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Ian Hickson wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Just a few issues regarding the use of abbr and dfn elements.
*The abbr Element's title Attribute*
I think the title attribute should also be allowed to be omitted from
the abbr element if there is another abbr element with a title
this.
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done, but if /br
is encountered it turns the preceding br... (but not br.../) on the
same nesting level from an empty into a start tag.
That's not possible. /br already has magic processing, at least in
quirks mode. It's treated the same as br.
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Hi,
As discussed in IRC today, the spec should include an example of
marking up pullquotes using aside and blockquote.
article
pblah blah blah...
aside
blockquote
pullquote...
/blockquote
/aside
pblah blah blah...
/article
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CAPTCHA images, you should probably also reference the W3C note about
them [2].
[1] http://html.cita.uiuc.edu/text/
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest/
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/current-work/#serialising
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where the author can't (or doesn't know how to) configure the
Content-Type header properly. It depends entirely on the use case and
environment for which the serialiser is designed and configured.
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not
generated automatically - and escape markup examples properly, such as
lt;rubygt; instead of ruby. Using the preview feature is often
helpful to avoid mistakes like that.)
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it, although I think that such
links are completely redundant anyway.
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Martin Atkins wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
http://www.haymespaint.com.au/haymes/colourcentre/
http://www.ficml.org/jemimap/style/color/wheel.html
http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/
These are some rather contrived examples.
How can you possibly call them contrived, when they are real
.
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Ian Hickson wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Keryx Web wrote:
- A table within a table cell (Has this ever been used for anything but
layout?)
There are valid uses of that, though they are rare.
Really? What are they?
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in functionality to the local cache feature
in Google Gears. It would probably be worth investigating it and
standardising something like it in HTML5.
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Ian Hickson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Characters in the range from #x01 to #x19 (except for whitespace
characters) are not treated interoperably across platforms...
The use of characters in either of these ranges should be an easy parse
error.
I've made the first set
.
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a warning, but they
are free to do if they wish.
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Smylers wrote:
Lachlan Hunt writes:
You're assuming there is actually a valid use case for the popup in
the first place.
But as you've already pointed out, browsers can offer users who never
want to have links automatically open anywhere than the current window,
so webpages' hints
a use case for _top or _parent, not _blank.
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to think about usability.
On Apr 27, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Why is _blank still considered a conforming value? On IRC, Hixie
mentioned that there are some legitimate use cases, but didn't
list any. I've argued against popups many times
appear to treat it as
such, so maybe it's not needed.
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#valid8
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to submit, while retaining compat with IE.
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browsers?
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post your message to both public-html
and whatwg, just pick one or the other.
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full screen by double clicking the
video or selecting from the context menu.
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at least Firefox (Win) and Opera (Win and Mac).
And last time I used a mobile device, it took the entire screen real
estate by default.
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an unnecessary API for browsers to
support. It adds nothing that can't be done with play()/pause() and an
if statement.
if (video.state == HTMLVideoElement.PAUSED) {
video.play();
} else {
video.pause();
}
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namespace without
breaking backwards compatibility, so we're stuck with it.
[1] http://www.w3.org/ns/xbl
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Daniel Glazman wrote:
On 21/03/2007 04:10, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
... But we can't change the XHTML namespace without breaking backwards
compatibility, so we're stuck with it.
Again, never said the contrary. Being stuck with the xhtml namespace for
html 5 does not mean you cannot imagine
, not streaming audio. Perhaps that is a use case for a
more fully featured audio element that does that, while keeping
Audio() for simple sound effects.
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it a mistake that HTML4 allows
object to be used almost anywhere, but img only inline.
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are allowed, and I don't think HTML5 should restrict that.
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characters
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copying what typical
word processing software has done in the past.
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.html
I somewhat like the idea of the |by| attribute being a human readable
name; although, perhaps we would need the cite attribute as well to link
to a page about the reviewer.
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browser vendors will not be implementing XHTML
2.0, particularly if it reuses the XHTML 1.x namespace and retains all
of its backwards-incompatible changes, and features that are difficult
or impossible to implement.
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, is simply the
mechanism used to identify the item, not the semantic purpose of the
element itself.
[1] http://www.answers.com/mark#Technology
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David Latapie wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:36:25 +1100, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
m marks a point of interest for future reference, it does not
denote importance. Everyone seems to be focussing on the definition
of highlight meaning emphasis as their argument that it is the same
as em
Leons, you forgot to CC the list.
Leons Petrazickis wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
m is for highlighting text that is of some interest to the reader, but
it does not alter the meaning of the text itself.
Would you say that em is semantic and m is presentational, with
the difference from span
/current-work/#the-em
Strong provides a strong emphasis, no?
Strong denotes importance (see the spec). This is a change from HTML4,
but HTML4 didn't really define the difference between emphasis and
strong emphasis anyway.
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does change the meaning of the text.
m is for highlighting text that is of some interest to the reader, but
it does not alter the meaning of the text itself.
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-style.
[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-values/#keywords
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.
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, and not beneficial in any way.
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#objectid:onmousedown
#objectid:onmouseover
#objectid:onmouseout
#objectid:onkeypress
Why? Are you going to try and attach event listeners using CSS? I
think XBL might be what you're looking for. It can do that and more.
http://www.w3.org/TR/xbl/
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huge it can't even be easily calculated.
What benefits are there and what makes them so huge?
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
http://www.w3.org/mid/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
In that email you wrote:
My point is that the whole idea of embedding
XML in HTML is nonsense and should have no
part in any
seconds to do. Does it really
seem like making that final step unnecessary, at the expense of
introducing useless junk into HTML?
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discrepancies.
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contains a pre element
pre
This is some preformatted
text inside a paragraph.
/pre
in XHTML only./p
That cannot occur in the HTML serialisation because pre must imply
/p due to backwards compatibility constraints.
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putting it
under the MIT licence as well.
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Hi,
The spec should mention the additional restriction that table
elements cannot contain child tr elements, because they imply the tbody
element in such cases.
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#restrictions
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Ian Hickson wrote:
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
The spec should mention the additional restriction that table elements
cannot contain child tr elements, because they imply the tbody element
in such cases.
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#restrictions
On Sun
Mike Schinkel wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
(IE's disastrous XML Data Islands and Custom Tags
provide sufficient evidence of that.)
Why are XML Data Islands disasterous?
http://www.w3.org/mid/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Elliotte Harold wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
HTML and XML have significantly different parsing requirements and
they absolutely must be treated as significantly different file
formats. Any attempt to treat them as the same format is an extremely
bad idea.
That's only true to the extent
XHTML and do not wish to output HTML may
choose to migrate to XHTML5.
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(HTML: lang; XHTML:
xml:lang), it seems to me that the user agent is asked to always favour
xml:lang even in an HTML context. Is this really what's intended? I
think this ought to be clarified.
http://listserver.dreamhost.com/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2005-April/003652.html
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, but is the goal for HTML5 and XHTML to slowly
converge, or is the goal for them to diverage?
This issue was explained in detail in this recent blog entry.
http://blog.whatwg.org/html-vs-xhtml
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be one
or more space characters; otherwise there may be zero or more space
characters after the final attribute.
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string processing to
do silly things like this:
xhtml = p + html + /p
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Ian Hickson wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
The spec defines special handling for rel=alternate stylesheet, but
also defines that alternate with type=application/atom+xml or
type=application/rss+xml implies the feed relationship. Does this
represent an alternate stylesheet
element, with the additional restriction that it cannot contain
any descendant noscript elements.
[1] http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-noscript
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?
It's just an alternative name for the WHATWG, which some people thought
had a better acronym, presumably because it looks like an abbreviation
of What The F...?
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] http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/11/future-of-html
[4] http://blog.whatwg.org/faq/
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Elliotte Harold wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
At the very least, ISO-8859-1 must be treated as Windows-1252. I'm
not sure about the other ISO-8859 encodings. Numeric and hex
character references from 128 to 159 must also be treated as
Windows-1252 code points.
I understand why you want to do
one. Since (a b) is equivalent to (a, b)|(b, a), aren't both of
those equivalent as well?
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-07D17E35FB56
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Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Anne van Kesteren wrote:
This allows things like ele.getElementsByClassName(ele.className) etc.
anything that accepts a DOMString will automatically accept a DOMTokenString,
including getElementsByClassName. So your example will already work.
It seems
Elliotte Harold wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
No, not without namespaces, just without the xmlns and QNames syntax.
e.g. when math is encountered in text/html, it appears in the DOM as
math xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;
That's like saying you want to have biology but without all
.
There are many HTML 4 documents that are well-formed XML documents?
Are these not legal HTML 5 documents?
No. That's like asking is a valid HTML 3.2 document a conforming HTML
4.01 document!? No, it's not!
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as Windows-1252 code points.
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in Thunderbird hadn't complained.
If you change to the en-AU or en-GB dictionary, it will complain about
the other.
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Elliotte Harold wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Why is the specific syntax so important?
The specific syntax is important because there's a huge, useful
toolchain for processing XML and there's essentially zilch for
processing this strange HTML 5 thing.
In the real world, you cannot expect
Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote:
* Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Yes, never! For one, a conforming HTML 5 (not XHTML 5) document
requires the DOCTYPE to be !DOCTYPE html and that is not well-formed XML.
Yes it is.
Oh, sorry. You're right. I thought it required a PUBLIC or SYSTEM
identifier. I got
and QNames syntax.
e.g. when math is encountered in text/html, it appears in the DOM as
math xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;
We definitely don't want people thinking they can use any arbitrary
xmlns in HTML. That's what XHTML is for.
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on the next page and log in
* Disable the Mail Delivery option
2. Send your comments directly to Ian Hickson.
* whatwg at hixie.ch
3. Join the discussion on IRC.
* #whatwg on freenode.
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different from toSource()?
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference:Global_Objects:Object:toSource
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James Graham wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Abbreviation expansions should only be supplied when they help the
reader to understand the content, not just because the word happens to
be an abbreviation.
I agree, unless using abbr with no title is useful to get the correct
rendering
| attributes and not the
value of |info| attributes, thus eliminating the need for |info|.
Assuming you meant label group=, that's exactly what I intended in
my examples.
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Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
Joe Clark wrote:
http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/
FYI, my response to that his here.
http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/10/fixing-html
Joe Clark has responed.
http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/10/fixing-html#comment-713
His comment is copied here
successful plugins. Many others that
have failed.
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could render them as footnotes at the bottom of each page.
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for confusion about
whether it takes a name or id in this context.
Also, label already supported, so there's fewer backwards
compatibility issues.
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. However, he's keeping it top secret. There's virtually no
information about it and no way to participate or even keep track of the
work without an invitation.
http://alistapart.com/articles/tohellwithwcag2/#WCAG-documents:WCAGSamurai
http://wcagsamurai.org/
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Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/10/fixing-html
That link doesn't work. (I get a 404.)
Fixed, thanks. There seems to ge a bug WordPress that causes posts to
get marked as private for some unknown reason.
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, instead of
MPEG and Quick Time. Aside from the companies who have a stake in
proprietary formats, I'm sure they would like to because they could save
money on licensing fees.
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Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
On 10/30/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Places like YouTube and Google Video work around this by
building their own interface using Flash, which handles multiple formats
seamlessly for the user.
Not exactly. Flash players only play FLV video files
of existing web sites.
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of the suggestions
are already included or have at least been discussed, but some a new and
worth looking into.
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* rowspan
* colspan
COL and COLGROUP
* span
[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/tables.html#q7
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Anne van Kesteren wrote:
foo
bar/
bar/
/foo
How can foo.innerHTML be well-formed here?
It could be if it were treated as an external parsed entity.
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#NT-extParsedEnt
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text on canvas. This technique has certainly got
many limitations and could never be made as good as a native
implementation, but it works Firefox, Opera and Safari.
http://lachy.id.au/dev/2006/10/canvas-text
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Ian Hickson wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
dolphinling wrote:
http://www.w3.org/TR/web-forms-2/#the-autocomplete
| The autocomplete attribute applies to the text, password date-related,
| time-related, numeric, email, and url controls.
There needs to be a comma after
the same namespace. If we don't resolve the incompatibilities,
one of the specs will simply be doomed to failure.
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Francisco Monteiro wrote:
What does tags have to do with the DOM?
We're talking about the DOM that IE produces when given specific markup.
It has everything to do with the DOM!
Exactly, is this thread becoming a Opera marketing ploy?
What the...?
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was implicitly declaring the
namespace of all Custom Tags in my tests.
[1] http://lachy.id.au/dev/2006/09/custom-tags
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Andrew Fedoniouk wrote:
someListElement.select( li:not(li li), foo);
That selector won't work anyway, because (according to the Selectors
spec) :not() can only contain a single simple selector.
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.
That way, we could use this:
ul
li edit=insertedSome list item/li
li edit=deletedAnother list item/li
li edit=changedModified list item/li
li edit=movedMoved list item/li
/ul
[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-edit.html
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it be useful to have it saved in HTML?
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somewhat backwards compatible with current browsers.
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