Re: [whatwg] Supporting feature tests of untestable features

2015-04-01 Thread Roger Hågensen
On 2015-04-01 06:57, Kyle Simpson wrote: There are features being added to the DOM/web platform, or at least under consideration, that do not have reasonable feature tests obvious/practical in their design. I consider this a problem, because all features which authors (especially those of

Re: [whatwg] Modify the Page Visibility spec to let UA's take into account whether iframes are visible on the screen

2015-04-01 Thread Roger Hågensen
On 2015-03-31 23:17, Felix Miata wrote: Roger Hågensen composed on 2015-03-31 21:09 (UTC+0200): ... For Mozilla browsers, you can go to about:config and set media.autoplay.enabled to “falseâ€�. Also, the NoScript browser extension can make media click-to-play by default. I hardly think a

Re: [whatwg] Supporting feature tests of untestable features

2015-04-01 Thread James M. Greene
We had it but browser cendors abandoned its proper behavior [for some historical reason unbeknownst to me] DOMImplementation.hasFeature (document.hasFeature): http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/core.html#ID-5CED94D7 and Node.isSupported:

Re: [whatwg] Supporting feature tests of untestable features

2015-04-01 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 4/1/15 8:27 AM, James M. Greene wrote: We had it but browser cendors abandoned its proper behavior [for some historical reason unbeknownst to me] The support signal (the hasFeature() implementation) was not in any way coupled with the actual implementation. So you would have cases in

Re: [whatwg] Supporting feature tests of untestable features

2015-04-01 Thread James M. Greene
P.S. Looking over the clipboard API, it seems like it really has the following bits: 1) The various before* events, which would be detectable if the spec added the corresponding onbefore* attributes to someplace, and 2) The copy/paste/etc events, which could likewise be detectable with on*

Re: [whatwg] Supporting feature tests of untestable features

2015-04-01 Thread James M. Greene
P.S. If you want to get involved, here is a link to the archive of the most recent email thread about feature detection for the Clipboard API: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2015JanMar/0592.html Sincerely, James Greene On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:04 AM, James M. Greene

Re: [whatwg] MetaExtension and Dublin Core revision

2015-04-01 Thread Andrea Rendine
Mr. Hickson, please let me know if further details are needed, or otherwise if change proposal will be accepted, at least partially. The more those properties remain there, the more authors can read them and use them incorrectly IMHO. Yours respectfully, Andrea 2015-03-26 18:19 GMT+01:00 Andrea

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 proposal for single-page apps without Javascript

2015-04-01 Thread Bobby Mozumder
On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Joshua Cranmer pidgeo...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/30/2015 10:02 PM, Bobby Mozumder wrote: One thing I’m interested in is to see more technical discussions around this idea. Like, very specific issues that show a design or concept flaw. It’s only been

Re: [whatwg] Modify the Page Visibility spec to let UA's take into account whether iframes are visible on the screen

2015-04-01 Thread David Young
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 03:47:26PM -0700, Seth Fowler wrote: I think we should modify the Page Visibility spec to let UA’s take actual visibility of iframes into account when deciding if an iframe is hidden. Right now, the visibility of an iframe is the same as that of the top level browsing

Re: [whatwg] Modify the Page Visibility spec to let UA's take into account whether iframes are visible on the screen

2015-04-01 Thread Seth Fowler
On Apr 1, 2015, at 10:35 PM, David Young dyo...@pobox.com wrote: I cannot take for granted the good will of the web developer, and even developers with good intentions may make a mistake or cut corners. Trust me, you’re preaching to the choir on that! It seems to me that the UA should