Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-07-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, Geoff Pack wrote: Why does the HTML5 spec say The div element represents nothing at all? [http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-div] Div clearly stands for 'division', as was specified in the HTML 3.2 spec: DIV elements can be used to structure HTML

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-05-17 Thread Julian Reschke
liorean wrote: ... Sections allow some things that are impossible with the outline hierarchy of HTML4. In HTML4, once you had a header you needed a header of the same level or higher to make a paragraph not belong to that header. With sections you can make paragraphs belong to headers above the

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-05-17 Thread Křištof Želechovski
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julian Reschke Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:17 AM To: liorean Cc: WHAT Working Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [whatwg] The div element liorean wrote: ... Sections allow some things that are impossible with the outline

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-03-03 Thread Krzysztof Żelechowski
Dnia 01-03-2008, So o godzinie 19:37 -0800, Nicholas C. Zakas pisze: Reading your description makes me think that you're more displeased with the hn/ elements than you are happy with the section/ element. I've never had issues promoting headers or moving content around, and I'm not clear

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-03-01 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Nicholas C. Zakas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From this description, it seems like the section/ element has little use. If you're talking about writing articles, most authors consider the start and end of sections as implicitly defined by headings. Making this

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-03-01 Thread Nicholas C. Zakas
using different hn/ elements seem more confusing to me than just using the hn/ elements. -Nicholas - Original Message From: Tab Atkins Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: whatwg List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 11:33:18 AM Subject: Re: [whatwg] The div element On Fri, Feb 29

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-02-29 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Nicholas Zakas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it's as clear as you make it out to be. A section and a division. I hate to consult a dictionary on this, but one definition for section is subdivision. The naming alone does not make it clear what the

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-02-29 Thread Dave Hodder
Tab Atkins Jr. wrote (with snippage): In HTML5, the hx hierarchy is explicitly ignored. Instead, they're all treated the same. The actual heading level is determined by section nesting. That doesn't sound correct to me. If they were all the same we could drop h1 to h6 and just use h.

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-02-29 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Dave Hodder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tab Atkins Jr. wrote (with snippage): In HTML5, the hx hierarchy is explicitly ignored. Instead, they're all treated the same. The actual heading level is determined by section nesting. That doesn't sound correct

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-02-29 Thread Nicholas C. Zakas
. It's just extra syntax to represent something that is more easily represented without it. -Nicholas - Original Message From: Tab Atkins Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: whatwg List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:24:49 AM Subject: Re: [whatwg] The div element On Fri, Feb

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-02-29 Thread liorean
Sorry for the double for those of you on both lists. I sent a reply to the wrong mailing list again :( On 01/03/2008, Nicholas C. Zakas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From this description, it seems like the section/ element has little use. If you're talking about writing articles, most authors

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-02-28 Thread Dave Hodder
Geoff Pack wrote: Why does the HTML5 spec say The div element represents nothing at all ? [http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-div] snip Personally I'd describe it more along the lines of: The div element is a generic way of representing document structure, but offers no

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-02-28 Thread html
I'm still not clear to me how section/ is anything more than a div/. HTML4 said: The DIV and SPAN elements, in conjunction with the id and class attributes, offer a generic mechanism for adding structure to documents (http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-DIV). Isn't that the

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-02-28 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still not clear to me how section/ is anything more than a div/. HTML4 said: The DIV and SPAN elements, in conjunction with the id and class attributes, offer a generic mechanism for adding structure to documents (

[whatwg] The div element

2008-02-27 Thread Geoff Pack
Why does the HTML5 spec say The div element represents nothing at all ? [http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-div] Div clearly stands for 'division', as was specified in the HTML 3.2 spec: DIV elements can be used to structure HTML documents as a hierarchy of divisions.

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-02-27 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why does the HTML5 spec say The div element represents nothing at all ? [http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-div] Div clearly stands for 'division', as was specified in the HTML 3.2 spec: DIV elements