On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:57 PM, timeless timel...@gmail.com wrote:
FWIW, iirc multiple processes from IE dates to at least IE4
The best url I can find on the subject atm is
http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/bit092098.html.
Michael Nordman micha...@google.com wrote:
There are
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 06:11:51 +0200, Chris Double
chris.dou...@double.co.nz wrote:
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:40 AM, Eric Carlson eric.carl...@apple.com
wrote:
Media time values are expressed in normal play time (NPT), the
absolute
position relative to the beginning of the presentation.
Going forward maybe we should add this to the keytype= attribute,
though, making it a space separated list instead of an enumerated
attribute. For the parameters, maybe we can use different attributes for
the different types? e.g. dsaparams= ecparams= etc? Netscape 4 used to
have pqg= for DSA
2009/4/7 Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 06:11:51 +0200, Chris Double chris.dou...@double.co.nz
wrote:
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:40 AM, Eric Carlson eric.carl...@apple.com
wrote:
Media time values are expressed in normal play time (NPT), the absolute
position
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, James Ide wrote:
Going one step further, if the keygen element does support multiple
algorithms, would it be worthwhile to allow it to contain parameters,
e.g. param name=dsa value=some-value? On one hand, the set of
widely-implemented algorithms seems small and fixing
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 06:11:51 +0200, Chris Double chris.dou...@double.co.nz
wrote:
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:40 AM, Eric Carlson eric.carl...@apple.com
wrote:
Media time values are expressed in normal play time (NPT),
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:34:44 +0200, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, James Ide wrote:
Going one step further, if the keygen element does support multiple
algorithms, would it be worthwhile to allow it to contain parameters,
e.g. param name=dsa value=some-value? On one hand,
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:26:15 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 06:11:51 +0200, Chris Double
chris.dou...@double.co.nz
wrote:
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:40 AM, Eric Carlson
Hello,
my name is Diego Eis. I'm from Brazil. Sorry for my bad english, ok? :D
I have a website about web standards in pt-br called Tableless.com.br.
And I have a little question.
I have read some HTML5 articles and the specifications in WHATWG
website. I read, for example, the element 'h3' or
The header element is not for the page header, it is for grouping section
headings, and the tag name chosen for this element is misleading.
HTH,
Chris
The header element is not for the page header, it is for grouping section
headings, and the tag name chosen for this element is misleading.
This is a group of headings?
header
h1title/h1
h2title2/h2
h3title3/h3
/header
If yes, my question is: when I will use this?
Like I say: all pages have a
A group of headings looks as follows:
header
h1 Romeo and Juliet/h1
h3 a tragedy in Italian style/h3 /header
This is meant to replace the clumsy HTML4 way:
H1 Romeo and Juliet BR SMALL a tragedy in Italian style/SMALL /H1
HTH,
Chris
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
For example, take a video that is a subpart of a larger video and has
been delivered through a media fragment URI
(http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/).
When a user watches both,
On Apr 6, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Chris Double wrote:
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:40 AM, Eric Carlson
eric.carl...@apple.com wrote:
Media time values are expressed in normal play time (NPT), the
absolute
position relative to the beginning of the presentation.
I don't see mention of this in the
This is not correct in HTML4?
h1Romeo and Juliet/h1
h3a tragedy in Italian style/h3
I don't know why I mark the headers above with header.
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kristof Zelechovski
giecr...@stegny.2a.pl wrote:
A group of headings looks as follows:
header
h1 Romeo and Juliet/h1
h3
Diego Eis wrote:
This is not correct in HTML4?
h1Romeo and Juliet/h1
h3a tragedy in Italian style/h3
If you fed that markup into a tool that produced the outline of the
document (e.g. for a screen reader, a toc generator or an ordinary
browser navigation aid), it would look something like
I think that there is a very real difference between the
zero-to-duration 'seek bar' that the UI presents, and which users
understand, from the 'represented time' of the content. That might
be a section of a movie, or indeed might be a section of real
time-of-day (think of one of the millions
OTOH, if the media player scroll bar has zoom function, the problem of
navigation deficiency in a short interval disappears. When the browser
displays a fragment, it can just zoom the scroll bar to the fragment
displayed.
IMHO,
Chris
At 19:20 +0200 7/04/09, KÞitof Îelechovski wrote:
OTOH, if the media player scroll bar has zoom function, the problem of
navigation deficiency in a short interval disappears. When the browser
displays a fragment, it can just zoom the scroll bar to the fragment
displayed.
IMHO,
Chris
That's
2009/4/8 Křištof Želechovski giecr...@stegny.2a.pl:
OTOH, if the media player scroll bar has zoom function, the problem of
navigation deficiency in a short interval disappears. When the browser
displays a fragment, it can just zoom the scroll bar to the fragment
displayed.
When the video
Re: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20090407#l-675:
# # [18:31] * jgraham thought that GRDDL was basically a way of using an XSLT
stylesheet to transform some HTML into some RDF
# # [18:31] gsnedders Yeah, basically
# # [18:32] jgraham And that the author had to put the link to the sty
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Ralph Giles gi...@xiph.org wrote:
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
For example, take a video that is a subpart of a larger video and has
been delivered through a media fragment URI
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:30 AM, David Singer sin...@apple.com wrote:
At 19:20 +0200 7/04/09, KÞi”tof Îelechovski wrote:
OTOH, if the media player scroll bar has zoom function, the problem of
navigation deficiency in a short interval disappears. When the browser
displays a fragment, it can
At 8:02 +1000 8/04/09, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
Note that in the Media Fragment working group even the specification
of http://www.example.com/t.mov#time=10s-20s; may mean that only the
requested 10s clip is delivered, especially if all the involved
instances in the exchange understand media
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:21 AM, David Singer sin...@apple.com wrote:
At 8:02 +1000 8/04/09, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
Note that in the Media Fragment working group even the specification
of http://www.example.com/t.mov#time=10s-20s; may mean that only the
requested 10s clip is delivered,
At 8:29 +1000 8/04/09, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
My mental analogy was HTML, where an acnhor takes you to that part of the
page as a convenience, but nothing stops you from navigating away. And in
the case where the UA optimizes for showing that section (by suitable
handshakes/translations
On 8/4/09 00:29, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
The media fragment WG decided that fragment addressing should be done
with # and be able to just deliver the actual fragment.
Interesting! Do you have a reference for this? I can't understand how
this is possible if these are URI references, unless
2009/4/8 Dan Brickley dan...@danbri.org:
On 8/4/09 00:29, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
The media fragment WG decided that fragment addressing should be done
with # and be able to just deliver the actual fragment.
Interesting! Do you have a reference for this? I can't understand how this
is
A commonly added feature in browsers these days is private browsing
mode where the intention is that the user's browsing session leaves
no footprint on their machine. Cookies, cache files, history, and
other data that the browser would normally store to disk are not
updated during these
In Chrome/Chromium, incognito mode is basically a new profile that is in
memory (plus or minus... the cache will never get written out to disk,
although of course the memory pages could get swapped out and hit the disk
that way...). The implication is that, for many of these features, things
could
Why would it be more flexible to use another element? Surely attributes
are just as flexible.
Attributes are flexible if they are named generically (e.g. just
params=). But as soon as they are named dsaparams= or ecparams=,
UAs are somewhat precluded from adding some new algorithm XYZ because
Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
Note that in the Media Fragment working group even the specification
of http://www.example.com/t.mov#time=10s-20s; may mean that only the
requested 10s clip is delivered
Since the part starting with '#' isn't sent as part of the HTTP GET
request, I'm not sure how this
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Brady Eidson beid...@apple.com wrote:
1 - Disable LocalStorage completely when private browsing is on. Remove it
from the DOM completely.
2 - Disable LocalStorage mostly when private browsing is on. It exists at
window.localStorage, but is empty and has a
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Aryeh Gregor
simetrical+...@gmail.comsimetrical%2b...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Brady Eidson beid...@apple.com wrote:
1 - Disable LocalStorage completely when private browsing is on. Remove
it
from the DOM completely.
2 - Disable
That's interesting. I'm not exactly clear what an incognito session
starts out with. Does it start without any cookies, for example?
~Brady
On Apr 7, 2009, at 5:39 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote:
In Chrome/Chromium, incognito mode is basically a new profile that
is in memory (plus or
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Brady Eidson beid...@apple.com wrote:
A commonly added feature in browsers these days is private browsing mode
where the intention is that the user's browsing session leaves no footprint
on their machine. Cookies, cache files, history, and other data that the
Yes. An incognito session starts with a blank profile, so no cookies, no
cache, ...
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Brady Eidson beid...@apple.com wrote:
That's interesting. I'm not exactly clear what an incognito session
starts out with. Does it start without any cookies, for example?
2009/4/7 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com:
In Chrome/Chromium, incognito mode is basically a new profile that is in
memory (plus or minus... the cache will never get written out to disk,
although of course the memory pages could get swapped out and hit the disk
that way...). The
2009/4/7 Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc
2009/4/7 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com:
In Chrome/Chromium, incognito mode is basically a new profile that is
in
memory (plus or minus... the cache will never get written out to disk,
although of course the memory pages could get swapped
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Brady Eidson beid...@apple.com wrote:
On Apr 7, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
How are cookies handled right now? Surely the issues should be pretty
much the same?
They are unspecified. From this thread I have learned that Chrome and
Firefox
On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote:
2009/4/7 Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc
I do agree that there's still need for storing data while in private
browsing mode. So I do think it makes a lot of sense for
.sessionStorage to keep working.
But I do have concerned about
FWIW, I think it would be helpful to expose via some manner that the user is
in an incognito/private/whatever mode, especially to plugins. (Right now
none of us can really control what plugins are doing). If we exposed that
fact, a page could check it and decide what it wants to do. To me, that
On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote:
I strongly share Jonas' concern that we'd tell web applications that
we're storing there data when we already know we're going to dump it
later. For 3 and 4 both, we're basically lying to the application
and therefore the user.
I think a user agent has to harmonize across all manner of shared
resources being introduced to ensure a reasonable behavior is
provided.
* localstorage (and the breadth of the associated events)
* databases
* appcaches
* named shared workers
Starting with nothing, keeping it all walled-off from
And as of right now, afaict, a user / user agent can prune a database and
not be in violation of the database spec :)
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Brady Eidson beid...@apple.com wrote:
On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote:
I strongly share Jonas' concern that we'd tell
A user can, at any time, delete application resources from their file
system while the application is in use, or before the application's
next launch. They will suffer the consequences of their own action.
The operating system probably shouldn't chose to do so on its own, the
same way the
Yeah, but my argument is more that Incognito / Private / whatever is like
starting from a boot cdrom with a filesystem that's in memory. The OS isn't
pretending, nobody's lying to the app, that's just the way it is.
I think Michael summarized it well -
Copying it over and making it read-only
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
Note that in the Media Fragment working group even the specification
of http://www.example.com/t.mov#time=10s-20s; may mean that only the
requested 10s clip is delivered
Since the part starting with '#' isn't sent as part of
I haven't decided for sure yet, but I was leaning towards either option #2
or option #3 for Chrome. Option 5 seems like it'll be very confusing to
apps. It's possible it'll even have undesired consequences like websites
popping up alerts or telling the user you need to increase your quota and
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, James Ide wrote:
Attributes are flexible if they are named generically (e.g. just
params=). But as soon as they are named dsaparams= or ecparams=,
UAs are somewhat precluded from adding some new algorithm XYZ because of
the lack of an xyzparams= attribute.
I don't
As we add algorithms, we would presumably add the attributes if they are
needed.
This clarifies everything.
Thanks,
James
On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:19 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote:
Yeah, but my argument is more that Incognito / Private / whatever is
like starting from a boot cdrom with a filesystem that's in memory.
This is actually not necessarily a fact, as it has become clear that
the different private
On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Jeremy Orlow wrote:
Both would lead to bizarre behavior where data that the application
thought was saved really wasn't.
This matches up with how most private browsing sessions handle
cookies, right? The data persists until the session is up (because
some of
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Brady Eidson beid...@apple.com wrote:
Caches are always assumed to be temporary and recoverable, and cookies have
severe size and lifetime limitations placed on them (ie - the User Agent can
never be excepted to keep cookies around for any predictable lifetime,
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Brady Eidson beid...@apple.com wrote:
On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Jeremy Orlow wrote:
Both would lead to bizarre behavior where data that the application
thought was saved really wasn't.
This matches up with how most private browsing sessions handle
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Brady Eidson beid...@apple.com wrote:
On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:19 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote:
Yeah, but my argument is more that Incognito / Private / whatever is like
starting from a boot cdrom with a filesystem that's in memory.
This is actually not
2009/4/7 Michael Nordman micha...@google.com
I'm not sure this has to be addressed in the standard. This seems like
something browser developers can address without grand unification.
They can, but then it shifts burden onto web developers to test more or
users to deal with broken websites.
2009/4/7 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com:
2009/4/7 Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc
2009/4/7 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com:
In Chrome/Chromium, incognito mode is basically a new profile that is
in
memory (plus or minus... the cache will never get written out to disk,
2009/4/7 Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc
2009/4/7 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com:
2009/4/7 Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc
2009/4/7 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com:
In Chrome/Chromium, incognito mode is basically a new profile that
is
in
memory (plus or minus... the
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Brady Eidson beid...@apple.com wrote:
A commonly added feature in browsers these days is private browsing mode
where the intention is that the user's browsing session leaves no footprint
on their machine. Cookies, cache files, history, and other data that the
2009/4/7 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com:
I certainly can't think of how 3 could ever cause a problem. It
should be the same as the user just logging in from a computer they
haven't used before, shouldn't it?
I strongly share Jonas' concern that we'd tell web applications that we're
Hi. Since March of '06, Opera 9 has supported a custom extension to
the canvas context called "opera-2dgame." Importantly, their extension
adds these methods:
getPixel(x, y)
Returns the pixel value (colour, opacity) at (x, y). Returned in
the form #rrggbb if fully opaque and rgba(r, g, b, a)
Why not make getPixel () and setPixel() a standard?
The ImageData APIs already provide the ability to do this and are
already supported by Firefox, Opera and Safari.
--Oliver
2009/4/8 Jeremy Orlow jor...@google.com:
If a user is in private browsing mode typing up a message, they should
definitely not expect it to be there when they leave such a mode. If they
do expect it to be there, then they really wanted multiple profiles.
I know it's bad to make presumptions,
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:39 PM, timeless timel...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/4/8 Jeremy Orlow jor...@google.com:
If a user is in private browsing mode typing up a message, they should
definitely not expect it to be there when they leave such a mode. If
they
do expect it to be there, then they
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Brady Eidson beid...@apple.com wrote:
On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Jeremy Orlow wrote:
Both would lead to bizarre behavior where data that the application
thought was saved really wasn't.
This matches up with how most private browsing sessions handle cookies,
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Brady Eidson beid...@apple.com wrote:
On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:19 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote:
I think that doing option 3, and perhaps providing a way for the app to
know that we're in this mode so it can do whatever is appropriate (saving to
the cloud more
Aiee...sorry for the trouble; cancel my earlier note. [I realize
putImageData and getImageData fill the bill : /.]
Sincerely,
Jeff C.
Hi. Since March of '06, Opera 9 has supported a custom extension to
the canvas context called "opera-2dgame." Importantly, their extension
adds these
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:37 AM, David Singer sin...@apple.com wrote:
At 8:29 +1000 8/04/09, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
My mental analogy was HTML, where an acnhor takes you to that part of
the
page as a convenience, but nothing stops you from navigating away. And
in
the case where the UA
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote:
Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
Note that in the Media Fragment working group even the specification
of http://www.example.com/t.mov#time=10s-20s; may mean that only the
requested 10s clip is delivered
Since the part starting
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
Note that in the Media Fragment working group even the specification
of http://www.example.com/t.mov#time=10s-20s; may mean that only the
requested 10s clip is
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