Re: [whatwg] The ins and del elements and comments thereon

2008-04-22 Thread timeless
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ul li insSome list item/ins delAnother list item/del /li /ul ...or: ul liinsSome list item/ins/li lidelAnother list item/del/li /ul do you want an example showing

Re: [whatwg] distinguishing examples

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005, fantasai wrote: Looking at http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-cite I think that adopting a clearly-styled markup convention for good examples and bad examples (like [1]) would be helpful. Someone carelessly skimming your text should not be able to

Re: [whatwg] WA1: meta attribute requirements

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would mean that leaving the attribute out violates a conformance requirement, making the document non-conformant. ...the advantage of which being...? I don't understand the point in making this code: // this element will be used

Re: [whatwg] WA1: conformance checker conformance requirements

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, fantasai wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, fantasai wrote: Please tell me you don't expect conformance checkers to check for potentially invalid JavaScript output... Obviously not, as that is mathematically impossible. Then, please make that

Re: [whatwg] Feeedback on dfn, abbr, and other elements related to cross-references

2008-04-22 Thread Christoph Päper
Ian Hickson: HTML5 had a complex mechanism for cross-references using dfn, abbr, i, and so forth. I've removed it. It really didn't add much compared to a href= other than a whole lot of complexity, and there was very little demand for it really. It was kinda cool, though. I've also made

Re: [whatwg] Feeedback on dfn, abbr, and other elements related to cross-references

2008-04-22 Thread Christoph Päper
Nicholas Shanks: I hope the following aids matters. Aids? :) Situations where expansions of abbreviations are needed: 1) People unfamiliar with the topic being discussed. This includes adhoc abbreviations, which I frequently use in table headers. 2) Documents that exist as

[whatwg] Editorial: Tokenisation

2008-04-22 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Hi, In the Tokenisation section, the spec states: | Start and end tag tokens have a tag name, a self-closing flag, and a | list of attributes, each of which has a name and a value. When a | DOCTYPE token is created, its self-closing flag must be unset... That should say When a start or end

Re: [whatwg] WA1: Conformance requirements

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Aankhen wrote: On 3/11/06, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I've reworded the paragraph like this: pSome conformance requirements are phrased as requirements on elements, attributes, methods or objects. Such requirements fall into two

Re: [whatwg] Broken references links to IETF website

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, dolphinling wrote: All the links to the IETF website in the references section are broken. It looks like they're just missing extensions. Is this a temporary bug in their site, a permanent change, or has it always been that way? I believe they've now fixed this. --

Re: [whatwg] Feeedback on dfn, abbr, and other elements related to cross-references

2008-04-22 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 2008-04-21 à 13:20, Tab Atkins Jr. a écrit : Plus, who actually wants to mark up every instance of an abbreviation? That's a ton of work for next to no reward, and apparently isn't something that can be automated (since there are conflicts between abbreviations and actual words). Mark

Re: [whatwg] Spelling error: labelled -- labeled

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 5 Nov 2006, Elliotte Harold wrote: Multiple times in the draft labelled should be change to labeled (unless maybe this is a British spelling?) I always get this one wrong myself, and wouldn't have noticed if the spell checker in Thunderbird hadn't complained.

Re: [whatwg] Valid Unicode

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Elliotte Harold wrote: In 9.1.3 we see Text must consist of valid Unicode characters other than U+. Text should not contain control characters other than space characters. Later in 9.2.3.1 we find: If the number is not a valid Unicode character (e.g. if the

Re: [whatwg] Valid Unicode

2008-04-22 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Apr 22, 2008, at 14:18, Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Elliotte Harold wrote: 2. Are control characters allowed (probably yes, based on other parts of the spec). No as raw characters. Control characters that aren't in U+80-U+9F are allowed as entities. ... 6. Are noncharacters

Re: [whatwg] Footnotes, end notes, side notes

2008-04-22 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 2008-04-21 à 8:19, Ian Hickson a écrit : On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Michel Fortin wrote: Interesting. If I understand well, this CSS proposal would allow a note inserted in the middle of a paragraph to become a footnote. For instance this: pThis paragraph has a footnotefootnoteThis is a

[whatwg] Are unfocusable elements focusable with tabIndex=-1.

2008-04-22 Thread sjoerd
Hi, An incompatibility between the implementation of tabIndex between IE and Firefox caught my attention because Webkit is now implementing tabIndex as well. [1] In IE, unfocusable elements with tabIndex=-1 are still not focusable. In Firefox they are focusable. Focusable elements stay focusable

Re: [whatwg] Are unfocusable elements focusable with tabIndex=-1.

2008-04-22 Thread Aaron Leventhal
As I mentioned in the WebKit bug report just now (https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7138): The WhatWG spec appears to be wrong, in that it says: A negative integer specifies that the element should be removed from the tab order. If the element does normally take focus, it may still be

Re: [whatwg] Are unfocusable elements focusable with tabIndex=-1.

2008-04-22 Thread Aaron Leventhal
So how do I know if this has been registered as a pending issue that will be fixed in the spec? I checked with Opera and they also do tabindex=-1 makes anything focusable. So the spec is out of line with implementations. - Aaron

Re: [whatwg] Are unfocusable elements focusable with tabIndex=-1.

2008-04-22 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Apr 22, 2008, at 23:35, Aaron Leventhal wrote: So how do I know if this has been registered as a pending issue that will be fixed in the spec? It should show up under http://canvex.lazyilluminati.com/misc/cgi/issues.cgi/folder/widgets-tabindex once Hixie has filed the email. -- Henri

Re: [whatwg] Are unfocusable elements focusable with tabIndex=-1.

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Aaron Leventhal wrote: So how do I know if this has been registered as a pending issue that will be fixed in the spec? Any e-mail sent to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list that has actionable feedback (like yours) well get a reply in due course. If for some reason you need

[whatwg] A suggestion, if postMessage becomes async

2008-04-22 Thread Jeff Walden
Make the targetOrigin argument non-optional. * would mean don't care while anything else would specify an origin (or result in a syntax error). If this is done, it's no longer possible to have time-of-check/time-of-use issues (in the async case) without the web developer explicitly choosing

Re: [whatwg] Feeedback on dfn, abbr, and other elements related to cross-references

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
Summary: I've made the title= attribute on abbr optional again. On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Jens Meiert wrote: The point of abbr is to expand the acronym, not to just mark up what is an acryonym or abbreviation. Doesn't this claim that the general information that some text is an

Re: [whatwg] Minor event-source (SSE) modification

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Michael Carter wrote: Unfortunately, the current Server-sent Events specification provides no way for a user of the event-source API to know the value of the lastEventId, thus making it impossible to send an ACK out-of-band. We have two proposals, either of which can

Re: [whatwg] The ins and del elements and comments thereon

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, timeless wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ul li insSome list item/ins delAnother list item/del /li /ul ...or: ul liinsSome list item/ins/li lidelAnother list