Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2012-02-12 Thread Ashley Sheridan
Riveting tale, chap. Can you provide proof? Actually the burden of proof is on those who think that blockquote has some useful support. No, that's not how burden of proof works. You made a claim regarding blockquote, nils asked for proof. The onus is on you. Thanks, Ash

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2012-02-12 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-02-12 8:36, Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: Since in current usage, blockquote means just “indent” more often than not, browsers and search engines should not and will not imply any specific semantics for it. Thus it will be pointless to use it. Riveting tale, chap. Can you provide proof?

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2012-02-12 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi schrieb am Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:04:13 +0200: 2012-02-12 8:36, Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: Since in current usage, blockquote means just “indent” more often than not, browsers and search engines should not and will not imply any specific semantics for

Re: [whatwg] Allow Fallback Text to Render Section Titles in Outlines

2012-02-12 Thread Hugh Guiney
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis bhawkesle...@googlemail.com wrote: Doesn't the spec imply it should? That depends on whom you ask. I would think that it does, but since it doesn’t explicitly say to parse alternative text for replaced elements, implementors could simply

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2012-02-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: 2012-02-12 2:13, Ian Hickson wrote: That's not to say that one day we won't provide an explicit way to mark up attribution for blockquotes in markup, just that the desired presentation isn't a relevant concern in doing so The relationship

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2012-02-12 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-02-12 19:54, Ian Hickson wrote: The blockquote has been, and will be, rather pointless without markup for “credits” (indication of author and source, which are normally required by law). What's the use case, other than presentation? What’s the use case for markup for quotations in

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2012-02-12 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi schrieb am Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:19:02 +0200: […] The difference between blockquote and (for example) quotation as quotation markup is that the latter has no burden of existing use for other purposes. By analogy, a completely new table element would also

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2012-02-12 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-02-12 21:43, Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: The difference between blockquote and (for example) quotation as quotation markup is that the latter has no burden of existing use for other purposes. By analogy, a completely new table element would also be necessary. There has been quite a

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2012-02-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: 2012-02-12 19:54, Ian Hickson wrote: The blockquote has been, and will be, rather pointless without markup for “credits” (indication of author and source, which are normally required by law). What's the use case, other than

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2012-02-12 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-02-12 23:25, Ian Hickson wrote: The use case for most of the semantic markup is jsut easier authoring and maintenance, in particular for selectors in CSS. If that’s the approach, and this reflects a consensus, shouldn’t this be explained in the introductory material (which is now rather

[whatwg] Patterns of well-known quotes sites

2012-02-12 Thread Karl Dubost
I was wondering what were the patterns of quotes Web sites. Searching for quotes in DuckDuckGo and taking them one by one. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=quotes Not exhaustive, but done a few. It is… :) well see by yourself. # The Quotations page http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/34200.html

Re: [whatwg] Quirks Mode Standard

2012-02-12 Thread L. David Baron
On Friday 2012-02-10 10:37 -0500, Boris Zbarsky wrote: I agree that having the list for lengths reduces the scope of the problem somewhat. But the color quirk means that any shorthand that includes colors will run into ambiguity issues if any keywords for any subproperty only use letters in

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2012-02-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: 2012-02-12 23:25, Ian Hickson wrote: The use case for most of the semantic markup is just easier authoring and maintenance, in particular for selectors in CSS. If that’s the approach, and this reflects a consensus, shouldn’t this be explained

[whatwg] Deferring image load

2012-02-12 Thread Gray Zhang
We would like to present an authoring difficulty with regard to showing images on the Web with limited bandwidth, when deferring loading of certain or all images are preferable. We have some vague ideas about what browser/markup solutions instead of script solutions might look like, but we are

Re: [whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-02-12 Thread Simon Pieters
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:44:22 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 7 Dec 2011, Henri Sivonen wrote: I believe I was implementing exactly what the spec said at the time I implemented that behavior of Validator.nu. I'm particularly convinced that I was following the spec, because I