[libreoffice-website] Re: New libreoffice.org New Features and Fixes layout

2011-02-17 Thread Matt Sturgeon
OK, what info do we want to be providing? We should really base ideas around
that.

Do we want to filter by since which version l, and if so how many versions
back.

Do we want a list of LibreOffice specifics?

On 17 Feb 2011 11:25, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote:
 Hi Matt,

 On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 09:11 +, Matt Sturgeon wrote:
 OK, one possibility is moving the what makes it different into a new
 page, that saved the need for a whole bar. And also they could be much
 thinner to save space..

 Best to CC the list when you reply; please always use reply-all.

 Many of our most compelling features are those that are distinctively
 different from what OO.o provides.

 And - IMHO fragmenting data across pages is just a waste, people will
 not see it.

 HTH,

 Michael.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: New libreoffice.org New Features and Fixes layout

2011-02-17 Thread David Nelson
Hi Matt, :-)

My best advice is that right now we just need to make the present New
Features and Fixes page look good with the info that it currently
contains. May be a good idea to just keep it simple for now...

We need something where *all* the features/fixes are covered on the
same page, without the visitor having to go to different pages.

We need something that is a little less bandwidth-intensive on first
load - think nicely-presented thumbnails linked to enlargments.

It would maybe be rational to go with the slideshow widget (see the
page types dropdown list) wrapped up in some pretty CSS. For the CSS,
Ivan did some styles that are incorporated into the current site CSS
that you could maybe use. See this thread for info [1].

The present page really sucks, but we have not yet been able to
convince any of the design guys to jump in and start re-formatting...

Oh, and the last thing would be that we need it this year and not next
century! :-D (let's forget the iterative, community-based approach
normally recommended by the Design team for the moment and let's just
get the job done quickly).

Don't be shy to mail Michael directly, he's very interested in this page.

My 2 cents. HTH. ;-)

[1] 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/CSS-Styles-for-Website-Was-Problem-with-CSS-td2376192.html

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: New libreoffice.org New Features and Fixes layout

2011-02-17 Thread David Nelson
Hi Matt, :-)

Like I said, best to consider that Michael Meeks is the client for this page.

David Nelson


On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 02:40, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi Matt, :-)

 My best advice is that right now we just need to make the present New
 Features and Fixes page look good with the info that it currently
 contains. May be a good idea to just keep it simple for now...

 We need something where *all* the features/fixes are covered on the
 same page, without the visitor having to go to different pages.

 We need something that is a little less bandwidth-intensive on first
 load - think nicely-presented thumbnails linked to enlargments.

 It would maybe be rational to go with the slideshow widget (see the
 page types dropdown list) wrapped up in some pretty CSS. For the CSS,
 Ivan did some styles that are incorporated into the current site CSS
 that you could maybe use. See this thread for info [1].

 The present page really sucks, but we have not yet been able to
 convince any of the design guys to jump in and start re-formatting...

 Oh, and the last thing would be that we need it this year and not next
 century! :-D (let's forget the iterative, community-based approach
 normally recommended by the Design team for the moment and let's just
 get the job done quickly).

 Don't be shy to mail Michael directly, he's very interested in this page.

 My 2 cents. HTH. ;-)

 [1] 
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/CSS-Styles-for-Website-Was-Problem-with-CSS-td2376192.html

 David Nelson


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: New libreoffice.org New Features and Fixes layout

2011-02-17 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Michael, *,

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Michael Meeks
michael.me...@novell.com wrote:

 On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 06:03 +, Matt Sturgeon wrote:
 Which at the present time, is a very basic and over simplified mockup
 by me: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Features_Fixes_Mockup1.png

        Looks fine to me; but you're going to have to fight Silverstripe pretty
 hard (I suspect)

Creating a slideshow like navigation with previous/next buttons is
pretty easy, and is the latency of the site really a problem? For me
the site is very responsive...

 to get that thing loaded such that all the information
 is there, quickly to hand as/when someone visits the 'new features' tab.
 IMHO the 'easy' option of forcing the user to spend perhaps a minute in
 30x one second (best) latencies while clicking on new pages is a
 non-starter for me.

This could be done by using javascript, either using colorbox or jquery(ui),

        IMHO - it would be worth working out what is possible in linear time
 with Silverstripe first.

Well - not sure what you mean with linear time (or better what the
opposite of that is).
If I understood correctly, you fear that the time between clicking
next page and actually being able to read that next page/slide is
too long.

ciao
Christian

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[libreoffice-website] Re: New libreoffice.org New Features and Fixes layout

2011-02-17 Thread Matt Sturgeon
I think possibly the simplest solution is to have it as iframes.
This way it's basically the same as an
img slideshow, and also latency should be almost 0 since you load
the script and the first iframe src= /, and since each iframe
page should be tiny (just text, an image, and standard xhtml tags)
it's both modular and low bandwidth.


On 17 February 2011 20:01, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Michael, *,

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Michael Meeks
 michael.me...@novell.com wrote:

 On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 06:03 +, Matt Sturgeon wrote:
 Which at the present time, is a very basic and over simplified mockup
 by me: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Features_Fixes_Mockup1.png

        Looks fine to me; but you're going to have to fight Silverstripe 
 pretty
 hard (I suspect)

 Creating a slideshow like navigation with previous/next buttons is
 pretty easy, and is the latency of the site really a problem? For me
 the site is very responsive...

 to get that thing loaded such that all the information
 is there, quickly to hand as/when someone visits the 'new features' tab.
 IMHO the 'easy' option of forcing the user to spend perhaps a minute in
 30x one second (best) latencies while clicking on new pages is a
 non-starter for me.

 This could be done by using javascript, either using colorbox or jquery(ui),

        IMHO - it would be worth working out what is possible in linear time
 with Silverstripe first.

 Well - not sure what you mean with linear time (or better what the
 opposite of that is).
 If I understood correctly, you fear that the time between clicking
 next page and actually being able to read that next page/slide is
 too long.

 ciao
 Christian


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[libreoffice-website] Re: New libreoffice.org New Features and Fixes layout

2011-02-15 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Matt,

On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 06:03 +, Matt Sturgeon wrote:
 Which at the present time, is a very basic and over simplified mockup
 by me: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Features_Fixes_Mockup1.png

Looks fine to me; but you're going to have to fight Silverstripe pretty
hard (I suspect) to get that thing loaded such that all the information
is there, quickly to hand as/when someone visits the 'new features' tab.
IMHO the 'easy' option of forcing the user to spend perhaps a minute in
30x one second (best) latencies while clicking on new pages is a
non-starter for me.

IMHO - it would be worth working out what is possible in linear time
with Silverstripe first.

 The proposed method is basically a filtered slideshow (see mockup),
 but unlike traditional JavaScript slideshows, it should contain HTML
 rather than pixels.

Personally, of course I'd prefer something that presents a lot of
visual richness on the page that gives me a flavour of what changed;
rather than 50% of the screen being static navigation fluff of no
value ;-) but ... hey ho.

HTH,

Michael.

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