Re: [libreoffice-website] Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211
Hi, Robinson Tryon wrote on 2013-02-14 04:26: Aside from the weird wiki wackiness, things are going well! hm, what's happening in the wiki? Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Improving the usage of help.libreoffice.org site
On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 18:34 -0500, Robinson Tryon wrote: Does the help wiki need to be LGPLv3 because of the way it's combined with the binaries we ship, or is the license merely a vestige of its origins? The license is an important consequence of it's origins. As we push the 4.0 help, I would expect that to be MPLv2 licensed - but that is something we don't have freedom to arbitrarily change. Otherwise - there are some great ideas in this thread - thanks Zeki for bringing them up; pushed some of it to the ESC agenda for today to track :-) Hope that helps :-) ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211
Le 13/02/2013 18:21, Robinson Tryon a écrit : [...] I can ask the companies if we may use the images under those licensing terms. Any reason why something like CC-BY wouldn't work? CC-By could work, but it's less convenient. And also, it's supposed to be just correct technical picutres of their products, so I'm not sure they actually would be copyrightable: proposing them a CC-BY would suggest that we actually consider them as copytightable (and I'm personnaly against spreading this idea). CC-0 is more like we don't think it's copyrightable, but just in case. What's the next step here? (the images total about 30MB) Once you get the proper licence, uploaded them somewhere easily accessible by all: like wikimedia as Fabian suggested, or the libreoffice wiki. I'd suggest the libreoffice wiki, as it's a resource that the project controls. Wikimedia is less of a repository and more an active commons. Agree. IMHO, just do what's more convenient for you. Is the Libreoffice wiki the preferred location for source media, or is there some kind of in-house repository for such things? I saw klaus-jürgen ask for some additional pieces as SVG, and wondered if all these media assets might be easier to manage in some structure with subdirectories. I don't know. I have yet to solve the problem of format conversion. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-website] Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211
In terms of the new website will this be available to translators for translation via Pootle? -Original Message- From: Camille Moulin [mailto:camille.mou...@alterway.fr] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:06 AM To: Robinson Tryon Cc: Italo Vignoli; website LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-website] Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211 Le 13/02/2013 18:21, Robinson Tryon a écrit : [...] I can ask the companies if we may use the images under those licensing terms. Any reason why something like CC-BY wouldn't work? CC-By could work, but it's less convenient. And also, it's supposed to be just correct technical picutres of their products, so I'm not sure they actually would be copyrightable: proposing them a CC-BY would suggest that we actually consider them as copytightable (and I'm personnaly against spreading this idea). CC-0 is more like we don't think it's copyrightable, but just in case. What's the next step here? (the images total about 30MB) Once you get the proper licence, uploaded them somewhere easily accessible by all: like wikimedia as Fabian suggested, or the libreoffice wiki. I'd suggest the libreoffice wiki, as it's a resource that the project controls. Wikimedia is less of a repository and more an active commons. Agree. IMHO, just do what's more convenient for you. Is the Libreoffice wiki the preferred location for source media, or is there some kind of in-house repository for such things? I saw klaus-jürgen ask for some additional pieces as SVG, and wondered if all these media assets might be easier to manage in some structure with subdirectories. I don't know. I have yet to solve the problem of format conversion. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211
Hello Robinson, Great. Thanks. Camille Le 14/02/2013 04:26, Robinson Tryon a écrit : Okay, quick update: - ZaReason provided us their pictures under CC0. - I uploaded one of ZaReason's images to the wiki, but the other two gave me an upload filesize error, which is weird because they're both under 7MB and the wiki says it allows uploads up to 25MB. - I uploaded all three of System76's images, however two of them are not displaying properly (??) - Copies of the emails granting us permission to use the images have been filed with the appropriate people @ TDF. Aside from the weird wiki wackiness, things are going well! Oh, and you'll probably want this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Qubit/Images_of_computers If you need any help editing-out icons/mfr names from the bezel, please let me know. I'll get the other files uploaded once I track down the wiki issues. Cheers, --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Libo4 Pages: new version 20130213
Hi *, I have uploaded a new version: vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130213/ @Florian : we have included most of your modifications, but we may have missed some of them. As mentionned in an earlier mail, it would be better not to add a base tag, that would break IE support. This version should work nicely on smartphones, but there is a problem when switching back from mobile to desktop format (happens when you de-maximize, remaximize your window.) Considering this, I'm not sure if it should be put in production, but wanted to show you that actually, things are getting better. Cheers, Camille -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Czech mailing lists
Hi Kendy, Jan Holesovsky wrote on 2013-02-12 14:02: Yes, that's correct. An announce ML can follow later, after the users (uzivatele@) gets established in the community. all done now. :) Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Czech mailing lists
Hi Florian, Florian Effenberger píše v Čt 14. 02. 2013 v 13:50 +0100: Yes, that's correct. An announce ML can follow later, after the users (uzivatele@) gets established in the community. all done now. :) Thanks a lot! :-) All the best, Kendy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Camille Moulin camille.mou...@alterway.fr wrote: CC-By could work, but it's less convenient. And also, it's supposed to be just correct technical picutres of their products, so I'm not sure they actually would be copyrightable: proposing them a CC-BY would suggest that we actually consider them as copytightable (and I'm personnaly against spreading this idea). CC-0 is more like we don't think it's copyrightable, but just in case. IANAL, but I believe that even reference pictures of objects are generally considered copyrightable in the US (which is where the two companies are based). I'm not so familiar with the legal situation in other countries. Here's a brief blurb from Wikimedia that seems relevant: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Image_casebook#Utility_objects --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Wiki upload issues [was Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211]
(changing subject to avoid hijacking the thread for Libo4 Pages) On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Robinson Tryon wrote on 2013-02-14 04:26: Aside from the weird wiki wackiness, things are going well! hm, what's happening in the wiki? Hi Florian :-) 1) File uploads of around 6-7MB discourage user too strongly from upload (limit is stated to be 25MB) When I try to upload images I get the following warning: --- Upload warning It is recommended that files are no larger than 5242880; this file is 6722448. Please modify the file description below and try again. --- After looking at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56740 I now understand that this is just a warning and I may ignore it, however I have two pieces of feedback: a) Perhaps the warning should be more clear that it is acceptable to go forward (the buttons are down at the bottom of the page). Maybe I should be more aggressive here, but I saw the warning and thought that I should stop my upload. b) I don't think that modifying the file description is going to help make the file smaller! :-) Perhaps the warning could say --- Warning! The file you're trying to upload is larger than 5MB (your file is 6.5MB). Are you sure you want to upload this big file? If so, please click the confirmation button below. Thanks! --- 2) Some uploaded images display properly, some don't: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Qubit/Images_of_computers One 3.8MB file is displaying properly, but a couple of 4.1MB files are not. The file appears to have uploaded completely/correctly, as navigating to the full-resolution image works! For example: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d0/Sable-complete_0821.JPG Perhaps an issue in thumbnailing/resizing? Weirdly, the 6MB file I just uploaded is displaying without issue... 3) We need more license options in the drop-down file upload box We have - CC-BY-SA-3.0, and - CC-BY-SA 3.0 + LGPL + MPL We should add at least a few more: - CC-BY 3.0 - CC0 (the design team requested files under this license) For now, I've just selected a more restrictive license in the drop-down, and put the correct license in the Comments: field. Thanks for helping out with this :-) --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Wiki upload issues [was Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211]
On 02/14/2013 12:33 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote: (changing subject to avoid hijacking the thread for Libo4 Pages) On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Robinson Tryon wrote on 2013-02-14 04:26: Aside from the weird wiki wackiness, things are going well! hm, what's happening in the wiki? Hi Florian :-) 1) File uploads of around 6-7MB discourage user too strongly from upload (limit is stated to be 25MB) When I try to upload images I get the following warning: --- Upload warning It is recommended that files are no larger than 5242880; this file is 6722448. Please modify the file description below and try again. --- After looking at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56740 I now understand that this is just a warning and I may ignore it, however I have two pieces of feedback: a) Perhaps the warning should be more clear that it is acceptable to go forward (the buttons are down at the bottom of the page). Maybe I should be more aggressive here, but I saw the warning and thought that I should stop my upload. b) I don't think that modifying the file description is going to help make the file smaller! :-) Perhaps the warning could say --- Warning! The file you're trying to upload is larger than 5MB (your file is 6.5MB). Are you sure you want to upload this big file? If so, please click the confirmation button below. Thanks! --- 2) Some uploaded images display properly, some don't: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Qubit/Images_of_computers One 3.8MB file is displaying properly, but a couple of 4.1MB files are not. The file appears to have uploaded completely/correctly, as navigating to the full-resolution image works! For example: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d0/Sable-complete_0821.JPG Perhaps an issue in thumbnailing/resizing? Weirdly, the 6MB file I just uploaded is displaying without issue... 3) We need more license options in the drop-down file upload box We have - CC-BY-SA-3.0, and - CC-BY-SA 3.0 + LGPL + MPL We should add at least a few more: - CC-BY 3.0 - CC0 (the design team requested files under this license) For now, I've just selected a more restrictive license in the drop-down, and put the correct license in the Comments: field. Thanks for helping out with this :-) --R I was wondering something. Are these uploaded/displayed images going to be seen by default when someone visits the page? We still have dial-up users out there and 3 or 5 MB size files could take a few minutes to download for these users. Many of these users are in areas of the world that rarely seen any broad band access, or it is not affordable. Just wanted to ask. I know of some web designers that think every Internet user has high speed access, when I know of about a dozen people who either cannot afford it or live too far out in farm country to get access other than dial-up. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Some of more feedback for the new main homepage
Hi all, I have somewhat mixed feelings about the new libreoffice.org homepage ... but I don't want to go into any of that too much, as I didn't work on it at all and the new page is a marked improvement over the old one. Instead, I'd like to ask for a few small things that should be easy remedy: #1 Add outline: none; and some :hover/:active effect to the CSS of the ‹ and › buttons – the first one to remove the ugly whole-page outline around the right button, e.g. in Firefox; the second to overcome the accessibility/visibility bug we just created. #2 Make the page sliding animation faster – slow animations draw attention to themselves, fast ones help the user navigate. I think the animation is still in the first group. #3 Use a non-condensed font, e.g. regular Open Sans. The current font is pretty hard to read, especially on the Discover it page. #4 Don't rotate the Download LibreOffice now! text – it's a nice effect, but most people's font rendering/screens are terrible at displaying it. Thanks, Astron. (Please keep me in CC if you reply, I am not on this list.) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Some of more feedback for the new main homepage
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Stefan Knorr heinzless...@gmail.com wrote: #4 Don't rotate the Download LibreOffice now! text – it's a nice effect, but most people's font rendering/screens are terrible at displaying it. Hmm, now that you mention it, I do notice that the BR and OFF aren't lining up on the top. If I zoom-in the page a bunch, it looks a lot better :-) (U12.04.2+FF18.0.2) --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
