chatnbike.com/presentation_existsQualifier/
 
 Everyone is encouraged to think and reflect on what we are doing, and why we 
 are here.
 
 A Roman emperor may have said it best:
 
 What stands in the way becomes the way”
 
 I looked it up, his name was Marcus Aurelius and his full statement was:
 
 The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the 
 way.”
 
 The modern version of this is:
 
 “When life gives you lemons, make some lemonade.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_life_gives_you_lemons,_make_lemonade
 
 It’s embodied in a country song from Garth Brooks called “Unanswered Prayers”:
 http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/garthbrooks/unansweredprayers.html
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKqZjgIfxe0
 
 Garth remembers his high school girlfriend whom he wanted to marry and be 
 with forever but it was not to be. Years later he bumped into her and 
 reflected on the way his life is now. He is so glad they didn’t get married. 
 
 What does this have to do with WO? What does it have to do with us?
 
 We have enjoyed using a set of closed-source tools for many years. We’ve 
 learned a lot and have solved real problems for real people. 
 
 We must accept that these tools we love will never be open-sourced. 
 
 But we are not simply a bunch of WO programmers. Rather, we are “real 
 thinkers” who sometimes choose to use WO to help solve real problems. The key 
 word is “choose” to use WO. 
 
 Some of us will continue using the tools as they are for a few years. Others 
 of us will make something even better. Others still will move on to other 
 technology. 
 
 I’m glad WO will never be free. Now that I’ve accepted this, I am free.
 
 “There is no knowledge which is not power!”
 
 Let’s take what we’ve learned and move forward. Let’s move beyond the borders 
 of current reality.
 
 I hope many of us board the “treasure boat.” Others have already taken our 
 treasures to the “seaside” or created a “montage” of new ideas infused with 
 old. I love it all. (Those words have weight, google all three of them)
 
 Remember this! We can always tell the difference between a “want-to-be” and 
 the “real deal.” 
 
 “Want-to-bes”  are drawn to stories of overnight success. They look for what 
 “big names” are doing. They attempt to copy the success of the famous. They 
 want fast cars and faster women. 
 
 “Want-to-bes” look for shortcuts. They look for charismatic leaders. They 
 drool to find the latest trick from the guru. They follow the common path and 
 guess what? They get common results. 
 
 “Want-to-bes” are fear driven. They are afraid of missing out. They hope to 
 catch the next big wave just as it is starting and ride it through to riches 
 with little work. They are scared but never admit it.
 
 “Want-to-bes” want to be taken care of and trust in somebody or something.
 
 “Real deals” overcome life’s many challenges. They sweat. They fail. They get 
 up. They keep going. They drive a mini-van. If they have a fast car it 
 probably has a “wankel” engine in it because it does more with less. If they 
 have a trophy wife, she has brains 

Re: What stands in the way becomes the way

2014-04-15 Thread Aaron Rosenzweig
Hi Dan,

I got it from the “Healthy Back Store” so I guess it’s ok ;-) I spend most of 
my time in the “zero gravity” position.

It’s kinda funny when you video conference with me. It looks like I’m on the 
space station.

Hahah, sometimes when people come to service the furnace, etc. they assume I’m 
a vegetable. They have that look of pity on their face you know. Usually I just 
go with it, have some fun.

Actually, sometimes I move the chair and adjust the arm to use it as a standing 
desk. Variation can be good.

It comes from France, the brand is “La Fuma.” It should run around $150 USD. It 
is meant to be an outdoor chair but I use it indoors. It’s a folding chair that 
can be moved out of the way or taken with you. The “lacing” breaks every 6 
months from daily use. It’s like a long shoe-lace. 

It’s basically the poor man’s gravitonus:
http://gravitonus.com
AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike
e:  aa...@chatnbike.com  t:  (301) 956-2319 


On Apr 15, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Daniel Beatty danielbea...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi,
 I love the chair Aaron has in the picture.  If you don't mind me asking, how 
 is it for the back?  Do they make versions of that chair for people with 
 really bad backs with an addiction to WebObjects and WOnder?
 
 V/R,
 Dan Beatty

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