Re: [whatwg] Offline Web Apps

2007-09-13 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On 9/11/07, Dimitri Glazkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since, AFAIK, the fragment identifier is not passed onto the server by the UA, I can't see how an application could be designed with proper noscript degradation and reliance frament ids for query communication. Besides, using query

Re: [whatwg] Offline Web Apps

2007-09-13 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:22:59 +0200, Robert O'Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/11/07, Dimitri Glazkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since, AFAIK, the fragment identifier is not passed onto the server by the UA, I can't see how an application could be designed with proper noscript degradation

[whatwg] Persistent Scripting Context, was: Offline Web Apps

2007-09-13 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
I've been sitting on this thought for almost a week, and with no time in sight to formalize it into some sort of a proposal, I believe it'd be better just to blurt it out here. Alex Russell's post was the proverbial straw (http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=623#more-623). Overall, I think Ian's

Re: [whatwg] Offline Web Apps

2007-09-13 Thread Aaron Boodman
On Sep 13, 2007 4:44 AM, Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure I understand the query parameter use case. If you have a web page foo.cgi?page=x wouldn't that page also be simply the offline page? What exactly is the scenario in some more detail? I feel like me and the other

Re: [whatwg] Offline Web Apps

2007-09-13 Thread Darin Adler
On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Aaron Boodman wrote: They could rewrite bugzilla to use fragment identifiers instead of querystrings, but then bug shortcuts on the web would not work with the offline-enabled application. If you're designing a new application, even one that works both online

Re: [whatwg] Offline Web Apps

2007-09-13 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
On 9/13/07, Aaron Boodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bugzilla scenario is a good one. Someone wants to offline-enable bugzilla. They could rewrite bugzilla to use fragment identifiers instead of querystrings, but then bug shortcuts on the web would not work with the offline-enabled

Re: [whatwg] Offline Web Apps

2007-09-13 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
The following has a rant flavor to it, but I am hoping you'll find it helpful in the thought process. Distinct, server-reaching URLs (no fragment identifiers) for each page in an web application are a _good_thing_. Packing the whole application into one document and managing history with id

Re: [whatwg] Offline Web Apps

2007-09-13 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:21:21 +0200, Dimitri Glazkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would've loved it if Google Reader had a distinct URL for each click I make on the page, and I am sure Google Reader devs would've loved it too. Except they also would've loved not having to worry about the

Re: [whatwg] Offline Web Apps

2007-09-13 Thread Aaron Boodman
On Sep 6, 2007 5:46 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We provide an API that can add files to the cache, and that can be queried to determine if we are in upgrader mode or not, and that can swap in a new cache without reloading the page, during the 'upgrading' event. Given this, and the

Re: [whatwg] Offline Web Apps

2007-09-13 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Aaron Boodman wrote: The bugzilla scenario is a good one. Someone wants to offline-enable bugzilla. They could rewrite bugzilla to use fragment identifiers instead of querystrings, but then bug shortcuts on the web would not work with the offline-enabled application.

Re: [whatwg] Offline Web Apps

2007-09-13 Thread Aaron Boodman
On Sep 13, 2007 1:59 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, but what are you proposing to _solve_ this? There's no difference between the following two models as I see it: * Download an HTML page for each bug * Download a single page to generate the bug pages plus one data

Re: [whatwg] Offline Web Apps

2007-09-13 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Aaron Boodman wrote: Ok, but what are you proposing to _solve_ this? There's no difference between the following two models as I see it: * Download an HTML page for each bug * Download a single page to generate the bug pages plus one data page per bug

[whatwg] Web Forms: SELECT, OPTION, and defaultSelected

2007-09-13 Thread Garrett Smith
Section 2.3 I didn't get any responses on this. It doesn't have any cool like ajax offline; it is a more fundamental (basic) requirement. There is a shortcoming in the specification. 2.3. Extensions to the select element Previous

[whatwg] WF 2.0 -- HTMLTextAreaElement [ type ] attribute

2007-09-13 Thread Garrett Smith
Regarding the [type] attribute: interface HTMLTextAreaElement : HTMLElement { attribute DOMString defaultValue; readonly attribute HTMLFormElement form; attribute DOMString accessKey; attribute long

Re: [whatwg] WF 2.0 -- HTMLTextAreaElement [ type ] attribute

2007-09-13 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Garrett Smith wrote: Regarding the [type] attribute: interface HTMLTextAreaElement : HTMLElement { attribute DOMString defaultValue; readonly attribute HTMLFormElement form; attribute

[whatwg] successful form controls

2007-09-13 Thread Garrett Smith
I found a few mistakes in the spec. === 5.1. Successful form controls The controls that are successful are those that are included in the submission (in the form data set) when their form is submitted. All form controls are successful

Re: [whatwg] WF 2.0 -- HTMLTextAreaElement [ type ] attribute

2007-09-13 Thread Garrett Smith
On 9/13/07, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Garrett Smith wrote: snipola (WF2 is just a delta spec, it doesn't define anything that is already in HTML4 and DOM2 HTML. When WF2 is merged with the rest of HTML5, it will be turned into a real spec.) There isn't any

Re: [whatwg] WF 2.0 -- HTMLTextAreaElement [ type ] attribute

2007-09-13 Thread Weston Ruter
It appears that there is a _DOM_ attribute type [1], but not a _content_ attribute type [2]. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-HTML/html.html#HTML-HTMLTextAreaElement-type [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#h-17.7 On 9/13/07, Garrett Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

Re: [whatwg] WF 2.0 -- HTMLTextAreaElement [ type ] attribute

2007-09-13 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Garrett Smith wrote: On 9/13/07, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Garrett Smith wrote: snipola (WF2 is just a delta spec, it doesn't define anything that is already in HTML4 and DOM2 HTML. When WF2 is merged with the rest of HTML5, it will be