Re: [whatwg] Internal character encoding declaration, Drop UTF-32, and UTF and BOM terminology

2007-06-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007, Peter Karlsson wrote: I don't think forbidding BOCU-1 is a good idea. If there is ever a proper specification written of it, it could be very useful as a compression format for documents. BOCU-1 has been used for security attacks. It's on the no fly list. Do

Re: [whatwg] The issue of interoperability of the video element

2007-06-25 Thread Dave Singer
At 10:16 +1000 25/06/07, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Thanks Maciej for summarising Apple's position so nicely. I think it's good that you have spelled it out: Apple is happy to support MPEG-4, which has known patent encumberance and unknown submarine patents, while Apple is not happy to support

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing

2007-06-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007, Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: What about the Gecko entity parsing extension? - IE consitently parses unterminated entities from latin-1 - Gecko parses all unterminated entities, even those beyond latin-1, but only in text-content, not in attributes. (seems my recent

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing

2007-06-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007, Sam Ruby wrote: With the latest changes to html5lib, we get a failure on a test named test_title_body_named_charref. Before, A mdash B == A — B, now A mdash B == A amp;mdash B. Is that what we really want? Testing with Firefox, the old behavior is preferable.

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing

2007-06-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007, �istein E. Andersen wrote: Personally, I would prefer something along these lines: I. All entities are created equal (the burden of carrying a semicolon shall be equally distributed amongst all). For authors, this is now the case. For implementations, we are pretty

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing

2007-06-25 Thread Allan Sandfeld Jensen
On Monday 25 June 2007 09:19, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sat, 23 Jun 2007, Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: What about the Gecko entity parsing extension? - IE consitently parses unterminated entities from latin-1 - Gecko parses all unterminated entities, even those beyond latin-1, but only in

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing

2007-06-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: In Konqueror, we support both, and it appears by my little test that Firefox 2 does the same now. - In attributes all unclosed latin-1 tags are accepted. - In text-content ALL unclosed tags are accepted. A little inconsistent, but I

Re: [whatwg] The issue of interoperability of the video element

2007-06-25 Thread Gervase Markham
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: This has been discussed to death already, but here are our basic reasons: - MPEG-4 is an ISO open standard (although unfortunately patent-encumbered). No-one is telling you not to support MPEG-4. - H.264 offers considerably better quality at the same bitrate than

Re: [whatwg] The issue of interoperability of the video element

2007-06-25 Thread Gervase Markham
Dave Singer wrote: What is more, no-one with deep pockets has yet used the Ogg codecs seriously, and therefore there is no honey pot to attract the submarines (hm, do submarines like honey?). This is not the case with H.264 and AAC, as we have made, um, some money using them, among others.

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing

2007-06-25 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
If there is a character set that sports both, it must be used to put down some human language. My point there is no language that could make use of this distinction by having both uuml; and utrema;. There are languages that use uuml; and theoretically there could be ones that use utrema;,

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing

2007-06-25 Thread Simon Pieters
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:47:57 +0200, Simon Pieters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://simon.html5.org/test/html/parsing/entities/trailing-semicolon/ [...] I might create proper test cases on this later when this is specced. Done:

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing

2007-06-25 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Inconsistently, as of IE7: I got ge verbatim from your test. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Sandfeld Jensen Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:55 PM To: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Subject: Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing What about

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing [trema/diaresis vs umlaut]

2007-06-25 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
A stressed schwa is present in Polish maritime dialect as well (Kaszëbszczi) and Slovaks write mäso for miaso (meat), but that is not the point. All such uses can be covered under the hood of the dieresis; I only want the true umlaut to be distinct, not as a code point but as an entity name.

Re: [whatwg] The issue of interoperability of the video element

2007-06-25 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi Dave, On 6/25/07, Dave Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:16 +1000 25/06/07, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Thanks Maciej for summarising Apple's position so nicely. I think it's good that you have spelled it out: Apple is happy to support MPEG-4, which has known patent encumberance and

Re: [whatwg] The issue of interoperability of the video element

2007-06-25 Thread Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves
According to Wikipedia, ATT is trying to sue companies such as Apple Inc. over alleged MPEG-4 patent infringement.[1][2][3] I would be fascinated to see a statement from Apple, Inc. regarding this. It's also quite interesting that different portions of MPEG-4, including different sections of

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing [trema/diæresis vs umlaut]

2007-06-25 Thread Øistein E . Andersen
On 25 Jun 2007, at 11:44AM, Křištof Želechovski wrote: A stressed schwa is present in Polish maritime dialect as well (Kaszëbszczi) and Slovaks write mäso for miaso (meat), but that is not the point. All such uses can be covered under the hood of the dieresis; I really do not understand why

Re: [whatwg] The issue of interoperability of the video element

2007-06-25 Thread Maik Merten
Dave Singer schrieb: At 10:16 +1000 25/06/07, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: can I insert the same phrase you used and unknown submarine patents? Otherwise you mis-characterize the position. What is more, no-one with deep pockets has yet used the Ogg codecs seriously, and therefore there is no

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing

2007-06-25 Thread Øistein E . Andersen
On 25 Jun 2007, at 11:57AM, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: Inconsistently, as of IE7: I got ge verbatim from your test. ge; is /not/ a latin-1 entity. -- Øistein E. Andersen

Re: [whatwg] The issue of interoperability of the video element

2007-06-25 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon
On 25 Jun 2007, at 13:21, Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves wrote: According to Wikipedia, ATT is trying to sue companies such as Apple Inc. over alleged MPEG-4 patent infringement.[1][2][3] I would be fascinated to see a statement from Apple, Inc. regarding this. Seeming they are already under risk

Re: [whatwg] The issue of interoperability of the video element

2007-06-25 Thread Dave Singer
At 13:21 +0100 25/06/07, Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves wrote: According to Wikipedia, ATT is trying to sue companies such as Apple Inc. over alleged MPEG-4 patent infringement.[1][2][3] I would be fascinated to see a statement from Apple, Inc. regarding this. I regret that we (like most companies)

Re: [whatwg] The issue of interoperability of the video element

2007-06-25 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, On 6/25/07, Maik Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] If Safari is encountering application/ogg and it can't decode that stuff then redirect (after asking of course) the user to a fitting QuickTime component download page on e.g. xiph.org or even automate the process of installing a

Re: [whatwg] The issue of interoperability of the video element

2007-06-25 Thread Spartanicus
Silvia Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No need to encode as a java applet - all you need to do is put the java applet on the server together with your Ogg Theora content. And - by all means - this is not supposed to be an end solution, but just a fix to bridge the gap until all Browsers support

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing [trema/diaresis vs umlaut]

2007-06-25 Thread Sander
Křištof Želechovski schreef: Could I have an example of otrema; please? Something along the lines of zoölogy, but actually required? Not that I doubt your knowledge of Dutch but I would like to have it as a demonstration. Chris coördinaten BTW: neither of the quotes below are mine ;-)

Re: [whatwg] The issue of interoperability of the video element

2007-06-25 Thread Jeff Fohl
Forgive my intruston, as I have been a lurker on this discussion for some months, and some of the discussion often goes over my head. This may have been proposed (if it has, I apologize for wasting your time), and perhaps I do not fully appreciate the implications - but perhaps a solution would

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing [trema/diæresis vs umlau t]

2007-06-25 Thread Sander
Øistein E. Andersen schreef: French dictionaries require loan-words like angström, führer and länder (plural of land) to be spelt with an umlaut, but these are of course too rare for a differentiation tréma/umlaut to have developed, and I would imagine German imports with umlaut to be only

[whatwg] HTMLCollections testing

2007-06-25 Thread Simon Pieters
I've tried to figure out which elements are filtered for when getting the various collection attributes. http://simon.html5.org/test/html/dom/htmlcollections/ (I've emailed about 001..006 before, this email is about 007..019.) Below is what doesn't work as currently specced.

Re: [whatwg] several messages

2007-06-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: If there is a character set that sports both, it must be used to put down some human language. My point there is no language that could make use of this distinction by having both uuml; and utrema;. There are languages that use uuml; and

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing [trema/diæresis vs uml aut]

2007-06-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, �istein E. Andersen wrote: On 25 Jun 2007, at 11:44AM, Křištof Želechovski wrote: A stressed schwa is present in Polish maritime dialect as well (Kaszëbszczi) and Slovaks write mäso for miaso (meat), but that is not the point. All such uses can be covered under

Re: [whatwg] The issue of interoperability of the video element

2007-06-25 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
So a company which owns a patent on a standard that can bought and read at freedom is just as bad as a company which owns a patent on a standard that has absolutely no public documentation? If you're talking about Ogg Theora, then you've got your facts wrong. First of all, Ogg Theora is not

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing

2007-06-25 Thread Øistein E . Andersen
On 25 Jun 2007, at 8:28AM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sun, 24 Jun 2007, Øistein E. Andersen wrote: HTML5 currently follows IE7 much more closely than Safari, Firefox and Opera do, which seems to suggest that some of the quirks could be dispensed with. It's possible, though people kept pointing

Re: [whatwg] Entity parsing

2007-06-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, �istein E. Andersen wrote: I am looking forward to seeing more extensive research on this. The informal research I did when updating the spec suggests that the current state of the spec is what is better. I don't really know how to do more research -- it's quite hard to

Re: [whatwg] The issue of interoperability of the video element

2007-06-25 Thread timeless
On 6/25/07, Spartanicus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My main worry relates to the usability and accessibility of future audio and video web content. Content including the wrapping should be free, you don't quite mean that. if a content producer wants to make pay content, it should be free to do

Re: [whatwg] The issue of interoperability of the video element

2007-06-25 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, (Sorry if this gets posted twice.) On 6/25/07, timeless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/25/07, Spartanicus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My main worry relates to the usability and accessibility of future audio and video web content. Content including the wrapping should be free, you don't