Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

L PROTECTED]>; "Paul Prescod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ian Hickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WHAT-WG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language Le 29 août 2008 à 23:04

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

On Sep 1, 2008, at 06:20, Karl Dubost wrote: Le 29 août 2008 à 23:04, Henri Sivonen a écrit : Also, having more metadata leads to UI clutter and data entry fatigue that alienates users. In the past, I worked on a content repository project that failed because (among other things) the conte

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Le 29 août 2008 à 23:04, Henri Sivonen a écrit : Also, having more metadata leads to UI clutter and data entry fatigue that alienates users. In the past, I worked on a content repository project that failed because (among other things) the content upload UI asked for an insane amount (a cou

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Henri Sivonen wrote: > I don't know what the right way to find the useful bits is, but just > telling people out there to publish metadata and expecting use cases to > emerge later isn't a good way, since that approach wastes a lot of > people's effort. In this email you claim there are no use cas

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

On Aug 28, 2008, at 15:31, Paul Prescod wrote: I don't really understand why there is any debate about the utility of metadata in general. Are you also against microformats? Title elements? The meta element? It seems obvious to me that a) metadata has been a huge success on the web (the success

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Ian Hickson wrote: >> Did you listen to the video? It clearly states that they wrote a >> specific hack for Craigslist, but that they expect this to work more >> generically. > > Sure, I'm just debating "needs". It is possible to do it without > structured data, indeed the flagship example here

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

e: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language HTML has no standard mechanism for embedding contacts. hCard is a sort of de facto mechanism. Given how long it takes Web standards to work their way through the ecosystem, I think it's doing okay. Google supports it on some key sites. Yahoo

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:28 AM, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... > >> Site-specific hacks don't scale to the Web. A solution that scales will >> require a single parser, not site-specific parsers (though site-specific >> parsers will likely be a transition path.) > > To scale to the who

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Ben Adida wrote: >> >> Consider specifically the Craigslist example, where the user selects a >> few of the apartments and says "map these." >> >> Clearly, and as the voice-over states, the site needs emb

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Ben Adida wrote: > Ian Hickson wrote: > >> Clearly, and as the voice-over states, the site needs embedded > >> metadata that easily connects "what the user is pointing to" to the > >> structured data required for mapping. > > > > Since Craigslist doesn't have structured data

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Ian Hickson wrote: >> Clearly, and as the voice-over states, the site needs embedded metadata >> that easily connects "what the user is pointing to" to the structured >> data required for mapping. > > Since Craigslist doesn't have structured data now, that seems like a > verifiably false claim.

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Ben Adida wrote: > > Consider specifically the Craigslist example, where the user selects a > few of the apartments and says "map these." > > Clearly, and as the voice-over states, the site needs embedded metadata > that easily connects "what the user is pointing to" to the

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Julian Reschke wrote: > Ian Hickson wrote: > > ... > > > So, just to be clear, how does that link up with SQL-in-browser? When you > > > say "people," do you mean web publishers / application builders? > > > > Users. One of the problems, for instance, was that they could not a

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Ian Hickson wrote: ... So, just to be clear, how does that link up with SQL-in-browser? When you say "people," do you mean web publishers / application builders? Users. One of the problems, for instance, was that they could not access their GMail while offline. ... So, out of curiosity, wh

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Ben Adida wrote: > Ian Hickson wrote: > > The Database stuff was mostly driven by requests from large Web > > application authors (including, for example, GMail), who wanted to be > > able to offer their services even while their users were offline. > > However, it's pretty

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Ian, Thanks for the details. Some questions below. Ian Hickson wrote: > The Database stuff was mostly driven by requests from large Web > application authors (including, for example, GMail), who wanted to be able > to offer their services even while their users were offline. I am quite favor

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Ian Hickson wrote: > On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Ben Adida wrote: >> cc:attributionName, cc:attributionURL, dc:title, dc:type, dc:date, > > Notice how these are so unique already that you didn't have to give their > full names, these short names were enough for everyone to know what you > were tal

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

[I've been asked to bring this back to the WHATWG list, so I'm doing so now. For folks who want to look at the beginning of this thread on www-archive, it begins here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2008Aug/0024.html ] Kristof Zelechovski wrote: > Forcing metadata into content

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Henri Sivonen Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:51 AM To: Ben Adida Cc: Tab Atkins Jr.; WHAT-WG; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dan Brickley; Bonner, Matt; Ian Hickson Subject: Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language Here's what bothers me about namespaces: 1) I

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Le 22 août 2008 à 16:50, Henri Sivonen a écrit : At least in the case of New York, the settlers had the good sense to choose a short disambiguating prefix instead of thinking they were off in a different default namespace like Texas and free to reuse local names causing problems with global

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Bonner, Matt wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Bonner, Matt wrote: Hola, I see that the Creative Commons has proposed additions to HTML to support licenses (ccREL): http://www.w3.org/Submission/2008/SUBM-ccREL-20080501/ ... Tab Atkins Jr. replied: The whole thing would

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

On Aug 21, 2008, at 21:53, Ben Adida wrote: Not to mention that our design approach was specifically tailored to be HTML5-friendly. It really isn't HTML5-friendly, since it depends on the namespace mapping context at a node. Henri Sivonen writes: and those additions use a Namespace-depe

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Bonner, Matt wrote: >> >> Hola, >> >> I see that the Creative Commons has proposed additions to HTML >> to support licenses (ccREL): >> http://www.w3.org/Submission/2008/SUBM-ccREL-20080501/ >> ... >> Tab Atkins Jr. replied: >> The whole thing

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: > With links directly in the video, copies of the videos will continue > to contain the license, so there is a reason for putting metadata such > as the license inside the video. Ah yes, in this case I agree: if the metadata were machine-readable, that would be great. I was

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Just a little side-track for the video issues around this thread: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Ben Adida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Also note that even CC leadership omits the license URI. > > So you want a URI in the video content itself? What good would that do? With links directly in th

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Kristof Zelechovski wrote: > If I understand it correctly, we do not have a problem with the colon as a > namespace separator. Our problem is that "a:x" sometimes means the same as > "b:x" and there is no reasonable way to make legacy browsers support this. But... legacy browsers have no way to d

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Hi folks, Dan, thanks for looping me in on this thread. This is a rather long email, but I'm trying to address all comments so far at once. I appreciate all of the comments. I encourage folks who are commenting on these issues to read (or at least skim) the ccREL document: http://www.w3.org/S

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

7;Bonner, Matt'; 'WHAT-WG'; 'Ian Hickson'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language Kristof Zelechovski wrote: > If I understand it correctly, we do not have a problem with the colon as a > namespace separator. Our probl

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

e same thing even if one is an alias for another. Chris -Original Message- From: Ben Adida [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 8:53 PM To: Dan Brickley Cc: Tab Atkins Jr.; Bonner, Matt; WHAT-WG; Ian Hickson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [whatwg] Cre

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Can't you just embed your XML metadata in a SCRIPT element? Chris

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

On Aug 21, 2008, at 10:49, Dan Brickley wrote: I encourage you to (re)-read http://www.w3.org/Submission/2008/SUBM-ccREL-20080501/ ... the spec explains that all of CC's concrete markup requirements are addressed by the HTML additions in the RDFa spec. The RDFa spec doesn't make any additio

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008, Dan Brickley wrote: > > The Microformats.org community have done wonderful work and have > inspired many others, but it is unfair on them (and unrealistic) to > pressure their community, mailing lists and wiki by expecting their > process to be a central bottleneck for all

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

+cc: Ben Adida Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Bonner, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Hola, I see that the Creative Commons has proposed additions to HTML to support licenses (ccREL): http://www.w3.org/Submission/2008/SUBM-ccR

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Ian Hickson wrote: > On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: >>> >>> Unless I missed something in the HTML5 spec, at the least this would >>> add the "property" attribute to . Wouldn't ccREL be expressed >>> better using instead of ? >> >> The whole thing would be best expressed as a microfo

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

Le 21 août 2008 à 07:22, Bonner, Matt a écrit : I see that the Creative Commons has proposed additions to HTML to support licenses (ccREL): http://www.w3.org/Submission/2008/SUBM-ccREL-20080501/ And as a practical implementation of it. Click at the logo at the bottom, and it returns the lic

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: > > > > Unless I missed something in the HTML5 spec, at the least this would > > add the "property" attribute to . Wouldn't ccREL be expressed > > better using instead of ? > > The whole thing would be best expressed as a microformat, as the entire >

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Bonner, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hola, > > I see that the Creative Commons has proposed additions to HTML > to support licenses (ccREL): > http://www.w3.org/Submission/2008/SUBM-ccREL-20080501/ > > As an example, they offer: > > http://lessig.org/blog/"; >

[whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

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