Re: [whatwg] Section nesting menu and an old HTML 3 friend LH

2007-03-30 Thread Spartanicus
"Simon Pieters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I tried to find use-cases for list headers, where it is desired that they >not be part of the document outline. The people discussing in the >aforementioned thread could not provide any real use-cases, AFAICT. I concocted an example in this article

Re: [whatwg] Section nesting menu and an old HTML 3 friend LH

2007-03-30 Thread Robert Brodrecht
On Mar 30, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Simon Pieters wrote: How is this better than the following?: A list on stuff I, Item Item, the God Plot synopsis Characters Stunning conclusion (Or using instead of ?) A (same as a caption to a table) would

Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-30 Thread Martin Atkins
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: We think your reasons are strong and worthy of respect. That is why we are not trying to force our codec preference on you, but rather propose to leave this issue open. We ask you to respect our reasons as well, rather than trying to force us to go along with your cod

Re: [whatwg] Section nesting menu and an old HTML 3 friend LH

2007-03-30 Thread Robert Brodrecht
Tim Connor said: > being returned would be really nice, imho. It would have been > really nice if it was in 4.0 and then 1.x, but better late then never. > It's always been annoyed at having the choice of bare text (a pain to > style and script) in the li, followed by a block element, or a > seman

Re: [whatwg] Section nesting menu and an old HTML 3 friend LH

2007-03-30 Thread Simon Pieters
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:10:02 +0200, Tim Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Okay, sorry if there is a bunch of discussion I'm missing on this, but I've never been able to find it, and the archive search showed no discussion relating to this. I feel the LH died an untimely death. I think it's a

[whatwg] Section nesting menu and an old HTML 3 friend LH

2007-03-30 Thread Tim Connor
Okay, sorry if there is a bunch of discussion I'm missing on this, but I've never been able to find it, and the archive search showed no discussion relating to this. I feel the LH died an untimely death. I think it's amusing to see the back tracking from that concept inherent in some of the more

Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-30 Thread Christoph Päper
Maciej Stachowiak (Apple): Reasons Apple would like MPEG4 + H.264 + AAC to be the preferred codec stack In the end, isn't Safari going to play back whatever Quicktime supports? There is an Ogg Theora + Vorbis codec for Quicktime. It's easy to get and install. (I don't know whether it will

Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-30 Thread Robert Brodrecht
Maciej Stachowiak said: > I have no idea if any of > these is practical or even desirable, but I think we will need to > think along these lines rather than trying to bless one format > without consensus. Then it might be best to bless two. One for the vendors who have payed for MPEG4 and one fo

Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-30 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Mar 29, 2007, at 6:32 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: Dave Singer wrote: That's an attempt to force the issue by fiat. But any specification for anything could be described as "an attempt to force the issue by fiat". That' just loaded language. Let me frame the conversation a bit differen

Re: [whatwg] Tendious use cases for

2007-03-30 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:22:28 +0200, Michel Fortin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: These to examples are non-conformant according to the current spec. I won't say this is the ideal markup, but I think it's still better than opening and closing a dialog element each time you need a element. Any b

Re: [whatwg] Apply script.defer to internal scripts

2007-03-30 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Admittedly, but I still cannot see why the defer attribute must not be specified without an external source. What does this restriction buy you? An opportunity to advertise DOMContentLoaded? Using this event is much more complicated than using the defer attribute if it were supported. Chris

[whatwg] Tendious use cases for

2007-03-30 Thread Michel Fortin
Here are some various potential use cases for I've collected and which I think are problematic with the way the element is currently defined. Regular dialogue: http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2007/03/26/070326sh_shouts_rich IRC Logs: http://www.linode.com/irc/logs/linode-xenbeta.log-2006-

Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-30 Thread Gervase Markham
Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Gervase Markham wrote: Dave Singer wrote: No, writing it into the HTML specification is not a commercial reason. Assuming you have commercial reasons for supporting HTML 5 (which I suspect you do, otherwise you wouldn't be here) then having Ogg specifie