Re: Announcement: EROldFart Interface and a solid default implementation
Cheers Happy birthday Chuck Nice work Dave, I think the pull request should be accepted without much concern. Ângelo 2014-05-30 12:30 GMT-03:00 David Avendasora webobje...@avendasora.com: In honor of Chuck’s 50th birthday... https://github.com/wocommunity/wonder/pull/583/files Yours in Beer, Dave Avendasora — *WebObjects** - so easy that even Dave Avendasora can do it!™* — *David Avendasora* Senior Software Abuser Nekesto, Inc. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/aacirino%40gmail.com This email sent to aacir...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Announcement: EROldFart Interface and a solid default implementation
Ken Ishimoto actually merged it about 30 seconds after I submitted it! On May 30, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Ângelo Andrade Cirino aacir...@gmail.com wrote: Cheers Happy birthday Chuck Nice work Dave, I think the pull request should be accepted without much concern. Ângelo 2014-05-30 12:30 GMT-03:00 David Avendasora webobje...@avendasora.com: In honor of Chuck’s 50th birthday... https://github.com/wocommunity/wonder/pull/583/files Yours in Beer, Dave Avendasora — WebObjects - so easy that even Dave Avendasora can do it!™ — David Avendasora Senior Software Abuser Nekesto, Inc. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/aacirino%40gmail.com This email sent to aacir...@gmail.com — WebObjects - so easy that even Dave Avendasora can do it!™ — David Avendasora Senior Software Abuser Nekesto, Inc. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Announcement: EROldFart Interface and a solid default implementation
That is really good stuff. Happy birthday Chuck. My favorite part is the default case for process(memory). :-) Tim UCLA GSEIS On May 30, 2014, at 8:41 AM, David Avendasora webobje...@avendasora.com wrote: Ken Ishimoto actually merged it about 30 seconds after I submitted it! On May 30, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Ângelo Andrade Cirino aacir...@gmail.com wrote: Cheers Happy birthday Chuck Nice work Dave, I think the pull request should be accepted without much concern. Ângelo 2014-05-30 12:30 GMT-03:00 David Avendasora webobje...@avendasora.com: In honor of Chuck’s 50th birthday... https://github.com/wocommunity/wonder/pull/583/files Yours in Beer, Dave Avendasora — WebObjects - so easy that even Dave Avendasora can do it!™ — David Avendasora Senior Software Abuser Nekesto, Inc. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/aacirino%40gmail.com This email sent to aacir...@gmail.com — WebObjects - so easy that even Dave Avendasora can do it!™ — David Avendasora Senior Software Abuser Nekesto, Inc. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Announcement: EROldFart Interface and a solid default implementation
It is frighteningly accurate! On 2014-05-30, 9:48 AM, Timothy Worman wrote: That is really good stuff. Happy birthday Chuck. My favorite part is the default case for process(memory). :-) Tim UCLA GSEIS On May 30, 2014, at 8:41 AM, David Avendasora webobje...@avendasora.commailto:webobje...@avendasora.com wrote: Ken Ishimoto actually merged it about 30 seconds after I submitted it! On May 30, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Ângelo Andrade Cirino aacir...@gmail.commailto:aacir...@gmail.com wrote: Cheers Happy birthday Chuck Nice work Dave, I think the pull request should be accepted without much concern. Ângelo 2014-05-30 12:30 GMT-03:00 David Avendasora webobje...@avendasora.commailto:webobje...@avendasora.com: In honor of Chuck’s 50th birthday... https://github.com/wocommunity/wonder/pull/583/files Yours in Beer, Dave Avendasora — WebObjects - so easy that even Dave Avendasora can do it!™ — David Avendasora Senior Software Abuser Nekesto, Inc. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.commailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/aacirino%40gmail.com This email sent to aacir...@gmail.commailto:aacir...@gmail.com — WebObjects - so easy that even Dave Avendasora can do it!™ — David Avendasora Senior Software Abuser Nekesto, Inc. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.commailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com This email sent to li...@thetimmy.commailto:li...@thetimmy.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 23/04/2010, at 11:57 AM, Joe Little wrote: As I've mentioned to Chuck -- if I had to do Spring + Hibernate, I'd only go with Grails, as the GORM approach is far better than just being stuck with Hibernate Criteria. Personal oases vs having a career... hmm, let me think :) Seriously, the system I'm now working with is big. Java is the main consideration thus far. with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 23/04/2010, at 10:20 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote: Congratulations Lachlan, This is a great moment for your family. Thanks! It is indeed. The only thing you have to worry about is that once they grow up; they will notice you spending too much time working with your computer...at least that is what mine do Yep, someone else was noticing that before. Hopefully history won't repeat itself with a little self discipline :) They grow up too fast and it's too easy to miss it. with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hey Timo, On 23/04/2010, at 6:51 PM, Timo Hoepfner wrote: Congratulations Lachlan for your family addition. In my experience, life gets easier again somewhere between the age of 1 and 2 years. This is from someone with 3 daughters... :) Cool. Looking forward to it. At least by then He'll be able to tell me what's making him upset :-) He was really unsettled today and I've had to avoid having too much contact with him whilst I've got a cold. Regarding your new job: I hope you will stay around anyway. I'll certainly keep an eye out for what's going on but I suppose the reality is there's only so much time in the day. Timo Am 22.04.2010 um 04:40 schrieb Lachlan Deck: In other news, while announcements are in order: I started a new job a couple of weeks ago where spring+hibernate is in play. So my contributions will mostly likely slow down somewhat, not that they weren't slow already ;) Oh, and my wife and I had a little baby boy 4 weeks ago. Lots of fun. A little bundle of joy! with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Congratulations Mike. I really thank you for your quick responses to most of my emails... I always tell my friends that there is no other better forum other than WOCommunity where every question is answered and answered until it is addressed. Hope you will continue your support to WO Community going forth! Why not build another Mike? I hope you will strive for tremendous growth of WO inside Apple :) and we wish for that. I really think there is no other better framework other than WO. Spring, Hibernate, Tapestry, ... are all just adding pepper to wound! I wish for success :) Cheers, Shravan Kumar. M Fw: announcement announcement Wed Apr 21 22:03:26 2010 From: Mike Schrag msch...@pobox.com To: WO Dev Group webobjects-dev@lists.apple.comHey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi! Yes Dave, me to. Mike is one of the best developers here ... itself deeply bowing .. Matthias Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:45:31 -0400 From: David Avendasora webobje...@avendasora.com Subject: Re: announcement To: Alan Ward aw...@apple.com Cc: WO Dev Group webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Message-ID: 53234977-4085-43c2-a4a9-41b1b6789...@avendasora.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii :-) I think we're all hoping/expecting that that's the case, but there's been others who start working at Apple and then suddenly stop posting, or only post rarely. With someone as high profile and insanely helpful as Mike I think many of us are just a little nervous about it. Dave ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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thanks everyone for all the nice comments ... i should print all these out and reuse them at my funeral! ms On Apr 23, 2010, at 3:59 AM, Matthias Jakob wrote: Hi! Yes Dave, me to. Mike is one of the best developers here ... itself deeply bowing .. Matthias Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:45:31 -0400 From: David Avendasora webobje...@avendasora.com Subject: Re: announcement To: Alan Ward aw...@apple.com Cc: WO Dev Group webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Message-ID: 53234977-4085-43c2-a4a9-41b1b6789...@avendasora.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii :-) I think we're all hoping/expecting that that's the case, but there's been others who start working at Apple and then suddenly stop posting, or only post rarely. With someone as high profile and insanely helpful as Mike I think many of us are just a little nervous about it. Dave ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com This email sent to msch...@pobox.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Congratulations Lachlan for your family addition. In my experience, life gets easier again somewhere between the age of 1 and 2 years. This is from someone with 3 daughters... :) Regarding your new job: I hope you will stay around anyway. Timo Am 22.04.2010 um 04:40 schrieb Lachlan Deck: In other news, while announcements are in order: I started a new job a couple of weeks ago where spring+hibernate is in play. So my contributions will mostly likely slow down somewhat, not that they weren't slow already ;) Oh, and my wife and I had a little baby boy 4 weeks ago. Lots of fun. A little bundle of joy! ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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June 2123, a couple days before WWDC '123, Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag passed away. Using WebObjects, Wonder and WOLips, he was able to last more than any other software-enhanced humans (namely phpmen and railsmen). We will miss his craziness, friendship and community contributions. Congratulations Mike, I'm sure you'll still be active in this mailing list. It's a good opportunity to also thank all the other contributors (I won't name anyone;)). See you at WWDC '10. Xavier thanks everyone for all the nice comments ... i should print all these out and reuse them at my funeral! ms On Apr 23, 2010, at 3:59 AM, Matthias Jakob wrote: Hi! Yes Dave, me to. Mike is one of the best developers here ... itself deeply bowing .. Matthias Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:45:31 -0400 From: David Avendasora webobje...@avendasora.com Subject: Re: announcement To: Alan Ward aw...@apple.com Cc: WO Dev Group webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Message-ID: 53234977-4085-43c2-a4a9-41b1b6789...@avendasora.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii :-) I think we're all hoping/expecting that that's the case, but there's been others who start working at Apple and then suddenly stop posting, or only post rarely. With someone as high profile and insanely helpful as Mike I think many of us are just a little nervous about it. Dave ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com This email sent to msch...@pobox.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects%40anazys.com This email sent to webobje...@anazys.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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inline: PastedGraphic-1.png On 23/apr/2010, at 12.05, David Avendasora wrote: On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:26 AM, Dev WO wrote: June 2123, a couple days before WWDC '123, Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag passed away. Noo! ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/amedeomailing%40insigno.it This email sent to amedeomail...@insigno.it ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Am 23.04.2010 um 05:46 schrieb Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists: Ciao Pascale, You are great and your efforts are very much appreciated. I have also been more than my share, in driving my internal apple WebObjects contact crazy, and complaining why he can't release any of his new work outside of Apple. But as much as he feels for the community, he can't do anything. [1] So what can we do - as a community - to ensure that these new WebObjects releases get indeed released outside of Apple? [2] Who are the persons blocking any new public WebObjects releases and what are their motivations? [3] What are our options for moving forward? How about we do a petition to Apple and/or a Dear Steve Jobs email? I already did this. Quite a while ago. It got ignored silently … Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: Von: Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf lars.sonchocky-helld...@hamburg.de Datum: 16. April 2008 01:23:45 MESZ An: sj...@apple.com Betreff: the notorious WebObjects case Hi Steve, I am a software developer in the custom solutions business. Our company develops mostly web based software. Traditionally we use WebObjects for this, because Webobjects is a great piece of software, because we like WebObjects. Over the time I've used a lot of different Web frameworks: plain JavaServer Pages ( http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/ - only good for very basic stuff), Apache Struts ( http://struts.apache.org/ - one word: primitive), Apache Tapestry ( http://tapestry.apache.org/ - somewhat of a clone of WebObjects but subpar and crippled), a little JavaServer Faces in a single project ( http://java.sun.com/ javaee/javaserverfaces/ - very intricate) and in a current project Apache Wicket ( http://wicket.apache.org/ - this one actually somewhat compares to WebObjects but misses EOF). WebObjects is still the best but sadly customer confidence dwindle. While I like WebObjects most for its efficiency, beauty and maturity, most of our customers either never heard of it - or - if they know it - slowly loose faith in it. In the old days customers explicitly asked for Webobjects but now it gets harder and harder each day to convince customers to choose WebObjects as base technology for new projects we implement for them. Mostly the main concern is uncertainty about the future of WebObjects, sometimes vendor lock in and more and more because it is proprietary technology. We used most of the technologies mentioned above because our customers insisted on it - not because we wanted to do so. The competition for the mind share all those open source frameworks create also plays a role in this. Now I think WebObjects has still a lot of potential, despite its currently decreasing mind share and support (less and less WebObjects sessions at the WWDCs, slow update cycle with almost no new features in the last years (I like to see full fledged AJAX support, HTML 5, annotation based authorization and security, integrated Unit testing support - to name a few.)). Why not repeat the success of WebKit? WebKit turned out to be a huge success lately, it gets picket up by a lot of projects and companies, it was the first to pass the Acid3 web standards test. Why is that? I think a great part of this success comes from being open source. People grab the code, fix bugs, extend it, tweak and port it to their needs and integrate it easily in their products. Even Apple profits from this development. To me WebObjects is like the older brother of WebKit - it just lives on the other side of the web - the server. Both get together less and less often but when they meet they're still the number one team. Apple could open source WebObjects and people will come and improve it. That would make a great WWDC announcement. keeping the faith, Lars cheers, Lars ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Apr 23, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote: How about we do a petition to Apple and/or a Dear Steve Jobs email? I already did this. Quite a while ago. It got ignored silently … I read on the web that he's been answering emails recently. :-) :-) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Apr 23, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Ricardo J. Parada wrote: On Apr 23, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote: How about we do a petition to Apple and/or a Dear Steve Jobs email? I already did this. Quite a while ago. It got ignored silently … I read on the web that he's been answering emails recently. :-) :-) Maybe David LeBer will finally get his pony! -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Am 23.04.2010 um 20:10 schrieb Ricardo J. Parada: On Apr 23, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote: How about we do a petition to Apple and/or a Dear Steve Jobs email? I already did this. Quite a while ago. It got ignored silently … I read on the web that he's been answering emails recently. :-) :-) Well, stop making fun of me. ;-) I know I was naive when I wrote this mail. I just posted it here to demonstrate that an email to Steve Jobs is no silver bullet. WebKit and WebObjects are indeed two very different kind of animals. While a wide adoption of modern web browser technology (e.g. WebKit) is important for the success of Apple (it enables them to build great stuff) a wide adoption of WebObjects is not (it enables others to build great stuff). Its actually the two ends of the same rope: WebObjects is pivotal for Apple to create great webapps and WebKit is pivotal for Apple to enable everybody to use that webapps. If I were Apple I also would keep WebObjects for myself. Otherwise I would loose a competitive advantage. Apple is not Sun who just wanted to be loved by everybody (by giving away everything for free) cheers, Lars ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Yeah but, where is Apple going to get their next superstar/wunderkind employee, like Mike, if WebObjects isn't out there? On Apr 23, 2010, at 9:34 AM, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote: Am 23.04.2010 um 20:10 schrieb Ricardo J. Parada: On Apr 23, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote: How about we do a petition to Apple and/or a Dear Steve Jobs email? I already did this. Quite a while ago. It got ignored silently … I read on the web that he's been answering emails recently. :-) :-) Well, stop making fun of me. ;-) I know I was naive when I wrote this mail. I just posted it here to demonstrate that an email to Steve Jobs is no silver bullet. WebKit and WebObjects are indeed two very different kind of animals. While a wide adoption of modern web browser technology (e.g. WebKit) is important for the success of Apple (it enables them to build great stuff) a wide adoption of WebObjects is not (it enables others to build great stuff). Its actually the two ends of the same rope: WebObjects is pivotal for Apple to create great webapps and WebKit is pivotal for Apple to enable everybody to use that webapps. If I were Apple I also would keep WebObjects for myself. Otherwise I would loose a competitive advantage. Apple is not Sun who just wanted to be loved by everybody (by giving away everything for free) cheers, Lars ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jlmiller%40kahalawai.com This email sent to jlmil...@kahalawai.com Johnny Miller Kahalawai Media Corp http://www.kahalawai.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Congratulations Mike That's a great news for all (yourself, Apple and the WO community) Stefan Am 21.04.10 18:33, schrieb Mike Schrag: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-sde.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Simple - Congratulations and thank you for your tireless contributions and on list help. James Cicenia On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/james%40jimijon.com This email sent to ja...@jimijon.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hey Mike, Congratulations and thank you for your support and endless effort all these years. Cheers, Henrique On 21/04/10 13:33, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hprange%40gmail.com This email sent to hpra...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Wow, this already feels belated! But I'll add my congratulations to the heap. Thanks for all you've done for WO from the outside, and Here's to many more fruitful WO years ahead! - Patrick On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pgr%40vt.edu This email sent to p...@vt.edu ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/varscsak%40smarthealth.com This email sent to varsc...@smarthealth.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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No! don't take everyone from the list ;-) d On 2010-04-22, at 7:45 AM, Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/varscsak%40smarthealth.com This email sent to varsc...@smarthealth.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com This
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1+, Apple should only hire anonymous WO devs, not the ones who are actually helping the community :-) No! don't take everyone from the list ;-) d On 2010-04-22, at 7:45 AM, Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/varscsak%40smarthealth.com This email sent to varsc...@smarthealth.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
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Mike's not going to disappear you know. On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: 1+, Apple should only hire anonymous WO devs, not the ones who are actually helping the community :-) No! don't take everyone from the list ;-) d On 2010-04-22, at 7:45 AM, Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/varscsak%40smarthealth.com This email sent to varsc...@smarthealth.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be
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:-) I think we're all hoping/expecting that that's the case, but there's been others who start working at Apple and then suddenly stop posting, or only post rarely. With someone as high profile and insanely helpful as Mike I think many of us are just a little nervous about it. Dave On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Alan Ward wrote: Mike's not going to disappear you know. On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: 1+, Apple should only hire anonymous WO devs, not the ones who are actually helping the community :-) No! don't take everyone from the list ;-) d On 2010-04-22, at 7:45 AM, Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/varscsak%40smarthealth.com This email sent to varsc...@smarthealth.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be
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Greetings Mike and all, Congratulations to Mike. I can't think of someone who has contributed as much as the unstoppable machine. As for Apple hiring, I think that is great. As for myself, I am currently working for Uncle Sam and I have another year on my contract. Well, the WO train is definitely something to look forward to. Later, Daniel Beatty Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch Code 4743000 2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. China Lake, CA 93555-6107 daniel.bea...@navy.mil (760) 939-7097 -Original Message- From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com on behalf of David Avendasora Sent: Thu 4/22/2010 8:45 AM To: Alan Ward Cc: WO Dev Group Subject: Re: announcement :-) I think we're all hoping/expecting that that's the case, but there's been others who start working at Apple and then suddenly stop posting, or only post rarely. With someone as high profile and insanely helpful as Mike I think many of us are just a little nervous about it. Dave On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Alan Ward wrote: Mike's not going to disappear you know. On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: 1+, Apple should only hire anonymous WO devs, not the ones who are actually helping the community :-) No! don't take everyone from the list ;-) d On 2010-04-22, at 7:45 AM, Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects
Re: announcement
On 2010-04-22, at 11:45 AM, David Avendasora wrote: :-) I think we're all hoping/expecting that that's the case, but there's been others who start working at Apple and then suddenly stop posting, or only post rarely. With someone as high profile and insanely helpful as Mike I think many of us are just a little nervous about it. Apple has secrets to keep, and everyone is pretty aware of the lengths they will go to keep them. In addition, many people will interpret a message from someone with an apple.com email address (especially someone with Mike's profile) as being (at least partially) a statement from Apple (no matter how much effort is put into disclaiming it.) Those two things have got to have a chilling effect. I am optimistic that Mike will remain very active in the community. If that doesn't include being as outspoken in public venues, I will understand why. Dave On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Alan Ward wrote: Mike's not going to disappear you know. On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: 1+, Apple should only hire anonymous WO devs, not the ones who are actually helping the community :-) No! don't take everyone from the list ;-) d On 2010-04-22, at 7:45 AM, Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.
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In addition, many people will interpret a message from someone with an apple.com email address (especially someone with Mike's profile) as being (at least partially) a statement from Apple (no matter how much effort is put into disclaiming it.) you won't see me ever post from an apple.com email address, so that works out quite nicely :) ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 2010-04-22, at 12:27 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: In addition, many people will interpret a message from someone with an apple.com email address (especially someone with Mike's profile) as being (at least partially) a statement from Apple (no matter how much effort is put into disclaiming it.) you won't see me ever post from an apple.com email address, so that works out quite nicely :) ms Oh, well that's different. I expect you to continue to be your usual loose-lipped self then. ;-) ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:04 AM, David LeBer wrote: On 2010-04-22, at 11:45 AM, David Avendasora wrote: :-) I think we're all hoping/expecting that that's the case, but there's been others who start working at Apple and then suddenly stop posting, or only post rarely. With someone as high profile and insanely helpful as Mike I think many of us are just a little nervous about it. Apple has secrets to keep, and everyone is pretty aware of the lengths they will go to keep them. Unless, of course, they have been drinking German beer... Sadly for us, Mike does not drink German beer so Apple's secrets will remain safe. In addition, many people will interpret a message from someone with an apple.com email address (especially someone with Mike's profile) as being (at least partially) a statement from Apple (no matter how much effort is put into disclaiming it.) Those two things have got to have a chilling effect. I am optimistic that Mike will remain very active in the community. If that doesn't include being as outspoken in public venues, I will understand why. Dave On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Alan Ward wrote: Mike's not going to disappear you know. On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: 1+, Apple should only hire anonymous WO devs, not the ones who are actually helping the community :-) No! don't take everyone from the list ;-) d On 2010-04-22, at 7:45 AM, Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com ) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems.
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It had been better if the Apple hiring could extends to regional. Thus open up another option to fewer to consider than moving into other technologies. Does that mean Mike going to Cupertino? On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D daniel.bea...@navy.mil wrote: Greetings Mike and all, Congratulations to Mike. I can't think of someone who has contributed as much as the unstoppable machine. As for Apple hiring, I think that is great. As for myself, I am currently working for Uncle Sam and I have another year on my contract. Well, the WO train is definitely something to look forward to. Later, Daniel Beatty Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch Code 4743000 2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. China Lake, CA 93555-6107 daniel.bea...@navy.mil (760) 939-7097 -Original Message- From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com on behalf of David Avendasora Sent: Thu 4/22/2010 8:45 AM To: Alan Ward Cc: WO Dev Group Subject: Re: announcement :-) I think we're all hoping/expecting that that's the case, but there's been others who start working at Apple and then suddenly stop posting, or only post rarely. With someone as high profile and insanely helpful as Mike I think many of us are just a little nervous about it. Dave On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Alan Ward wrote: Mike's not going to disappear you know. On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: 1+, Apple should only hire anonymous WO devs, not the ones who are actually helping the community :-) No! don't take everyone from the list ;-) d On 2010-04-22, at 7:45 AM, Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch
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nope ... i'll be remaining in my secluded cabin in the woods of Virginia writing manifestos. ms On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Cheong Hee Ng wrote: It had been better if the Apple hiring could extends to regional. Thus open up another option to fewer to consider than moving into other technologies. Does that mean Mike going to Cupertino? On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Beatty, Daniel D CIV NAVAIR, 474300D daniel.bea...@navy.mil wrote: Greetings Mike and all, Congratulations to Mike. I can't think of someone who has contributed as much as the unstoppable machine. As for Apple hiring, I think that is great. As for myself, I am currently working for Uncle Sam and I have another year on my contract. Well, the WO train is definitely something to look forward to. Later, Daniel Beatty Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch Code 4743000 2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. China Lake, CA 93555-6107 daniel.bea...@navy.mil (760) 939-7097 -Original Message- From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com on behalf of David Avendasora Sent: Thu 4/22/2010 8:45 AM To: Alan Ward Cc: WO Dev Group Subject: Re: announcement :-) I think we're all hoping/expecting that that's the case, but there's been others who start working at Apple and then suddenly stop posting, or only post rarely. With someone as high profile and insanely helpful as Mike I think many of us are just a little nervous about it. Dave On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Alan Ward wrote: Mike's not going to disappear you know. On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: 1+, Apple should only hire anonymous WO devs, not the ones who are actually helping the community :-) No! don't take everyone from the list ;-) d On 2010-04-22, at 7:45 AM, Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list
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Hi Lachlan, On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: In other news, while announcements are in order: I started a new job a couple of weeks ago where spring+hibernate is in play. So my contributions will mostly likely slow down somewhat, not that they weren't slow already ;) Oh, and my wife and I had a little baby boy 4 weeks ago. Lots of fun. A little bundle of joy! Congratulations on your new son! Remember: in some far off time from now, you WILL get a good night's sleep again. :-P As for the Spring + Hibernate, I am sure that many people here would be interested in hearing of your experiences and opinions on how it compares to WO development, the better and the worse. Chuck -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Le 10-04-22 à 13:57, Chuck Hill a écrit : Hi Lachlan, On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: In other news, while announcements are in order: I started a new job a couple of weeks ago where spring+hibernate is in play. So my contributions will mostly likely slow down somewhat, not that they weren't slow already ;) Oh, and my wife and I had a little baby boy 4 weeks ago. Lots of fun. A little bundle of joy! Congratulations on your new son! Remember: in some far off time from now, you WILL get a good night's sleep again. :-P As for the Spring + Hibernate, I am sure that many people here would be interested in hearing of your experiences and opinions on how it compares to WO development, the better and the worse. +1 ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 2010-04-22, at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: Hi Lachlan, On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: In other news, while announcements are in order: I started a new job a couple of weeks ago where spring+hibernate is in play. So my contributions will mostly likely slow down somewhat, not that they weren't slow already ;) Oh, and my wife and I had a little baby boy 4 weeks ago. Lots of fun. A little bundle of joy! Congratulations on your new son! Remember: in some far off time from now, you WILL get a good night's sleep again. :-P Thanks for giving us new parents some... hope :-) Congrats Lachlan, it's a great stage of life. David As for the Spring + Hibernate, I am sure that many people here would be interested in hearing of your experiences and opinions on how it compares to WO development, the better and the worse. Chuck -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com This email sent to programming...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:28 AM, David Holt wrote: On 2010-04-22, at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: Hi Lachlan, On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: In other news, while announcements are in order: I started a new job a couple of weeks ago where spring+hibernate is in play. So my contributions will mostly likely slow down somewhat, not that they weren't slow already ;) Oh, and my wife and I had a little baby boy 4 weeks ago. Lots of fun. A little bundle of joy! Congratulations on your new son! Remember: in some far off time from now, you WILL get a good night's sleep again. :-P Thanks for giving us new parents some... hope :-) Well, I am child-free, so this is only an observation of other parents. It could be that you just eventually get used to sleep deprivation. :-) Congrats Lachlan, it's a great stage of life. David As for the Spring + Hibernate, I am sure that many people here would be interested in hearing of your experiences and opinions on how it compares to WO development, the better and the worse. Chuck -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com This email sent to programming...@mac.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Yes, we are. Guido On 22. Apr, 2010, at 07:45 , Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/varscsak%40smarthealth.com This email sent to varsc...@smarthealth.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/guido.neitzer%40gmail.com This email sent to
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Hey Mike, Javadocs seem to be down at mDimension http://webobjects.mdimension.com/hudson/job/Wonder53/javadoc/ ... So who do we nag when you leave mDT? Has a successor been appointed? Ramsey On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:45 AM, David Avendasora wrote: :-) I think we're all hoping/expecting that that's the case, but there's been others who start working at Apple and then suddenly stop posting, or only post rarely. With someone as high profile and insanely helpful as Mike I think many of us are just a little nervous about it. Dave On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Alan Ward wrote: Mike's not going to disappear you know. On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: 1+, Apple should only hire anonymous WO devs, not the ones who are actually helping the community :-) No! don't take everyone from the list ;-) d On 2010-04-22, at 7:45 AM, Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects- d...@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects- d...@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/varscsak%40smarthealth.com This email sent to varsc...@smarthealth.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to
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Where's David den Boer when you need him? I'm guessing he would say the same :) Now we have a proper episode of the dating game! ms On Apr 22, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote: Yes, we are. Guido On 22. Apr, 2010, at 07:45 , Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/varscsak%40smarthealth.com This email sent to varsc...@smarthealth.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list
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@see hudson is in a funky state at the moment ... excuse our mess ... where's my animated construction worker gif? i'm moving the build server up from an internal box to an external box, so it's rebuilding everything now. ms On Apr 22, 2010, at 3:35 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: Hey Mike, Javadocs seem to be down at mDimension http://webobjects.mdimension.com/hudson/job/Wonder53/javadoc/ ... So who do we nag when you leave mDT? Has a successor been appointed? Ramsey On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:45 AM, David Avendasora wrote: :-) I think we're all hoping/expecting that that's the case, but there's been others who start working at Apple and then suddenly stop posting, or only post rarely. With someone as high profile and insanely helpful as Mike I think many of us are just a little nervous about it. Dave On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Alan Ward wrote: Mike's not going to disappear you know. On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: 1+, Apple should only hire anonymous WO devs, not the ones who are actually helping the community :-) No! don't take everyone from the list ;-) d On 2010-04-22, at 7:45 AM, Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com)
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On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: Where's David den Boer when you need him? I'm guessing he would say the same :) I am surprised that he was not first! He is usually right on this. Now we have a proper episode of the dating game! ms On Apr 22, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote: Yes, we are. Guido On 22. Apr, 2010, at 07:45 , Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/varscsak%40smarthealth.com This email sent to varsc...@smarthealth.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They
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He's hiring! On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: Where's David den Boer when you need him? I'm guessing he would say the same :) Now we have a proper episode of the dating game! ms On Apr 22, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote: Yes, we are. Guido On 22. Apr, 2010, at 07:45 , Alan Ward wrote: We're hiring. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/varscsak%40smarthealth.com This email sent to varsc...@smarthealth.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com This email sent to aw...@apple.com ___ Do not post admin
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Hey there, On 22/04/2010, at 3:02 PM, Cheong Hee wrote: Hi Lachlan In other news, while announcements are in order: I started a new job a couple of weeks ago where spring+hibernate is in play. So my contributions will mostly likely slow down somewhat, not that they weren't slow already ;) Oh, and my wife and I had a little baby boy 4 weeks ago. Lots of fun. A little bundle of joy! Sorry , did i get it right that you are droping WO and leaving the community soon? Not quite. I'm not dropping WO per se. Just moved to a new job where it's not used[1]. I'll still be around, but given that I'm not using it for work anymore won't have as much opportunity. Congratulations to you and new arrival. Welcome to fatherhood and certainly life has different joys and meaning, if i am qualified to say as a father of 4 :). Keep it up. with regards, -- Lachlan Deck [1] of course, finding a job in Australia where it is used would be very rare. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 22/04/2010, at 10:26 PM, Michael Schrag wrote: Congrats Lachlan! Thanks! My policy in babies, btw, is that they kind of suck for like a year, maybe a year and a half, then all of a sudden you realize they're awesome, so power through it and it will pay off :) Nah, he's a mini-me, he's awesome already :) An amazing little bundle. There's certainly been some moments when he's just been giving any rock band's front man a run for his money - but usually a good feed, a good nappy change, and, if all else fails, some soothing guitar tones from Tommy Emmanuel turned up and he's relaxed as ever. Presents a challenge for us getting to sleep overnight in those cases of course ;-) but mostly he's been sleeping well. Congratulations on the new job, too. Hopefully you wont disappear forever. We had plenty of disagreements, but you were a great addition to the community. Thanks. Certainly not signing off the list. Just won't have as much opportunity to keep up to date. Necessities of career etc with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 23/04/2010, at 3:57 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: Hi Lachlan, On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: In other news, while announcements are in order: I started a new job a couple of weeks ago where spring+hibernate is in play. So my contributions will mostly likely slow down somewhat, not that they weren't slow already ;) Oh, and my wife and I had a little baby boy 4 weeks ago. Lots of fun. A little bundle of joy! Congratulations on your new son! Remember: in some far off time from now, you WILL get a good night's sleep again. :-P At the moment it's every 2nd and 3rd night which is pretty good. We've found a few things that seem to work. But it's certainly a whole new responsibility, but a good one. As for the Spring + Hibernate, I am sure that many people here would be interested in hearing of your experiences and opinions on how it compares to WO development, the better and the worse. Sure. Haven't seen much of Hibernate yet, and thus far just seen spring's injection uses (older spring using xml configs). I'd been using a bit of Google's Guice previously for other purposes, so nothing earth shattering there. Just another means of abstraction but either way certainly lends itself to clean code. The other interesting shift is doing XP, pair programming and test driven development. with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 23/04/2010, at 4:28 AM, David Holt wrote: On 2010-04-22, at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: Hi Lachlan, On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: In other news, while announcements are in order: I started a new job a couple of weeks ago where spring+hibernate is in play. So my contributions will mostly likely slow down somewhat, not that they weren't slow already ;) Oh, and my wife and I had a little baby boy 4 weeks ago. Lots of fun. A little bundle of joy! Congratulations on your new son! Remember: in some far off time from now, you WILL get a good night's sleep again. :-P Thanks for giving us new parents some... hope :-) Food, nappies, dummies, car rides, tours of the house (giving them something different to look at) and nice music (turned up) seems to help :) Congrats Lachlan, it's a great stage of life. It's brilliant. with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Congratulations Lachlan, This is a great moment for your family. The only thing you have to worry about is that once they grow up; they will notice you spending too much time working with your computer...at least that is what mine do With Kind Regards, Dennis Gaastra, Chief Technology Officer, WEBAPPZ® Systems, Inc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc., 726 - 1489 Marine Drive, West Vancouver, BC, CANADA V7T 1B8, www.webappz.com On 2010-04-21, at 7:40 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: I was intending to look at the patch asap (e.g., weekend) seeing as I added the h2 plugin and I've got a whole bunch of unit tests utilising migrations + h2. I assume you've included any info necessary for testing the patch? But congrats Mike and thanks for all your excellent work over the years! Naturally you'll have a thousand page NDA to sign and will no longer be able to publicly hassle on the community's behalf :) for such things as the imminent release of the 'g' (i.e., giandura) or WO5.4.3.1 or 5.6 ;-) but I hope your time on the inside is personally rewarding. In other news, while announcements are in order: I started a new job a couple of weeks ago where spring+hibernate is in play. So my contributions will mostly likely slow down somewhat, not that they weren't slow already ;) Oh, and my wife and I had a little baby boy 4 weeks ago. Lots of fun. A little bundle of joy! On 22/04/2010, at 9:41 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Maybe people can put their patched frameworks somewhere so that people can try them before the patch is applied to HEAD? For example, people who use H2 could try the patch I did to support the LIMIT operator and they can report if it's working for them. Even if most don't have commit access, it doesn't stop people to try/review the patch. Building examples and tests is another good way to review the patchs too :-) with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects_lists%40webappz.com This email sent to webobjects_li...@webappz.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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A little belated congratulations from Whistler, BC. Yes; there is still 330cm (11ft) of snow up here. Thanks for working on WOLips and all your support to this list. I really like the work you have done in the past. Will you be continuing to work on WOLips while working for Apple? With the outside community being a bit smaller now, the only thing that worries me is that Apple is even less likely to release WebObjects to the public; and more likely to keep it internal only... Come on Apple, what is this legacy and not supported on Snow Leopard business. In other words; if one likes WebObjects, one must work for Apple, or stay with 5.4.3 forever. With Kind Regards, Dennis Gaastra, Chief Technology Officer, WEBAPPZ® Systems, Inc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc., 726 - 1489 Marine Drive, West Vancouver, BC, CANADA V7T 1B8, www.webappz.com On 2010-04-21, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects_lists%40webappz.com This email sent to webobjects_li...@webappz.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Le 10-04-22 à 20:32, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists a écrit : A little belated congratulations from Whistler, BC. Yes; there is still 330cm (11ft) of snow up here. Snow, what's this? It all went away in mid March here! Thanks for working on WOLips and all your support to this list. I really like the work you have done in the past. Will you be continuing to work on WOLips while working for Apple? With the outside community being a bit smaller now, the only thing that worries me is that Apple is even less likely to release WebObjects to the public; and more likely to keep it internal only... Come on Apple, what is this legacy and not supported on Snow Leopard business. We could just try to expand the community. In the last 365 days, 870 visits on wocommunity.org came from people searching on Google for WebObjects tutorials. Sadly, we don't have any tutorials except the one Apple did last year... A funny enough, 748 visits after September 1th 2009, right after Snow Leopard came out and Apple said it was not supported in SL Server! 9 350 unique page views for the front page of wocommunity.org since September 1th 2009, so there is some interest in WO, but sadly except the Apple tutorial and the basic screencasts, we don't have much to offer... In other words; if one likes WebObjects, one must work for Apple, or stay with 5.4.3 forever. With Kind Regards, Dennis Gaastra, Chief Technology Officer, WEBAPPZ® Systems, Inc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e- mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc., 726 - 1489 Marine Drive, West Vancouver, BC, CANADA V7T 1B8, www.webappz.com On 2010-04-21, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects_lists%40webappz.com This email sent to webobjects_li...@webappz.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to
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Hi Pascal, I meant to say that Mike's assimilation is somewhat of a loss to the outside community; and Apple now has even one less reason to release WebObjects. Why don't you make a poll/survey: Do you believe Apple is ever going to release WebObjects to the public? Greetings, Dennis. On 2010-04-22, at 5:45 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 10-04-22 à 20:32, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists a écrit : A little belated congratulations from Whistler, BC. Yes; there is still 330cm (11ft) of snow up here. Snow, what's this? It all went away in mid March here! Thanks for working on WOLips and all your support to this list. I really like the work you have done in the past. Will you be continuing to work on WOLips while working for Apple? With the outside community being a bit smaller now, the only thing that worries me is that Apple is even less likely to release WebObjects to the public; and more likely to keep it internal only... Come on Apple, what is this legacy and not supported on Snow Leopard business. We could just try to expand the community. In the last 365 days, 870 visits on wocommunity.org came from people searching on Google for WebObjects tutorials. Sadly, we don't have any tutorials except the one Apple did last year... A funny enough, 748 visits after September 1th 2009, right after Snow Leopard came out and Apple said it was not supported in SL Server! 9 350 unique page views for the front page of wocommunity.org since September 1th 2009, so there is some interest in WO, but sadly except the Apple tutorial and the basic screencasts, we don't have much to offer... In other words; if one likes WebObjects, one must work for Apple, or stay with 5.4.3 forever. With Kind Regards, Dennis Gaastra, Chief Technology Officer, WEBAPPZ® Systems, Inc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc., 726 - 1489 Marine Drive, West Vancouver, BC, CANADA V7T 1B8, www.webappz.com On 2010-04-21, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects_lists%40webappz.com This email sent to webobjects_li...@webappz.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
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Le 10-04-22 à 20:55, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists a écrit : Hi Pascal, I meant to say that Mike's assimilation is somewhat of a loss to the outside community; and Apple now has even one less reason to release WebObjects. Why don't you make a poll/survey: Do you believe Apple is ever going to release WebObjects to the public? The survey should instead ask if outsiders (that's us) have given feedback about WO future to Apple. For example, how many of us opened a Radard asking what's the status of WO? How many can compare WO with other frameworks? Who in the community wants to make WO cool again? Maybe Apple might do something if they get feedback and start seeing some buzz instead of seeing tweets about people who blame WO for every Apple Store/ADC problems? I try to do my best with wocommunity.org but I can't do everything alone, and to be honest, I think people just don't care about expending the community (I do hope that I'm wrong). Greetings, Dennis. On 2010-04-22, at 5:45 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 10-04-22 à 20:32, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists a écrit : A little belated congratulations from Whistler, BC. Yes; there is still 330cm (11ft) of snow up here. Snow, what's this? It all went away in mid March here! Thanks for working on WOLips and all your support to this list. I really like the work you have done in the past. Will you be continuing to work on WOLips while working for Apple? With the outside community being a bit smaller now, the only thing that worries me is that Apple is even less likely to release WebObjects to the public; and more likely to keep it internal only... Come on Apple, what is this legacy and not supported on Snow Leopard business. We could just try to expand the community. In the last 365 days, 870 visits on wocommunity.org came from people searching on Google for WebObjects tutorials. Sadly, we don't have any tutorials except the one Apple did last year... A funny enough, 748 visits after September 1th 2009, right after Snow Leopard came out and Apple said it was not supported in SL Server! 9 350 unique page views for the front page of wocommunity.org since September 1th 2009, so there is some interest in WO, but sadly except the Apple tutorial and the basic screencasts, we don't have much to offer... In other words; if one likes WebObjects, one must work for Apple, or stay with 5.4.3 forever. With Kind Regards, Dennis Gaastra, Chief Technology Officer, WEBAPPZ® Systems, Inc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard- copy version. WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc., 726 - 1489 Marine Drive, West Vancouver, BC, CANADA V7T 1B8, www.webappz.com On 2010-04-21, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my
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I meant to say that Mike's assimilation is somewhat of a loss to the outside community; and Apple now has even one less reason to release WebObjects. that would be a very pessimistic view of what this means. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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As I've mentioned to Chuck -- if I had to do Spring + Hibernate, I'd only go with Grails, as the GORM approach is far better than just being stuck with Hibernate Criteria. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: Hi Lachlan, On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: In other news, while announcements are in order: I started a new job a couple of weeks ago where spring+hibernate is in play. So my contributions will mostly likely slow down somewhat, not that they weren't slow already ;) Oh, and my wife and I had a little baby boy 4 weeks ago. Lots of fun. A little bundle of joy! Congratulations on your new son! Remember: in some far off time from now, you WILL get a good night's sleep again. :-P As for the Spring + Hibernate, I am sure that many people here would be interested in hearing of your experiences and opinions on how it compares to WO development, the better and the worse. Chuck -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmlittle%40gmail.com This email sent to jmlit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Ciao Pascale, You are great and your efforts are very much appreciated. I have also been more than my share, in driving my internal apple WebObjects contact crazy, and complaining why he can't release any of his new work outside of Apple. But as much as he feels for the community, he can't do anything. [1] So what can we do - as a community - to ensure that these new WebObjects releases get indeed released outside of Apple? [2] Who are the persons blocking any new public WebObjects releases and what are their motivations? [3] What are our options for moving forward? How about we do a petition to Apple and/or a Dear Steve Jobs email? Thanks, Dennis. On 2010-04-22, at 6:04 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 10-04-22 à 20:55, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists a écrit : Hi Pascal, I meant to say that Mike's assimilation is somewhat of a loss to the outside community; and Apple now has even one less reason to release WebObjects. Why don't you make a poll/survey: Do you believe Apple is ever going to release WebObjects to the public? The survey should instead ask if outsiders (that's us) have given feedback about WO future to Apple. For example, how many of us opened a Radard asking what's the status of WO? How many can compare WO with other frameworks? Who in the community wants to make WO cool again? Maybe Apple might do something if they get feedback and start seeing some buzz instead of seeing tweets about people who blame WO for every Apple Store/ADC problems? I try to do my best with wocommunity.org but I can't do everything alone, and to be honest, I think people just don't care about expending the community (I do hope that I'm wrong). Greetings, Dennis. On 2010-04-22, at 5:45 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 10-04-22 à 20:32, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists a écrit : A little belated congratulations from Whistler, BC. Yes; there is still 330cm (11ft) of snow up here. Snow, what's this? It all went away in mid March here! Thanks for working on WOLips and all your support to this list. I really like the work you have done in the past. Will you be continuing to work on WOLips while working for Apple? With the outside community being a bit smaller now, the only thing that worries me is that Apple is even less likely to release WebObjects to the public; and more likely to keep it internal only... Come on Apple, what is this legacy and not supported on Snow Leopard business. We could just try to expand the community. In the last 365 days, 870 visits on wocommunity.org came from people searching on Google for WebObjects tutorials. Sadly, we don't have any tutorials except the one Apple did last year... A funny enough, 748 visits after September 1th 2009, right after Snow Leopard came out and Apple said it was not supported in SL Server! 9 350 unique page views for the front page of wocommunity.org since September 1th 2009, so there is some interest in WO, but sadly except the Apple tutorial and the basic screencasts, we don't have much to offer... In other words; if one likes WebObjects, one must work for Apple, or stay with 5.4.3 forever. With Kind Regards, Dennis Gaastra, Chief Technology Officer, WEBAPPZ® Systems, Inc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc., 726 - 1489 Marine Drive, West Vancouver, BC, CANADA V7T 1B8, www.webappz.com On 2010-04-21, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework
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Hi! Congratulations! :) It's certainly good news for you, Apple and the future of WO. Best wishes for your new journey. Yours Miguel Arroz On 2010/04/21, at 17:33, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/arroz%40guiamac.com This email sent to ar...@guiamac.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 2010-04-21, at 12:33 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms Congratulations Mike! Let me just take this opportunity to thank you (and mDT) for everything you have given to the community over the past 5 years. Good luck working on the 'inside'! ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 21/Apr/2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Congratulations! See you soon! ;-) M. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Wow! Congratulations Mike. On 2010-04-21, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com This email sent to programming...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Congratulations Mike, a great personal win for you. Thanks for all you have contributed to WOLips/Wonder. -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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WO is in good hands! :-) On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: Congratulations Mike, a great personal win for you. Thanks for all you have contributed to WOLips/Wonder. -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rparada%40mac.com This email sent to rpar...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Congratulations Mike, that's really great news! Dave On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects%40avendasora.com This email sent to webobje...@avendasora.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I know that, but I don't have commit access :-) And yes, I do hope others will help out with commits. And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo %40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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It is his own fault for writing so damn much of it in the first place! :-P I try to fix things when (a) I have time and (b) I use what is being fixed so I have some idea if I am breaking things. But yes, more people could fix some of the bugs. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo %40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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About time ... ;-) See you soon! Guido On 21. Apr, 2010, at 09:33 , Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/guido.neitzer%40gmail.com This email sent to guido.neit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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You are right - No reason at all why only Mike should do it. What are your thoughts on how someone who wants to help can qualify for commit access? Just asking :-) -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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if new people end up stepping up to do this, keep in mind that rejecting patches is just as important as applying patches ... if you want to do it, you just need to be comfortable telling people to go back to the drawing board sometimes. we tend to get pretty good quality patches for the most part, but occasionally there's some crazy. On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: You are right - No reason at all why only Mike should do it. What are your thoughts on how someone who wants to help can qualify for commit access? Just asking :-) -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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and btw, i'm not the only one who does it -- anjo and chuck apply their fair share as well. though, i think chuck only applies patches to AjaxModalDialog, which is basically a full time job. ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: You are right - No reason at all why only Mike should do it. What are your thoughts on how someone who wants to help can qualify for commit access? Just asking :-) -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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When you asked that, the first thing that popped into my head was: STOP! He who would cross the Bridge of Death Must answer me These questions three Ere the other side he see. (^_^) Ramsey On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: You are right - No reason at all why only Mike should do it. What are your thoughts on how someone who wants to help can qualify for commit access? Just asking :-) -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ramsey%40xeotech.com This email sent to ram...@xeotech.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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And AjaxTabbedPanel :-P and a few of the crazy patches and WO 5.3 breaking patches that I then get yelled at for. Note to self: don't apply patches when sleepy On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: and btw, i'm not the only one who does it -- anjo and chuck apply their fair share as well. though, i think chuck only applies patches to AjaxModalDialog, which is basically a full time job. ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: You are right - No reason at all why only Mike should do it. What are your thoughts on how someone who wants to help can qualify for commit access? Just asking :-) -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Oh, and how rude of me... Congrats Mike! (^_^) Ramsey On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: When you asked that, the first thing that popped into my head was: STOP! He who would cross the Bridge of Death Must answer me These questions three Ere the other side he see. (^_^) Ramsey On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: You are right - No reason at all why only Mike should do it. What are your thoughts on how someone who wants to help can qualify for commit access? Just asking :-) -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ramsey%40xeotech.com This email sent to ram...@xeotech.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ramsey%40xeotech.com This email sent to ram...@xeotech.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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thanks everybody :) ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: Oh, and how rude of me... Congrats Mike! (^_^) Ramsey On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: When you asked that, the first thing that popped into my head was: STOP! He who would cross the Bridge of Death Must answer me These questions three Ere the other side he see. (^_^) Ramsey On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: You are right - No reason at all why only Mike should do it. What are your thoughts on how someone who wants to help can qualify for commit access? Just asking :-) -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ramsey%40xeotech.com This email sent to ram...@xeotech.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ramsey%40xeotech.com This email sent to ram...@xeotech.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com This email sent to msch...@pobox.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list
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Welcome aboard the mothership. Alan On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: thanks everybody :) ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: Oh, and how rude of me... Congrats Mike! (^_^) Ramsey On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: When you asked that, the first thing that popped into my head was: STOP! He who would cross the Bridge of Death Must answer me These questions three Ere the other side he see. (^_^) Ramsey On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: You are right - No reason at all why only Mike should do it. What are your thoughts on how someone who wants to help can qualify for commit access? Just asking :-) -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ramsey%40xeotech.com This email sent to ram...@xeotech.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ramsey%40xeotech.com This email sent to ram...@xeotech.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com This email sent to msch...@pobox.com ___ Do not post admin
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i was questioned by a confused mailing list member when i referred to someone named chuck -- of course i meant chunk. apologies for the typo. ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: and btw, i'm not the only one who does it -- anjo and chuck apply their fair share as well. though, i think chuck only applies patches to AjaxModalDialog, which is basically a full time job. ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: You are right - No reason at all why only Mike should do it. What are your thoughts on how someone who wants to help can qualify for commit access? Just asking :-) -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com This email sent to msch...@pobox.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Was that Bob Pascal? On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: i was questioned by a confused mailing list member when i referred to someone named chuck -- of course i meant chunk. apologies for the typo. ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: and btw, i'm not the only one who does it -- anjo and chuck apply their fair share as well. though, i think chuck only applies patches to AjaxModalDialog, which is basically a full time job. ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: You are right - No reason at all why only Mike should do it. What are your thoughts on how someone who wants to help can qualify for commit access? Just asking :-) -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects- d...@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com This email sent to msch...@pobox.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com)
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It always comes back to Chunk doesn't it? On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Mike Schrag msch...@pobox.com wrote: i was questioned by a confused mailing list member when i referred to someone named chuck -- of course i meant chunk. apologies for the typo. ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: and btw, i'm not the only one who does it -- anjo and chuck apply their fair share as well. though, i think chuck only applies patches to AjaxModalDialog, which is basically a full time job. ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: You are right - No reason at all why only Mike should do it. What are your thoughts on how someone who wants to help can qualify for commit access? Just asking :-) -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com This email sent to msch...@pobox.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/varscsak%40smarthealth.com This email sent to varsc...@smarthealth.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to
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http://www.screenjunkies.com/movienews/sarah-connor-vs-chunk Was that Bob Pascal? On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: i was questioned by a confused mailing list member when i referred to someone named chuck -- of course i meant chunk. apologies for the typo. ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: and btw, i'm not the only one who does it -- anjo and chuck apply their fair share as well. though, i think chuck only applies patches to AjaxModalDialog, which is basically a full time job. ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: You are right - No reason at all why only Mike should do it. What are your thoughts on how someone who wants to help can qualify for commit access? Just asking :-) -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com ) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com This email sent to msch...@pobox.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.
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Maybe people can put their patched frameworks somewhere so that people can try them before the patch is applied to HEAD? For example, people who use H2 could try the patch I did to support the LIMIT operator and they can report if it's working for them. Even if most don't have commit access, it doesn't stop people to try/review the patch. Building examples and tests is another good way to review the patchs too :-) if new people end up stepping up to do this, keep in mind that rejecting patches is just as important as applying patches ... if you want to do it, you just need to be comfortable telling people to go back to the drawing board sometimes. we tend to get pretty good quality patches for the most part, but occasionally there's some crazy. On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: You are right - No reason at all why only Mike should do it. What are your thoughts on how someone who wants to help can qualify for commit access? Just asking :-) -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.netwrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/varscsak%40smarthealth.com This email sent to varsc...@smarthealth.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Grumble. He sure gets ornery when you call him Bob instead of Robert. On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: http://www.screenjunkies.com/movienews/sarah-connor-vs-chunk Was that Bob Pascal? On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: i was questioned by a confused mailing list member when i referred to someone named chuck -- of course i meant chunk. apologies for the typo. ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: and btw, i'm not the only one who does it -- anjo and chuck apply their fair share as well. though, i think chuck only applies patches to AjaxModalDialog, which is basically a full time job. ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: You are right - No reason at all why only Mike should do it. What are your thoughts on how someone who wants to help can qualify for commit access? Just asking :-) -Kieran On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: And for the most part, we do *not* keep other people from writing or applying patches. There are ~40 committers for Wonder. There is no reason why only Mike should do patches and stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.04.2010 um 20:45 schrieb Mike Schrag: you can if you want, but i'll be fixing them anyway, including after Apr 30 ... ms On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Can we pay you a couple of bucks to fix the 128 remaining Jiras for Wonder before April 30? :-) Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com ) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects- d...@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/anjo%40krank.net This email sent to a...@krank.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com This email sent to kieran_li...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com This email sent to msch...@pobox.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems.
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If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever have enough. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global- village.net wrote: Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill Co for all the past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike The Unstoppable Code Machine Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. Chuck On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/varscsak%40smarthealth.com This email sent to varsc...@smarthealth.com -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I was intending to look at the patch asap (e.g., weekend) seeing as I added the h2 plugin and I've got a whole bunch of unit tests utilising migrations + h2. I assume you've included any info necessary for testing the patch? But congrats Mike and thanks for all your excellent work over the years! Naturally you'll have a thousand page NDA to sign and will no longer be able to publicly hassle on the community's behalf :) for such things as the imminent release of the 'g' (i.e., giandura) or WO5.4.3.1 or 5.6 ;-) but I hope your time on the inside is personally rewarding. In other news, while announcements are in order: I started a new job a couple of weeks ago where spring+hibernate is in play. So my contributions will mostly likely slow down somewhat, not that they weren't slow already ;) Oh, and my wife and I had a little baby boy 4 weeks ago. Lots of fun. A little bundle of joy! On 22/04/2010, at 9:41 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Maybe people can put their patched frameworks somewhere so that people can try them before the patch is applied to HEAD? For example, people who use H2 could try the patch I did to support the LIMIT operator and they can report if it's working for them. Even if most don't have commit access, it doesn't stop people to try/review the patch. Building examples and tests is another good way to review the patchs too :-) with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Congratulations to both you and Apple. And thank you Apple for hiring someone to support WOLips and WOnder. best, Johnny p.s. now that you are on the inside please put the next version of WO on a CD and drop it in a bar. p.p.s don't put your name on the CD. On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jlmiller%40kahalawai.com This email sent to jlmil...@kahalawai.com Johnny Miller Kahalawai Media Corp http://www.kahalawai.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Congratulations! Late to congrat due to time lapse. Nevertherless, take this opportunity to thank mDT and yourself for prompt and interesting responses. If I could not remember the rest, I will remember the one line Da Vinci Code you sent to repackaging the java files :) That helps a lot indeed. Is it a natural path to take that a great contributor will end up in mothership? Not only Chuck will be getting lonely (yes, you did mention it twice.. ), many will do too. What more working in a WOlessland like here. Good news is I've just succeeded in getting a government funding grant yesterday for WO project, so it is a little booster. Cheers to Mike and the community members. Great thanks. Cheong Hee - Original Message - From: Mike Schrag msch...@pobox.com To: WO Dev Group webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:33 AM Subject: announcement Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them for that. For the things you guys may directly care about: * WOLips - still working on it * Wonder - still working on it * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use my msch...@pobox.com email address. ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chng34%40gmail.com This email sent to chn...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi Lachlan In other news, while announcements are in order: I started a new job a couple of weeks ago where spring+hibernate is in play. So my contributions will mostly likely slow down somewhat, not that they weren't slow already ;) Oh, and my wife and I had a little baby boy 4 weeks ago. Lots of fun. A little bundle of joy! Sorry , did i get it right that you are droping WO and leaving the community soon? Congratulations to you and new arrival. Welcome to fatherhood and certainly life has different joys and meaning, if i am qualified to say as a father of 4 :). Keep it up. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Announcement] WOJC databinding library released
Wow Flor! This is great! Not only is there an overview and code there, you actually have documentation and a working example too! I think this is a big step forward for WebObjects Java Client development. I've added it to the Complimentary Frameworks on the Java Client section of the WO Wiki (http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/ display/WO/Java+Client). Dave On Jan 21, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Florijan Stamenkovic wrote: Hi all, I am happy to say that the databinding library I've been working on (for WO + Swing) is ready for it's initial release. Of course, please note that this is version 0.x, and there could be serious bugs in it. Accompanying documentation and examples are there as well. http://web.mac.com/flor385/JBND/ My best, Flor ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects% 40avendasora.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Announcement] WOJC databinding library released
Very nice Florijan! With this and Paolo's alternate, the future is looking much brighter for JC than just a few months ago when I considered it a dead technology. This is the first time in years that I have though it was actually worth looking at it. Chuck On Jan 21, 2008, at 11:14 AM, David Avendasora wrote: Wow Flor! This is great! Not only is there an overview and code there, you actually have documentation and a working example too! I think this is a big step forward for WebObjects Java Client development. I've added it to the Complimentary Frameworks on the Java Client section of the WO Wiki (http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/ display/WO/Java+Client). Dave On Jan 21, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Florijan Stamenkovic wrote: Hi all, I am happy to say that the databinding library I've been working on (for WO + Swing) is ready for it's initial release. Of course, please note that this is version 0.x, and there could be serious bugs in it. Accompanying documentation and examples are there as well. http://web.mac.com/flor385/JBND/ My best, Flor -- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So, does the entire JBND framework exist on the client-side of the application? It looks like to me you could add a Java Client application on top of any existing web application without actually touching any of the existing code at all. Dave On Jan 21, 2008, at 2:14 PM, David Avendasora wrote: Wow Flor! This is great! Not only is there an overview and code there, you actually have documentation and a working example too! I think this is a big step forward for WebObjects Java Client development. I've added it to the Complimentary Frameworks on the Java Client section of the WO Wiki (http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/ display/WO/Java+Client). Dave On Jan 21, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Florijan Stamenkovic wrote: Hi all, I am happy to say that the databinding library I've been working on (for WO + Swing) is ready for it's initial release. Of course, please note that this is version 0.x, and there could be serious bugs in it. Accompanying documentation and examples are there as well. http://web.mac.com/flor385/JBND/ My best, Flor ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects% 40avendasora.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects% 40avendasora.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Announcement] WOJC databinding library released
Too bad people are moving to Flex or other alternatives :-) But it's true that Java client-side still have a future, since it's the other tech where you can use client-side EOF. Very nice Florijan! With this and Paolo's alternate, the future is looking much brighter for JC than just a few months ago when I considered it a dead technology. This is the first time in years that I have though it was actually worth looking at it. Chuck On Jan 21, 2008, at 11:14 AM, David Avendasora wrote: Wow Flor! This is great! Not only is there an overview and code there, you actually have documentation and a working example too! I think this is a big step forward for WebObjects Java Client development. I've added it to the Complimentary Frameworks on the Java Client section of the WO Wiki (http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/ display/WO/Java+Client). Dave On Jan 21, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Florijan Stamenkovic wrote: Hi all, I am happy to say that the databinding library I've been working on (for WO + Swing) is ready for it's initial release. Of course, please note that this is version 0.x, and there could be serious bugs in it. Accompanying documentation and examples are there as well. http://web.mac.com/flor385/JBND/ My best, Flor -- Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40os.ca This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Jan 21, 2008, at 15:22, David Avendasora wrote: So, does the entire JBND framework exist on the client-side of the application? Yes. It looks like to me you could add a Java Client application on top of any existing web application without actually touching any of the existing code at all. Dave Yes :) You could. You would need to add the JavaClient wo component to your existing WO app. Besides that, sure. I'd however refrain from doing that because it would complicate debugging. It is super simple making a WO app to serve JavaClient apps, like 10 minutes of work, so unless you have some very important logic existing in the WO app, it might be a better solution to separate the two WO apps. Flor ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
