Re: [Webware-devel] MiddleKit thoughts

2001-10-18 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
At 01:26 AM 10/18/2001 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: >If you turned off caching (I'm not sure how this would work in MK), >and you used the ad-hoc-foreign-key trick, would MK work with stock >schemas and with multiple (non-MK) clients? Yes. Note that what is returned from store.fetchObjectsOfClass()

Re: [Webware-devel] MiddleKit thoughts

2001-10-17 Thread Ian Bicking
Chuck Esterbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In direct answer to your question, yes I have projects where multiple > clients hit the database, but no they are all MK. (Unless you count the > MySQL GUI that I sometimes use to fix things up.) If you turned off caching (I'm not sure how this woul

Re: [Webware-devel] MiddleKit thoughts

2001-10-17 Thread Jack Moffitt
> I think many web apps including my own could realize a big performance gain > if they only had to fetch objects that changed. I'd really like to see > databases allow clients to listen for this info, or a solution that effects > the same thing but as an add-on/tool. I've done this in a convo

Re: [Webware-devel] MiddleKit thoughts

2001-10-17 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
At 11:21 PM 10/17/2001 -0600, Jack Moffitt wrote: > > Not only doesn't MK deal well with legacy databases, I don't think it > > would deal well at all with non-MK clients accessing and updating the > > database. At least that is my impression, as MK does a lot of > > caching. > >I'd like to hear

Re: [Webware-devel] MiddleKit thoughts

2001-10-17 Thread Jack Moffitt
> Do you have to access that storage from different programs? If not > then you could just transfer the information to the new (slightly > different) database structure. Well, yes. That's part of the reason for using LDAP, in that browsing clients can use it directly. So one interface would be

Re: [Webware-devel] MiddleKit thoughts

2001-10-17 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
At 11:02 PM 10/17/2001 -0600, Jack Moffitt wrote: > > At 07:39 PM 10/17/2001 -0600, Jack Moffitt wrote: > > >Has anyone put any brainpower towards this already that I can jump in > > >on? Chuck mentioned he had some ideas... what are they? :) > > > > I did? Er, I use MK for just about everything.

Re: [Webware-devel] MiddleKit thoughts

2001-10-17 Thread Jack Moffitt
> At 07:39 PM 10/17/2001 -0600, Jack Moffitt wrote: > >Has anyone put any brainpower towards this already that I can jump in > >on? Chuck mentioned he had some ideas... what are they? :) > > I did? Er, I use MK for just about everything. As you said in the snippet I quoted, you had some ideas f

Re: [Webware-devel] MiddleKit thoughts

2001-10-17 Thread Aaron Held
]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [Webware-devel] MiddleKit thoughts > Ian Bicking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyway, that's where I am myself. There's other similar things to MK, > >

Re: [Webware-devel] MiddleKit thoughts

2001-10-17 Thread Ian Bicking
Ian Bicking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, that's where I am myself. There's other similar things to MK, > but most of them are lame dictionary interfaces (which capture the > easy 90% of the problem, but just make the other 10% of SQL queries > more awkward). I've looked at PyDO a little

Re: [Webware-devel] MiddleKit thoughts

2001-10-17 Thread Ian Bicking
Jack Moffitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MiddleKit seems to be very easy when you don't to worry about the > database details. But when you have a storage system already in place > and need the middle objects, it doesn't really help. Do you have to access that storage from different programs?

Re: [Webware-devel] MiddleKit thoughts

2001-10-17 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
At 07:39 PM 10/17/2001 -0600, Jack Moffitt wrote: >Has anyone put any brainpower towards this already that I can jump in >on? Chuck mentioned he had some ideas... what are they? :) I did? Er, I use MK for just about everything. Something interesting that one of the MK users brought up is that y