date:20130219


Hi,

Michael Meeks wrote on 2013-02-18 21:58:


Yes - sorry for not getting on top of that myself or forwarding it :-)
I'm aware of the following issues that I'd love to see fixed:

* Credits page as of now doesn't split out the artwork commits
  anymore - which is a shame (why not ?)


anyone knows how to create that? I have no idea... :-)


* Credits page doesn't include commits to the LibreOffice
  code-base from before we launched - it's sad to loose that
  history - I believe that was just turned off  could be
  re-enabled: perhaps it belongs right at the bottom (?)


Same here, if anyone can send me the HTML source to the new file 
including both, I can add it.


Florian

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[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Improving the usage of help.libreoffice.org site

2013-02-19 Thread Michael Meeks

Hi Zeki,

On Sat, 2013-02-16 at 02:26 +0200, Zeki Bildirici wrote:
 Previously i said that we should change people's habits to get help,
 and all stuff we had discussed are hypothetical base which we stand
 on.
...
 User surveys are best for in this conditions to get to know the users
 behavior. 

IMHO there is one user-survey which the user fills in for us when they
are unable to work out what to do - and that is the 'search' entry in
the wiki-help. And of course the help pages that they look at.

I would -love- to have that data made available: a simple list of
keywords and their frequency entered into that search box sorted by
relevance would provide a very cheap  easy method for working out what
is going on ;-)

Is that something the website / infrastructure guys could provide for
us ? :-)

Thanks !

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Improving the usage of help.libreoffice.org site


Hi,

Michael Meeks wrote on 2013-02-19 09:55:


I would -love- to have that data made available: a simple list of
keywords and their frequency entered into that search box sorted by
relevance would provide a very cheap  easy method for working out what
is going on ;-)

Is that something the website / infrastructure guys could provide for
us ? :-)


should you look at me, I would prefer if I could finish the migration of 
kermit (web server) and then bilbo (mail and download server), because 
both are rather critical and long overdue. Kermit is nearly done, but 
bilbo is at the end of its lifecycle, too, which we see in high load 
with every mirror push. After that, I have cycles free again, but until 
then, I'd like to focus on this work, if possible. :)


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Text exceeding button limits

Hi Marc,

Am 19.02.2013 07:02, schrieb Marc Paré:
 Could Erich or Christian take a look at the CD/DVD web page? The text
 for both the DE and NA DVD extends beyond the limits of the button.

Only the german iso as I see it here, for there is no minus in
allplatforms which breaks the link nicely for the english one. We will
change the naming accordingly in the first place.

Thanks for the reminder  :)

Actually I'd prefer a short description of the discs below
(halfblock-left is unused), then we could skip the 'verbose' filenames
at all.

Cheers
Erich

 [1] https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=4.0.0


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[libreoffice-website] Re: about wiki localization

2013-02-19 Thread Nino Novak


Am 18.02.2013 22:41, schrieb Daniel A. Rodriguez:

Is there any way to find out which wiki pages are not localized to a
particular language?


AFAIK all you can do is list all pages which do include the OrigLang 
Template (by clicking the What links here link from Toolbox[1]). Thus 
you get a list of the pages which have been translated into any language 
(or at least where translation has been suggested).


From here I guess you have to look at each page individually if a 
transltion exists.


What I did[2]: I pasted the sorted list from [1] into a text editor, 
added /de (for German translations) at the end, and transformed them 
into Wiki links (by simply adding [[ and ]] brackets around them). After 
pasting them into a wiki page, non-existing Translations are shown red :-)


HTH,
Nino

[1] 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:OrigLang

[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Nnino/Pages_with_translations

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[libreoffice-website] IPv6 stats


Hi,

for those curious: Yesterday, since I have enabled IPv6 on our website, 
we had 1 GB of IPv6 web traffic in total.


It's not that much compared to the 87 GB of IPv4 web traffic yesterday, 
but still, not bad :-)


Florian

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[libreoffice-website] Re: Text exceeding button limits


Le 2013-02-19 04:06, Erich Christian a écrit :

Hi Marc,

Am 19.02.2013 07:02, schrieb Marc Paré:

Could Erich or Christian take a look at the CD/DVD web page? The text
for both the DE and NA DVD extends beyond the limits of the button.


Only the german iso as I see it here, for there is no minus in
allplatforms which breaks the link nicely for the english one. We will
change the naming accordingly in the first place.

Thanks for the reminder  :)

Actually I'd prefer a short description of the discs below
(halfblock-left is unused), then we could skip the 'verbose' filenames
at all.

Cheers
Erich


[1] https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=4.0.0





Hmmm, perhaps you cannot see the 3.5 GB (Torrent, info) below the EN 
button? It's white text on white background.


Is there a way to allow for a larger (not longer) button on the DVD box 
web page? I think the LibOx sets of DVD's need to keep a good 
descriptive name for our users. This avoids our users from downloading 
the wrong language DVD which was fixed by adding more descriptive names.


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-website] Re: about wiki localization


Le 2013-02-19 06:25, Nino Novak a écrit :

Am 18.02.2013 22:41, schrieb Daniel A. Rodriguez:

Is there any way to find out which wiki pages are not localized to a
particular language?


AFAIK all you can do is list all pages which do include the OrigLang
Template (by clicking the What links here link from Toolbox[1]). Thus
you get a list of the pages which have been translated into any language
(or at least where translation has been suggested).

 From here I guess you have to look at each page individually if a
transltion exists.

What I did[2]: I pasted the sorted list from [1] into a text editor,
added /de (for German translations) at the end, and transformed them
into Wiki links (by simply adding [[ and ]] brackets around them). After
pasting them into a wiki page, non-existing Translations are shown red :-)

HTH,
Nino

[1]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:OrigLang
[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Nnino/Pages_with_translations



Thanks Nino, really neat!

Daniel: If you find any pages that are important enough to translate 
without the language bar, feel free to add the language menu bar to the 
page. I have tried to add the menu bar to as many important wiki pages 
as possible. I think most wiki authors now know to add the menu bar and 
that the origlang starts from English as the project has standardized 
itself on EN.


NOTE that this not mean that EN text should come first! If anyone in any 
other language has a page of importance, they can just create the EN 
page as a placeholder, put in the menu bar, and go ahead with their 
page. The EN teams will eventually make a translation of the page. The 
creation of any page of importance should be announced on the 
marketing/project lists.


Cheers,

Marc



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[libreoffice-website] Re: Mail subject lines


Le 2013-02-19 03:10, Florian Effenberger a écrit :

Hi,

Valentin Laskov wrote on 2013-02-18 21:21:

Clients add only Re: (result is Re: Re: Re: Re: [libreoffice-website])
but not Re: [libreoffice-website] (result is Re:
[libreoffice-website]Re:
[libreoffice-website]Re: [libreoffice-website])


it really depends. Thunderbird does a fairly good job, other clients are
a bit more problematic.

Florian



+1

Also FYI

On TB, I do not have any repetitions of the subject lines at all. 
Although I do the bulk of my lists reading on GMane which has a better 
hierarchy than just receiving filtered mail in my inbox folders -- the 
threads are well organized.


I do some messaging from email lists that are not on GMane and TB does 
not repeat subject lines at all though.


Marc

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[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Text exceeding button limits

2013-02-19 Thread rp...@yahoo.com

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Subject: [libreoffice-website] Re: Text exceeding button limits
Date: Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:57 am

Le 2013-02-19 04:06, Erich Christian a écrit :
 Hi Marc,

 Am 19.02.2013 07:02, schrieb Marc Paré:
 Could Erich or Christian take a look at the CD/DVD web page? The text
 for both the DE and NA DVD extends beyond the limits of the button.

 Only the german iso as I see it here, for there is no minus in
 allplatforms which breaks the link nicely for the english one. We will
 change the naming accordingly in the first place.

 Thanks for the reminder  :)

 Actually I'd prefer a short description of the discs below
 (halfblock-left is unused), then we could skip the 'verbose' filenames
 at all.

 Cheers
 Erich

 [1] https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=4.0.0

Hmmm, perhaps you cannot see the 3.5 GB (Torrent, info) below the EN
button? It's white text on white background.

Is there a way to allow for a larger (not longer) button on the DVD box
web page? I think the LibOx sets of DVD's need to keep a good
descriptive name for our users. This avoids our users from downloading
the wrong language DVD which was fixed by adding more descriptive names.

Cheers,

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Some of more feedback for the new main homepage

2013-02-19 Thread Camille Moulin


Le 18/02/2013 20:34, Stefan Knorr a écrit :

Hi Camille, Robinson, all,


 #1 Add outline: none; and some :hover/:active effect to the CSS of
 the ‹ and › buttons – the first one to remove the ugly whole-page
 outline around the right button, e.g. in Firefox; the second to
 overcome the accessibility/visibility bug we just created.
This should be fixed by now ; see :

http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130213/ 


Ah, good. And without creating usability problems


 #2 Make the page sliding animation faster – slow animations draw
 attention to themselves, fast ones help the user navigate. I think the
 animation is still in the first group.

Which settings would you recommend? 


Hm, my knowledge of JS debug tools is rather cursory ... so I couldn't 
try it in-browser, but maybe somewhere between 400 and 600ms would be 
better than a whole second..?

Ok, i'll test.


While I visited the page again, I noticed two more things btw:
* clicking Discover it breaks the back button in Firefox (big no)


Hum, indeed :-(




* the slides carousel never stops – which is slightly annoying, it 
would seem better to me if it stopped after getting back to the first 
slide (just personal opinion)




We'll see once we have solved the previous point ;-)


 #3 Use a non-condensed font, e.g. regular Open Sans. The current font
 is pretty hard to read, especially on the Discover it page.
That would impact significantly the layout. I'll have a more precise 
look into it.


Not sure, but since some slides's text cuts into the download button 
on smaller screens even now, maybe you'll have to adjust font size 
either way.



Ok, I'll test also.


Do you have a rough estimate of proportion / types of config where 
it's ugly ?
Looks rather ok on all the ones I checked (including Windows machines) 


Haven't checked on Windows machines, I am personally using OpenSuse 
with freetype-infinality and hinting setting none... I've attached 
part of a screenshot, hope the list lets this through.
If you can see it, you'll notice the RE and the C, as well as the OW 
seem to jump around quite a bit.

Yep, I see. So you would recommand just removing the effect?



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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Text exceeding button limits

Hi Marc, *

Am 19.02.2013 12:57, schrieb Marc Paré:
 Le 2013-02-19 04:06, Erich Christian a écrit :

 [1] https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=4.0.0


 Hmmm, perhaps you cannot see the 3.5 GB (Torrent, info) below the EN
 button? It's white text on white background.

I do, see screenshot (Firefox a.o.) but font + default font size also
count in here.
http://epas.at/content/scr.png


 Is there a way to allow for a larger (not longer) button on the DVD
 box web page? I think the LibOx sets of DVD's need to keep a good
 descriptive name for our users. This avoids our users from downloading
 the wrong language DVD which was fixed by adding more descriptive names.

The link [1] displays the DownloadSimplePage, so the button is here
https://www.libreoffice.org/themes/libo/images/download-button.png
and may be modified certainly.

Current template doesn't easily allow to use a second button as
background-image for the downloads list once it displays iso files
instead of installers.
We just display different names on top of the buttons by adding
?type=box to the /download url. So making them higher would result in
higher buttons for Main Installer + Help also atm.

Styles are part of the template and it might as well be possible to
enter an IF rule there, but I'm not sure about syntax and validity, some
quick trials with firebug didn't work. Pointers?

I didn't look for the button source now but if you want to give it a try
just enhance it the way you imagine and we exchange the pics then and
look forward to opinions.

Alternative could be a little more verbose description of the DVDs
displayed at the same paragraph where it states You need to download
and install these files in order: without type=box, and combined with
shorter link titles upon the buttons.

When I remember well we also had the filenames for LO installers upon
similar buttons in earlier days and switched to readable expressions
evolutionary.  ;)

Cheers
Erich

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[libreoffice-website] updating pumbaa and floyd


Hello,

first, a quick status quo: The web site migration is nearly done. 
Outstanding is the migration of the Plone sites, which I try to finish 
with Andreas this week, and the migration of Piwik, which I'll 
coordinate with Alin and Christian. We then will cancel the contract of 
our old kermit machine the next effective date, March 3rd.


Next major goal then is to migrate our second old server, bilbo, 
responsible for download and mail, by which we can finally put the old 
hardware out of service.


In the meantime, I'd like to update the machines that already have new 
hardware, but are not with the current base setup: floyd and pumbaa.


Anyone has objections that I update them from 11.10 to 12.04, and add 
the new base setup? Any expectable problems that could occur, e.g. with 
Puppet or BackupPC?


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Text exceeding button limits

Hi Tim, *

Am 19.02.2013 15:51, schrieb webmaster-Kracked_P_P:
 On 02/19/2013 01:02 AM, Marc Paré wrote:
 Could Erich or Christian take a look at the CD/DVD web page? The text
 for both the DE and NA DVD extends beyond the limits of the button.

 [1] https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=4.0.0

 This happenson some systems. My Ubuntu 12.04/MATE system using
 Firefox, shows the DE .iso name go beyond the green button, for
 http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=3.6.5
 I have been shown a screen clip for a Unity desktop where the font
 size is so tall that the Torrent and Info text has been pushed off
 thebottom of the green button.

 By change is there a CSS definition for the text font/size for the
 button font, or is it up to the user's browser to choose it, like it
 seem to be for the Unity/Firefox system.

Yes, the page template has styles overriding parts of the theme's
stylesheets.

Convenient ways to check respective styles in a browser window are e.g.
the Firebug addon for Firefox or the context menu 'Inspect Element' in
Chrome.

Downloads container's source would look like

div class=Downloads
div class=DownloadsLeft
ul
li
h2
a class=piwik_download 
href=http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.6.5/LibOx-3.6.5_Deutsch_DVD_allplatforms_multilang_extras_v1.iso;LibOx-3.6.5_Deutsch_DVD_allplatforms_multilang_extras_v1.iso/a
/h2
4.2 GB (
a class=piwik_download title=Download the files using
BitTorrent 
href=http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.6.5/LibOx-3.6.5_Deutsch_DVD_allplatforms_multilang_extras_v1.iso.torrent;Torrent/a
,
a title=See the md5sum and list of download mirrors for the
file 
href=http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.6.5/LibOx-3.6.5_Deutsch_DVD_allplatforms_multilang_extras_v1.iso.mirrorlist;Info/a
)
/li
li
/ul
/div
div class=DownloadsRight
/div

So the filenames are displayed as h2.

I don't want to paste more code here, however you may view the source
files here
https://github.com/tdf/cms-code/tree/master/mysite/templates/Layout

and here
https://github.com/tdf/cms-themes/tree/master/libo/css

Cheers
Erich



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Re: [libreoffice-website] Text exceeding button limits

Am 19.02.2013 16:15, schrieb Erich Christian:
 So the filenames are displayed as h2.

forgot:

 li h2 {font-size: 1.4em; }
so the fonts of whichever settings will be enlarged 1.4 times.

But it works well for the main downloads, that's why I've mentioned my
preferred alternative in an earlier mail.

Erich


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Text exceeding button limits


On 02/19/2013 10:35 AM, Erich Christian wrote:

Am 19.02.2013 16:15, schrieb Erich Christian:

So the filenames are displayed as h2.

forgot:

  li h2 {font-size: 1.4em; }
so the fonts of whichever settings will be enlarged 1.4 times.

But it works well for the main downloads, that's why I've mentioned my
preferred alternative in an earlier mail.

Erich




Chrome and Firefox show the text in different sizes. I use Ubuntu/MATE, 
and I saw a Ubuntu/Unity screen clip, and it was different as well.


So, it looks like if you have two lines of text in the green buttons, 
then there may be problems with the text size pushing the Torrent and 
Info text off the button where it is placed for the placement of the 
link to those options.


Never noticed it before, till I was emailed something about it.  As I 
stated, the text size works fine for my Firefox setup, but it seems not 
to work for Unity's setup or Chrome's.


Here is a clip of what the differences are with Firefox and Chrome.
http://libreoffice-na.us/chrome-vs-firefox.jpg

How hard would it be to define specifically to be, say  font-size: 
10pt;instead of something that relies on what the browser/system has 
set for the h2 size?  I know some people who play with the browser 
defaults and then they complain that the sites look wrong to them.  I 
had to create styles for each font size that was used in some of the 
web site projects I did, just to get them to look the same in both 
Firefox and IE.  Now that Chrome is in the mix and it seems to define 
its default text sizes different than FF, itmay make sense to 
dosomething to make sure the font/text size is what the web designers 
want it to look like instead of what the individual browsers think is best.


As I stated, I never saw a problem until someone asked me the other 
day.  I did not know there was an issue. Now I see what they see when I 
display the page in Chrome.






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[libreoffice-website] Re: [Libreoffice-website] RE: [Libreoffice-website] RE: [Libreoffice-website] Wiki upload issues [was Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211]


Le 2013-02-19 02:33, Robinson Tryon a écrit :

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:56 AM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com  wrote:

Well, as a bonus, if we went with Alfresco, we could also do a bit of CMIS
along with it. :-) And, as a bonus, maybe Alfresco devs would be able to
help?



https://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/web-administrators/
This page mentions Alfresco as if it were still in use, although one
of the links is dead and the other mentions documentation, which I
believe is now over at odfauthors.org on Plone.

Alfresco sounds like a good candidate. I think the next step in
considering it for this purpose is understanding why we moved away
from it for our localization and documentation work. If there are
limitations to the platform, best to identify them up front :-)

-- Robinson 'qubit' Tryon



The Alfresco server was not ours and the docs team who tried it decided 
to stay with the ODFAuthors workflow instead of using Alfresco. 
ODFAuthors has been with us from the very start and also was there with 
OOo.


Cedric also mentioned Plone as a possible candidate. Should this also be 
looked at? The LibreOffice extensions website works on Plone and also 
does CMIS (I think this is what Cedric mentioned).


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[libreoffice-website] Re: [Libreoffice-website] RE: [Libreoffice-website] RE: [Libreoffice-website] Wiki upload issues [was Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211]

2013-02-19 Thread Cédric Bosdonnat

Hi Robinson,

Robinson Tryon bishop.robinson at gmail.com writes:

 
 On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Christian Lohmaier
 lohmaier+ooofuture at googlemail.com wrote:
 
  Silverstripe [doesn't give us organization or versioning for free;
  we'd have to add that enhancement ourselves]
 
  While it is certainly possible to enhance the code to do so, it would
  be retrofitting it. And due to the history of bad requirements
  provided by the community, it will take long time to create it the way
  people would like it 
 
 The less we need to develop in-house, the better.

Indeed, there are quite a few products for document management
providing the convenient features we need.

  What is easy is to have silverstripe provide a list of links for files
  in a folder hierarchy. But there is nothing that would enforce a
  hierarchy for a given file, let's say you download and edit file foo
  from category writer, then I'd expect it to go back to category
  writer - but doing that is all up to the user who does upload the
  files.
 
 I agree: That setup might put too much responsibility on the user. If
 there's no 'sync my files' button or 'git commit -a', then it's going
 to be hard for us to keep our repository tidy and organized.

There it would be nice to be able to use a product providing a CMIS
access to the data. Then a user with his branch new LibreOffice 4.0
could open the document directly from the server, check it out, work
on it, and check it back in... It would help keeping the document
repository in a clean state and would all be in the LO GUI.

  For example I don't know what the problem with alfresco was. Only
  reason I remember reading here was that people were more familiar with
  the other platform for odfauthors.
 
 I haven't used silverstripe or alfresco. If someone wants to give me
 some credentials to an existing install (user: qubit), I'd be happy to
 poke around and learn more about their interaction and workflows.

Well, trying Alfresco isn't that hard... I can help you setting up a
virtual machine for test purpose. Alfresco is the one ECM/CMS I know
best as I used to provide consulting for it years ago, but we can
also have a look at other free software providing CMIS access. A
list (possibly not complete) of products support CMIS can be found
here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMIS#CMIS_Servers.

[...]
 
 Please feel free to make comments or update notes on that page. I'd
 especially like someone familiar with Silverstripe to fill in
 information.

I'll have a look at that page and will possibly add some bits there.
Thanks for starting it.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Libreoffice-website] RE: [Libreoffice-website] RE: [Libreoffice-website] Wiki upload issues [was Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211]

2013-02-19 Thread Cedric Bosdonnat

On Tue, 2013-02-19 at 11:58 -0500, Marc Paré wrote:
 Le 2013-02-19 02:33, Robinson Tryon a écrit :
  On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:56 AM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com  wrote:
  Well, as a bonus, if we went with Alfresco, we could also do a bit of CMIS
  along with it. :-) And, as a bonus, maybe Alfresco devs would be able to
  help?
 
 
  https://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/web-administrators/
  This page mentions Alfresco as if it were still in use, although one
  of the links is dead and the other mentions documentation, which I
  believe is now over at odfauthors.org on Plone.
 
  Alfresco sounds like a good candidate. I think the next step in
  considering it for this purpose is understanding why we moved away
  from it for our localization and documentation work. If there are
  limitations to the platform, best to identify them up front :-)
 
  -- Robinson 'qubit' Tryon
 
 
 The Alfresco server was not ours and the docs team who tried it decided 
 to stay with the ODFAuthors workflow instead of using Alfresco. 
 ODFAuthors has been with us from the very start and also was there with 
 OOo.

IMHO, the problems encountered with the Alfresco setup with the
documentation team are mainly on the organizational ones. Alfresco can
do a lot of interesting and useful things... but we first need to think
properly about the workflows and rules we need before setting up the
constraints. The case we are discussing here is less complex than the
doc team one and I'm convinced we could start with no complexity (like a
sort of file server with versioning) and setup workflows later when
people start to be used to the tool (may it be Alfresco or any other
one) and know what we can do with it.

 Cedric also mentioned Plone as a possible candidate. Should this also be 
 looked at? The LibreOffice extensions website works on Plone and also 
 does CMIS (I think this is what Cedric mentioned).

Well, I never said it does it... I said Plone has some sort of CMIS
support, but probably not mature enough yet. I also said I'll need the
CMIS feature on the templates website sooner or later, though it's not
done yet.

Plone may be a candidate, but I'm honestly not sure it's the best one
for what is usually called ECM (Enterprise Content Management)... which
is what we are looking for here.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Libreoffice-website] RE: [Libreoffice-website] RE: [Libreoffice-website] Wiki upload issues [was Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211]

2013-02-19 Thread David Nelson

Marc,

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

 The Alfresco server was not ours


That is not true actually, it was simply provided, after agreement by the
(now) BoD, by a community member (me) on my own server, using a TDF-granted
LibreOffice.org subdomain.

But the website team needs updating, as it is still the same text as when I
originally wrote it back in 2011. Since the docs team eventually decided to
use the ODFAuthors site, I closed that Alfresco server down after prior
notice to all. ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Text exceeding button limits

Hi Tim, *

Am 19.02.2013 17:49, schrieb webmaster-Kracked_P_P:
 On 02/19/2013 10:35 AM, Erich Christian wrote:
 Am 19.02.2013 16:15, schrieb Erich Christian:
 So the filenames are displayed as h2.
 forgot:

   li h2 {font-size: 1.4em; }
 so the fonts of whichever settings will be enlarged 1.4 times.

 But it works well for the main downloads, that's why I've mentioned my
 preferred alternative in an earlier mail.
 Chrome and Firefox show the text in different sizes. 

Not on my machine actually for it will be also up to the fonts installed
(identical settings given).
In my case our style 
body {font: 87.5%sans-serif;}li h2 {font-size: 1.4em; }
is displayed with Arial which is a narrow font and might not be
available on Ubuntu.

Anyways, we are looking for a solution, aren't we?

Interestingly if you compare the main downloads with dvd downloads the
latter 'h2' seems to be bigger than the first which wouldn't look better
if it was smaller. Admittingly no clue atm ...  anybody else?



 How hard would it be to define specifically to be, say  font-size:
 10pt;instead of something that relies on what the browser/system has
 set for the h2 size?


Not hard but rather an usability issue and not really up to date
webstandard imho.

Size fits well for the main downloads, so my feeling is rather to
 - find out why h2 for dvds displays different from h2 for main installers
 - and/or improve description / link title for dvds as mentioned earlier
in this thread
 - and/or improve the button to leave more space to different fonts ameitt

For perfectionism we could also include the 'proper' fonts we want to
distribute in our theme to make sure they get displayed on machines
where they are not installed. And they should display correctly
everywhere.
Suggestions are welcome.



 I know some people who play with the browser defaults and then they
 complain that the sites look wrong to them.

Yup, one cannot help everybody   ;)  but we can do our best  (TM R.R.)

Cheers
Erich

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[libreoffice-website] Re: Text exceeding button limits


Hi Erich,

Le 2013-02-19 11:49, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :



Chrome and Firefox show the text in different sizes. I use Ubuntu/MATE,
and I saw a Ubuntu/Unity screen clip, and it was different as well.

So, it looks like if you have two lines of text in the green buttons,
then there may be problems with the text size pushing the Torrent and
Info text off the button where it is placed for the placement of the
link to those options.

Never noticed it before, till I was emailed something about it. As I
stated, the text size works fine for my Firefox setup, but it seems not
to work for Unity's setup or Chrome's.

Here is a clip of what the differences are with Firefox and Chrome.
http://libreoffice-na.us/chrome-vs-firefox.jpg

How hard would it be to define specifically to be, say  font-size:
10pt;instead of something that relies on what the browser/system has
set for the h2 size? I know some people who play with the browser
defaults and then they complain that the sites look wrong to them. I
had to create styles for each font size that was used in some of the
web site projects I did, just to get them to look the same in both
Firefox and IE. Now that Chrome is in the mix and it seems to define
its default text sizes different than FF, itmay make sense to
dosomething to make sure the font/text size is what the web designers
want it to look like instead of what the individual browsers think is best.

As I stated, I never saw a problem until someone asked me the other day.
I did not know there was an issue. Now I see what they see when I
display the page in Chrome.



Actually, my FF shows the same as the Chrome in your example. I have not 
modded my FF.


I like the look on your FF version, and as far as the Deutsch, the title 
just needs to separate the allplatforms to all-platforms and IMO it 
would work just like the EN DVD title.


I don't think the fix you suggested would work. You suggested for 
example that there be a better description in the text above the 
buttons. However, the text is generic and is worded to fit the direct 
download of LibreOffice v.x.x.x.x and not the DVD's.


I think the simplest fix would be to shorten the DVD title to a 
reasonable length.


Erich:
Is there a way for you to tell us a number of allowable characters that 
would fit before it spills out of the button? If I counted right, the EN 
DVD title is 67 characters long. Perhaps keeping it to 45 characters 
long would allow enough just in case spaces just in case some users 
did mod their browsers.


Tim:
For example, as it stands now, if we were to keep to 45 characters-long, 
the present title would end as 
LO-4.0.0_English-NA-DVD_ALL-Plaforms_Multi-L You would have to rework 
your title to fit that length. For example you could rename it as: 
LibOx-4.0.0_English_NA-DVD_AllPlatforms-Lang =45 characters with no 
mention of extras, or v.1.ISO --no really sure if you need this ISO 
number here, it's really for your own information.


Marc


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[libreoffice-website] Re: IPv6 stats


Le 2013-02-19 06:49, Florian Effenberger a écrit :

Hi,

for those curious: Yesterday, since I have enabled IPv6 on our website,
we had 1 GB of IPv6 web traffic in total.

It's not that much compared to the 87 GB of IPv4 web traffic yesterday,
but still, not bad :-)

Florian



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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Text exceeding button limits

OK, this is weird, what is rp...@yahoo.com? And yes, I do have an HTC, 
but I did not access this list on my HTC.


Marc

Le 2013-02-19 07:29, rp...@yahoo.com a écrit :

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Kmmm;;mm;;mmmmmm;mm
;;;;;mm;;llmmmllmml;;//;
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From: Marc Parém...@marcpare.com
To:website@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-website] Re: Text exceeding button limits
Date: Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:57 am


Le 2013-02-19 04:06, Erich Christian a écrit :

Hi Marc,

Am 19.02.2013 07:02, schrieb Marc Paré:

Could Erich or Christian take a look at the CD/DVD web page? The text
for both the DE and NA DVD extends beyond the limits of the button.


Only the german iso as I see it here, for there is no minus in
allplatforms which breaks the link nicely for the english one. We will
change the naming accordingly in the first place.

Thanks for the reminder  :)

Actually I'd prefer a short description of the discs below
(halfblock-left is unused), then we could skip the 'verbose' filenames
at all.

Cheers
Erich


[1] https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=4.0.0





Hmmm, perhaps you cannot see the 3.5 GB (Torrent, info) below the EN
button? It's white text on white background.

Is there a way to allow for a larger (not longer) button on the DVD box
web page? I think the LibOx sets of DVD's need to keep a good
descriptive name for our users. This avoids our users from downloading
the wrong language DVD which was fixed by adding more descriptive names.

Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-website] Re: [Libreoffice-website] RE: [Libreoffice-website] RE: [Libreoffice-website] Wiki upload issues [was Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211]


Le 2013-02-19 12:27, David Nelson a écrit :

Marc,

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com  wrote:


The Alfresco server was not ours



That is not true actually, it was simply provided, after agreement by the
(now) BoD, by a community member (me) on my own server, using a TDF-granted
LibreOffice.org subdomain.

But the website team needs updating, as it is still the same text as when I
originally wrote it back in 2011. Since the docs team eventually decided to
use the ODFAuthors site, I closed that Alfresco server down after prior
notice to all. ;-)



Thanks for the info David.

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Text exceeding button limits

Hi Marc, Christian, *

Am 19.02.2013 19:03, schrieb Marc Paré:
 I like the look on your FF version, and as far as the Deutsch, the
 title just needs to separate the allplatforms to all-platforms and
 IMO it would work just like the EN DVD title.

Have already hinted Uwe to adapt the scripts for the next isos.


 I don't think the fix you suggested would work. You suggested for
 example that there be a better description in the text above the
 buttons. However, the text is generic and is worded to fit the direct
 download of LibreOffice v.x.x.x.x and not the DVD's.

The mentioned generic text is displayed on if Type != box and != src,
another one could be displayed on Type == box.

See 
https://github.com/tdf/cms-code/blob/master/mysite/templates/Layout/DownloadSimplePage.ss


 I think the simplest fix would be to shorten the DVD title to a
 reasonable length.

+1

 Erich:
 Is there a way for you to tell us a number of allowable characters
 that would fit before it spills out of the button? If I counted right,
 the EN DVD title is 67 characters long. Perhaps keeping it to 45
 characters long would allow enough just in case spaces just in case
 some users did mod their browsers.

Arial or Verdana or ...? 14, 15 or 16pt?  ;)  what's your estimated
average browser setting around?

No seriously, I'd like to think away from *displaying* these filenames.

Why not use a generic text telling users that they are up to download
multi-language plus extras DVDs providing either en or de ui language
and just name the links upon the buttons DVD Deutsch and DVD English ?
All other information could eventually be off the buttons.

@ Christian: is there a way to discriminate the DownloadsInstallType for
DVD isos by language, filename, whatever?

Cheers
Erich



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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Text exceeding button limits


On 02/19/2013 01:03 PM, Marc Paré wrote:

Hi Erich,

Le 2013-02-19 11:49, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :



Chrome and Firefox show the text in different sizes. I use Ubuntu/MATE,
and I saw a Ubuntu/Unity screen clip, and it was different as well.

So, it looks like if you have two lines of text in the green buttons,
then there may be problems with the text size pushing the Torrent and
Info text off the button where it is placed for the placement of the
link to those options.

Never noticed it before, till I was emailed something about it. As I
stated, the text size works fine for my Firefox setup, but it seems not
to work for Unity's setup or Chrome's.

Here is a clip of what the differences are with Firefox and Chrome.
http://libreoffice-na.us/chrome-vs-firefox.jpg

How hard would it be to define specifically to be, say  font-size:
10pt;instead of something that relies on what the browser/system has
set for the h2 size? I know some people who play with the browser
defaults and then they complain that the sites look wrong to them. I
had to create styles for each font size that was used in some of the
web site projects I did, just to get them to look the same in both
Firefox and IE. Now that Chrome is in the mix and it seems to define
its default text sizes different than FF, itmay make sense to
dosomething to make sure the font/text size is what the web designers
want it to look like instead of what the individual browsers think is 
best.


As I stated, I never saw a problem until someone asked me the other day.
I did not know there was an issue. Now I see what they see when I
display the page in Chrome.



Actually, my FF shows the same as the Chrome in your example. I have 
not modded my FF.


I like the look on your FF version, and as far as the Deutsch, the 
title just needs to separate the allplatforms to all-platforms and 
IMO it would work just like the EN DVD title.


I don't think the fix you suggested would work. You suggested for 
example that there be a better description in the text above the 
buttons. However, the text is generic and is worded to fit the direct 
download of LibreOffice v.x.x.x.x and not the DVD's.


I think the simplest fix would be to shorten the DVD title to a 
reasonable length.


Erich:
Is there a way for you to tell us a number of allowable characters 
that would fit before it spills out of the button? If I counted right, 
the EN DVD title is 67 characters long. Perhaps keeping it to 45 
characters long would allow enough just in case spaces just in case 
some users did mod their browsers.


Tim:
For example, as it stands now, if we were to keep to 45 
characters-long, the present title would end as 
LO-4.0.0_English-NA-DVD_ALL-Plaforms_Multi-L You would have to 
rework your title to fit that length. For example you could rename it 
as: LibOx-4.0.0_English_NA-DVD_AllPlatforms-Lang =45 characters with 
no mention of extras, or v.1.ISO --no really sure if you need this 
ISO number here, it's really for your own information.


Marc




The .iso maybe there since the text is the exact file namethat is 
picked up by the page system, maybe. . . .


I have no problem making the 3.6.6 and 4.0.1 version smaller names.

LO-4.0.1-NA-DVD-English-multi-OS-and-Lang.iso
instead of
LO-4.0.1_English-NA-DVD_All-Platforms_Multi-Lang_plus-extras_v1.iso

What would be nice it having a spot/box where there is a description of 
what the file is, so we can shorten the file name all we want but can 
have the text description stating which OSs and Language packs included, 
plus what language the DVD text is in, English, German, Spanish, French, 
etc., etc., with all you need to know about what you are downloading 
without guessing from the file name itself.






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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Text exceeding button limits



Just tell me what the 3.6.6 and 4.0.1 version names should be and I will 
make sure they are that when I upload them to the server.


You did that last time we changed the name format sometime last year or so.

Well 4.0.1 comes out in about 2 weeks and 3.6.6 in about 6 weeks. You 
and Marc, and whoever, can work out what the new DVD file name format by 
then.


LO-4.0.1-English-NA-DVD-. . . . . .  and whatever else fits.

I think we will need to not use the underline character and stick with 
dashes for the break point of the file name.  Does it break on the . 
character along with the - character?




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Re: [libreoffice-website] Bugzilla Attachments

2013-02-19 Thread Joel Madero

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

Hi,

Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote on 2013-02-18 09:17:

I wanted to upload a 7M Presentation to Bugzilla
(https://bugs.freedesktop.org/**show_bug.cgi?id=56911https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56911
).
But the Limit is 3M.

Is it possible to raise the limit? I think it's much easier for
developers to download the attachments when they are listed under
Attachments than read through all the comments.

BugZilla is not hosted in TDF infra. I'm Cc'ing Tollef, its admin.

This limit may be in a contract somewhere. Furthermore, in general we
prefer users to strip their sample files down to the bare minimum to show a
bug, rarely does this require more than the 3 meg limit. What we don't want
to do is encourage people to start attaching 5 meg files when a 100 kb
sample would do the trick.

On rare occasions I will personally accept a file and then send it to
fellow QA and dev members as we triage and fix the problem. A comment in
FDO saying Joel has the file is enough for people to ping me if they want
a copy.

Best,
Joel

--
*Joel Madero*
LibreOffice QA Volunteer
jmadero@gmail.com

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Text exceeding button limits

Hi Marc, *

Am 19.02.2013 19:34, schrieb Erich Christian:
 The mentioned generic text is displayed on if Type != box and != src,
 another one could be displayed on Type == box. 

Here [1] is an example for a type=box generic text and slightly modified
font-size/weight of the links for comparison.

Cheers
Erich

[1] https://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=3.5.4

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Text exceeding button limits