On 16 May 2012 19:47, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Matthew Wilcox m...@matthewwilcox.com
wrote:
Also, srcset does not abstract the control points away from the image
itself. I have already been over why this is a problem and
future-unfriendly.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Matthew Wilcox m...@matthewwilcox.com wrote:
On 16 May 2012 19:47, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Matthew Wilcox m...@matthewwilcox.com
wrote:
Also, srcset does not abstract the control points away from the image
Maybe this is the better question:
Why does the pre-loader matter so much?
Basing the selected image off of browser width is inherently
backwards. The content should be informed by the layout, not by the
browser.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On
On 16 May 2012 20:04, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Matthew Wilcox m...@matthewwilcox.com
wrote:
On 16 May 2012 19:47, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Matthew Wilcox m...@matthewwilcox.com
wrote:
On 16 May 2012 20:12, Jacob Mather jmat...@itsmajax.com wrote:
Maybe this is the better question:
Why does the pre-loader matter so much?
Basing the selected image off of browser width is inherently
backwards. The content should be informed by the layout, not by the
browser.
I do agree
@Tab - yes I do remember, sorry. I'm being a bloody idiot.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jacob Mather jmat...@itsmajax.com wrote:
Maybe this is the better question:
Why does the pre-loader matter so much?
Because it lets pages load faster.
Basing the selected image off of browser width is inherently
backwards. The content should be informed by
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jacob Mather jmat...@itsmajax.com wrote:
Maybe this is the better question:
Why does the pre-loader matter so much?
Because it lets pages load faster.
Sure, but s that enough to
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Jacob Mather jmat...@itsmajax.com wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jacob Mather jmat...@itsmajax.com wrote:
Maybe this is the better question:
Why does the pre-loader matter
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Jacob Mather jmat...@itsmajax.com wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jacob Mather jmat...@itsmajax.com
On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:12:19 +0100, Jacob Mather jmat...@itsmajax.com
wrote:
Maybe this is the better question:
Why does the pre-loader matter so much?
Basing the selected image off of browser width is inherently
backwards. The content should be informed by the layout, not by the
browser.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Kornel Lesiński kor...@geekhood.net wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:12:19 +0100, Jacob Mather jmat...@itsmajax.com
wrote:
Maybe this is the better question:
Why does the pre-loader matter so much?
Basing the selected image off of browser width is inherently
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Matthew Wilcox m...@matthewwilcox.com wrote:
Chalk me up as another making that mistake. Properties on elements
usually describe a property of the element. Not a property of
something else (like the viewport).
If it does indeed rely on a rendering issue (like
On May 16, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Matthew Wilcox m...@matthewwilcox.com
wrote:
Chalk me up as another making that mistake. Properties on elements
usually describe a property of the element. Not a property of
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
On 24 January 2012 23:26, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011, Anselm Hannemann - Novolo Designagentur wrote:
As we now have the possibility of creating fluid and responsive
layouts in several ways we have a problem with
Please, have you taken a look at the latest idea?
http://www.w3.org/community/respimg/2012/05/13/an-alternative-proposition-to-and-srcset-with-wider-scope/
It solves many issues:
1) works with pre-fetch
2) is not verbose
3) is backward compatible with current browsers
4) is aimed for
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Matthew Wilcox m...@matthewwilcox.com wrote:
Please, have you taken a look at the latest idea?
http://www.w3.org/community/respimg/2012/05/13/an-alternative-proposition-to-and-srcset-with-wider-scope/
It was quoted and replied to in the email you just replied
Constraints on where assets are placed and named? I do not follow your
reasoning here: You put them in the folder that's used for that design
breakpoint:
/anything/{whatever}/this/can/be/anything.jpg
I've seen no objections about that aspect in the Community Group
thread, where a number of
I do not see much potential for srcset. The result of asking the
author community was overwhelmingly negative, indirection or no
indirection.
To be clear, I don't see how indirection of this level can be an
issue, under those terms anything you write in CSS to effect a HTML
element is already
That's one of the major advantages of Adaptive Images (the PHP/JS
solution) and what people most like about it when they give me
feedback - it's all automatic with no custom HTML and it does all
image generation itself.
Yes, the vast majority of people who are going to put images into
websites
On May 15, 2012, at 12:28 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
* Example 2: On the Nokia Browser site where it describes the Meego
browser, the Nokia Lumia is show horizontally on wide screens. As the
screen narrows, the Nokia Lumia is then shown vertically and cropped.
Bryan and Stephanie Rieger, the
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Jason Grigsby ja...@cloudfour.com wrote:
On May 15, 2012, at 12:28 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
* Example 2: On the Nokia Browser site where it describes the Meego
browser, the Nokia Lumia is show horizontally on wide screens. As the
screen narrows, the Nokia Lumia
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
That all said, I don't like the 2x notation. It's declaring this
image's resolution is twice that of a normal image. This has two
problems. For one, we already have a unit that
On May 15, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Jason Grigsby ja...@cloudfour.com wrote:
On May 15, 2012, at 12:28 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
* Example 2: On the Nokia Browser site where it describes the Meego
browser, the Nokia Lumia is show horizontally on
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Jason Grigsby ja...@cloudfour.com wrote:
Are you saying that all of the image source listed in srcset would have the
same aspect ratio? In the example Hixie provided, face-icon.png is a
different ratio.
Another way to read this could be that you’re fine so
On May 15, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Jason Grigsby ja...@cloudfour.com wrote:
Are you saying that all of the image source listed in srcset would have the
same aspect ratio? In the example Hixie provided, face-icon.png is a
different ratio.
Um, the fact of the matter is we don't want to ensure they have the
same ratio. It is exactly why we want to swap images sometimes - the
aspect ratio no longer fits the design being applied at the given
breakpoint.
On 15 May 2012 18:48, Jason Grigsby ja...@cloudfour.com wrote:
On May 15, 2012,
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:28 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
Now I'm not sure what to do about the bandwidth one. It's very hard for a
user agent to estimate its bandwidth availability -- it depends on the
server, and the network location of the server, almost as much as on the
location
I think there's a fundamental mis-match in the mental model of how
authors work and what they want. I'm pretty sure we're all shooting
for the same be more efficient goal, but I think that here on the
mailing list that's being approached from an angle that has not
considered how authors actually
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Matthew Wilcox m...@matthewwilcox.com wrote:
Um, the fact of the matter is we don't want to ensure they have the
same ratio. It is exactly why we want to swap images sometimes - the
aspect ratio no longer fits the design being applied at the given
breakpoint.
On May 15, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
3.125x isn't particularly difficult to specify.
I actually didn't even realize that 300dpi is 3.125 times
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.comwrote:
For two, I'm not sure that it's particularly obvious that when you say
2x, you should make sure your image was saved as 196dpi. You have
to already know what the default resolution is.
You don't have to. The
On Tue, 15 May 2012 19:25:23 +0100, Matthew Wilcox
m...@matthewwilcox.com wrote:
I think there's a fundamental mis-match in the mental model of how
authors work and what they want. I'm pretty sure we're all shooting
for the same be more efficient goal, but I think that here on the
mailing
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Kornel Lesiński kor...@geekhood.net wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 19:25:23 +0100, Matthew Wilcox m...@matthewwilcox.com
wrote:
I think there's a fundamental mis-match in the mental model of how
authors work and what they want. I'm pretty sure we're all shooting
On May 15, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
I suspect this is simply confusion about the proposal - @srcset
handles the art-directed case same as picture, just with a
somewhat more compact microsyntax rather than using MQs directly. (On
the plus side, the slightly-special processing
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Jason Grigsby ja...@cloudfour.com wrote:
On May 15, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
I suspect this is simply confusion about the proposal - @srcset
handles the art-directed case same as picture, just with a
somewhat more compact microsyntax rather
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