Re: [whatwg] Scripted querying of video capabilities

2008-08-20 Thread timeless
On Aug 14, 2008, at 11:14, timeless wrote: We'd probably be forced to lie and claim every codec imaginable. [including ogg (or rather vorbis, theora, speex, ...), as these are all imaginable] On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would the situation be any

Re: [whatwg] Disabled attribute for iframes

2008-08-20 Thread timeless
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Greg Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to propose a disabled attribute for iframes. things like this inevitably are used for copy protection. and they aren't going to work quite the way you expect on mobile devices (we're probably going to have a

[whatwg] Content models (in particular for embedded content)

2008-08-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Lachlan Hunt wrote: The spec currently defines most embedding elements (img, iframe, embed, object, video and canvas) as strictly inline level and thus only allows them to be used in contexts where strictly inline level content may be used. I think these elements

Re: [whatwg] Scripted querying of video capabilities

2008-08-20 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Aug 20, 2008, at 12:39, timeless wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would the situation be any different for the source element fallback? yes. people wouldn't try to ask us questions we can't answer. instead they'd be giving gecko lots of

Re: [whatwg] Content models (in particular for embedded content)

2008-08-20 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Aug 20, 2008, at 12:49, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sun, 8 Apr 2007, Henri Sivonen wrote: It might make sense to allow figure as struct inline. The interaction with p parsing in text/html would require research. On Sun, 8 Apr 2007, Henri Sivonen wrote: Anne says figure should work as a

Re: [whatwg] Client-side includes proposal

2008-08-20 Thread timeless
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you control the software used to read the data, it doesn't matter what the data format is. i kinda object to this. By this argument, video isn't necessary because youtube controlled the software (flash) used to read

Re: [whatwg] Content models (in particular for embedded content)

2008-08-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Aug 20, 2008, at 12:49, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sun, 8 Apr 2007, Henri Sivonen wrote: It might make sense to allow figure as struct inline. The interaction with p parsing in text/html would require research. I'm not convinced that this

Re: [whatwg] Scripted querying of video capabilities

2008-08-20 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Only the user that actually encounters a Web site deficiency should report it to the creator/owner (assuming they provided a reverse link). Otherwise such a report should be ignored as a supposition. Why should browser vendors bother that some pages do not display correctly in other browsers?

Re: [whatwg] hashchange only dispatched in history traversal

2008-08-20 Thread Křištof Želechovski
I am very disappointed. onhashchange intuitively means that the content hash changes (which is more or less equivalent to modifying the content, of course). I would call this event onreveal to be in line with the primary bookmark semantics. The name is inspired by the Finder AppleScript

Re: [whatwg] window.onerror -ancient feature needs upgrade

2008-08-20 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
A load error occurs when the document cannot be loaded. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garrett Smith Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 4:08 AM To: Ian Hickson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [whatwg] window.onerror -ancient

Re: [whatwg] Client-side includes proposal

2008-08-20 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Publishers who publish commercial content on physical media are rarely interested in having their content repackaged by someone else as they see fit. This is not very pleasant of course; however, you could possibly try to solve your problem by asking the vendor for a license to repackage their

Re: [whatwg] Client-side includes proposal

2008-08-20 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
I admit XSLT is heavy and it causes a significant rendering slowdown in the browser. This is not a problem because the XSLT processor runs on the publisher's machine once each time new content gets published - authoring that content would probably take much more time than publishing it anyway. I

Re: [whatwg] hashchange only dispatched in history traversal

2008-08-20 Thread Thomas Broyer
2008/8/20 Křištof Želechovski : I am very disappointed. onhashchange intuitively means that the content hash changes (which is more or less equivalent to modifying the content, of course). onlocationhashchange? ...because it's fired when location.hash changes... (I have personally no problem

Re: [whatwg] Scripted querying of video capabilities

2008-08-20 Thread timeless
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Kristof Zelechovski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only the user that actually encounters a Web site deficiency should report it to the creator/owner (assuming they provided a reverse link). Otherwise such a report should be ignored as a supposition. mass complaints

Re: [whatwg] Scripted querying of video capabilities

2008-08-20 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
No, no, and no. Author's POV: Mass complaints about _supposedly_ incompatible Web content from incompetent end users would only cause me, as the author, to file a complaint with the browser vendor. The browser should not pretend it is omniscient and it can teach everyone around. Vendor's POV:

Re: [whatwg] Fallback behavior

2008-08-20 Thread Křištof Želechovski
I am not sure what Ian means. M.S.'s description at http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2007-March/010043.html he seems to be opposing is definitive, exhaustive and that is what Internet Explorer 7 does. Scripts attached to elements included in supported objects do not run. An

Re: [whatwg] Client-side includes proposal

2008-08-20 Thread Elliotte Harold
Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Elliotte Harold wrote: In the case of non-Web content, the use of HTML is an academic point, since any format would work as well. Really? Why? and how? That's certainly not self-evident. When you control the software used to read the data, it doesn't

Re: [whatwg] hashchange only dispatched in history traversal

2008-08-20 Thread Garrett Smith
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Leons Petrazickis wrote: On 8/15/07, Michael A. Puls II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/14/07, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Michael A. Puls II wrote: We ended up using

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 : Misconceptions Documented

2008-08-20 Thread Garrett Smith
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:18 AM, timeless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Kristof Zelechovski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have considered inline response. I have two options: do it by hand (I am rather busy) and do it for every reply (which makes business people

Re: [whatwg] Scripted querying of video capabilities

2008-08-20 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you mean trying to download each video, giving it to GStreaming and seeing if an error code comes back? That might be what we have to do, yes. But at least that can be done asynchronously. You couldn't implement a

[whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

2008-08-20 Thread Bonner, Matt
Hola, I see that the Creative Commons has proposed additions to HTML to support licenses (ccREL): http://www.w3.org/Submission/2008/SUBM-ccREL-20080501/ As an example, they offer: div about=http://lessig.org/blog/; xmlns:cc=http://creativecommons.org/ns#; This page, by a

Re: [whatwg] Fallback behavior

2008-08-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Křištof Želechovski wrote: I am not sure what Ian means. M.S.'s description at http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2007-March/010043.html he seems to be opposing is definitive, exhaustive and that is what Internet Explorer 7 does. Scripts attached to

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

2008-08-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: Unless I missed something in the HTML5 spec, at the least this would add the property attribute to a. Wouldn't ccREL be expressed better using link instead of a? The whole thing would be best expressed as a microformat, as the entire thing

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

2008-08-20 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 21 août 2008 à 07:22, Bonner, Matt a écrit : I see that the Creative Commons has proposed additions to HTML to support licenses (ccREL): http://www.w3.org/Submission/2008/SUBM-ccREL-20080501/ And as a practical implementation of it. Click at the logo at the bottom, and it returns the

[whatwg] Workers proposal

2008-08-20 Thread Ian Hickson
I've received feedback from a number of people requesting a rethink to the API for creating and communicating with workers. Here is a skeleton of a new proposal. It makes the following changes: * Shared workers and dedicated workers get their own interfaces, inheriting from a common base

Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language

2008-08-20 Thread Bonner, Matt
Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: Unless I missed something in the HTML5 spec, at the least this would add the property attribute to a. Wouldn't ccREL be expressed better using link instead of a? The whole thing would be best expressed as a microformat, as the

Re: [whatwg] Workers proposal

2008-08-20 Thread Michael Nordman
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've received feedback from a number of people requesting a rethink to the API for creating and communicating with workers. Here is a skeleton of a new proposal. It makes the following changes: * Shared workers and

Re: [whatwg] Workers proposal

2008-08-20 Thread Jonas Sicking
This is looking great. A few comments though (of course :) ) Do we really need the SharedWorker interface. I.e. couldn't we just return a MessagePort? This would probably require that we use a factory function rather than a constructor, like getPortForSharedWorker or some such. In other