Re: [whatwg] Scripted querying of video capabilities

2008-10-16 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:44 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, Robert O'Callahan wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While the underlying media frameworks can't necessarily answer, if I give you a file with this MIME type, can you

Re: [whatwg] Color attributes

2008-10-16 Thread Simon Pieters
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:43:55 +0200, Simon Pieters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Color attributes in HTML have special processing. It seems that some pages use three-digit notation and expect it to work as in CSS. I've made the algorithm do that and I've drafted up a spec for this:

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread WeBMartians
...not sure if the following has been noted; if so, apologies... Currently, animated GIF and MNG images are used, sometimes, in loop forever form. Assuming that video might be used in an analogous fashion, loop-forever should be supported. I shudder to think about looping audio, however.

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread João Eiras
I shudder to think about looping audio, however. Animated GIFs are often called dancing baloney ... and looping audio would be...? One can program a game with svg or canvas with background music and sound effects, which is something proprietary plugins already allow.

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Am Mittwoch, den 15.10.2008, 20:03 -0700 schrieb Eric Carlson: After thinking about this, I'm not sure that limiting playback to a section of a media file will be used very often. Transcript anyone ? If you want to embed a lecture, for example, it makes sense to be able to link to specific

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Eric Carlson
On Oct 15, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Chris Double wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Eric Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However I also think that playing just a segment of a media file will be a common use- case, so I don't think we need start and end either. How would you emulate end

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Eric Carlson
On Oct 16, 2008, at 7:32 AM, Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 15.10.2008, 20:03 -0700 schrieb Eric Carlson: After thinking about this, I'm not sure that limiting playback to a section of a media file will be used very often. Transcript anyone ? If you want to embed a lecture,

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread SA Alfonso Baqueiro
hey people, you like to make everything as complex as posible don't you? playcount=1 only one time playcount=0 loop forever or playcount=-1 loop forever whats the problem? is it really so hard to program that?

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:17:49 +0200, SA Alfonso Baqueiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey people, you like to make everything as complex as posible don't you? Yes. playcount=1 only one time playcount=0 loop forever or playcount=-1 loop forever whats the problem? is it really so hard to

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Eric Carlson
On Oct 16, 2008, at 8:17 AM, SA Alfonso Baqueiro wrote: playcount=1 only one time playcount=0 loop forever or playcount=-1 loop forever Or how about loop = loop forever, else play one time though? eric

Re: [whatwg] video tag javascript library for contemporary browsers

2008-10-16 Thread Michael A. Puls II
On 10/16/08, Robert O'Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Michael A. Puls II [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Maybe video needs something (currently. maybe not in a few years) like a wmode param where the author can suggest (and the user can ultimately override if

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Dr. Markus Walther
Eric Carlson wrote: On Oct 15, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Chris Double wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Eric Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However I also think that playing just a segment of a media file will be a common use-case, so I don't think we need start and end either. How

Re: [whatwg] Some media element details

2008-10-16 Thread Bonner, Matt
Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Bonner, Matt wrote: the original proposal said: var playing = !video.paused !video.ended video.readyState = HTMLMediaElement.CAN_PLAY you appear to be proposing: var playing = !video.paused video.readyState = HTMLMediaElement.CAN_PLAY

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Allowing client-side fragments reduces the number of connections but allowing server-side partial content is likely to reduce the volume of data. Those features are antagonists, both are needed and it is hard to tell when each one should be. The case of hyperlinked transcript would be better

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Eric Carlson
On Oct 16, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Dr. Markus Walther wrote: Eric Carlson wrote: I agree that it is more work to implement a custom controller, but it seems a reasonable requirement given that this is likely to be a relatively infrequent usage pattern. How do you know this will be infrequent?

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Michael A. Puls II wrote: On 10/14/08, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be honest I'm not really convinced we need the looping feature at all. It seems like we should drop this from the current version. What benefit does it bring? Is looping really that common? If we got rid of it we

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Eric Carlson wrote: As we discussed on IRC today, I think a valid use case for looping is background audio. It is possible to implement looping from script, but as someone else in this thread commented, it will be very difficult to do cleanly (eg. without artifacts). If this was done as

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Jonas Sicking
Chris Double wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Eric Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However I also think that playing just a segment of a media file will be a common use-case, so I don't think we need start and end either. How would you emulate end via JavaScript in a reasonably

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden outside phrasing content

2008-10-16 Thread Mike Wilson
Kristof Zelechovski wrote: Why is FORM INPUT[type=hidden] not enough? Hi Chris, I'm sorry I don't follow your comment. My suggestion is about input type=hidden currently not being allowed in all locations in a document. Could you elaborate? (Maybe the followups below will make things clearer

Re: [whatwg] video tag javascript library for contemporary browsers

2008-10-16 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Michael A. Puls II [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: That would be cool to do it automatically. But, does using an overlay guarantee that other elements can't be placed on top of it? If so, then only the author of the page would know (by testing) that nothing needs to

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Dr. Markus Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Imagine e.g. an audio editor in a browser and the task play this selection of the oscillogram... Why should such use cases be left to the Flash 10 crowd

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden outside phrasing content

2008-10-16 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Your question made me think you want HEAD INPUT[type=hidden]. INPUT[type=hidden] must be within a paragraph (explicitly or implicitly) for consistency with other INPUT controls that are displayed. So, where a paragraph is not allowed, neither is the INPUT control; inserted where it does not

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
The documentation page Lachlan visited describes embedded technology, truncated to fit; you should understand that it may be incomplete. The mainstream documentation for the BGSOUND element is at http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms534134(VS.85).aspx. HTH, Chris -Original Message-

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden outside phrasing content

2008-10-16 Thread Andy Lyttle
table tr input type=hidden ... td/td /tr /table This is something I wanted to do recently. I was building HTML in a Perl script, adding table rows in a loop, and I wanted some rows to contain text field with user-editable value, while for other rows I wanted the value to be

Re: [whatwg] Color attributes

2008-10-16 Thread Andy Lyttle
While the first item's length in segments is greater than 2 and the first character in each item in segments is a U+0030 DIGIT ZERO character, remove the first character from each item in segments. Does this mean, if the length of the first item in segments is greater than 2 then loop

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden outside phrasing content

2008-10-16 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:08:32 +0200, Mike Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, maybe it is? Reading the spec again, I realize I had missed the sentence All phrasing content is also flow content. (I was mainly on the lookout for DTD-like info.) I have included a couple of the cases I'm thinking

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden outside phrasing content

2008-10-16 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Andy Lyttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: table tr input type=hidden ... td/td /tr /table This is something I wanted to do recently. I was building HTML in a Perl script, adding table rows in a loop, and I wanted some rows to contain text field with

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden outside phrasing content

2008-10-16 Thread Andy Lyttle
That seems sort of weird though. You're fine with putting the input type=text within the td, but you'd prefer *not* to do the same with the input type=hidden? It seems much more reasonable to just put it in the exact same place. At any rate, it certainly doesn't seem like a compelling

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Nils Dagsson Moskopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 15.10.2008, 20:03 -0700 schrieb Eric Carlson: After thinking about this, I'm not sure that limiting playback to a section of a media file will be used very often. Transcript anyone ? If you want

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Michael A. Puls II
On 10/16/08, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael A. Puls II wrote: On 10/14/08, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be honest I'm not really convinced we need the looping feature at all. It seems like we should drop this from the current version. What benefit does it bring? Is

Re: [whatwg] Whatwg Social Meeting This Month

2008-10-16 Thread Michael Carter
Hello, I've received a number of responses, and it looks like Thursday, 10/28, is the best date. I think that 7pm is the best time, but if someone has any pressing arguments for an earlier time (like, most whatwg contributors don't have have real jobs anyway =) then feel free to send them my way.

Re: [whatwg] video tag : loop for ever

2008-10-16 Thread Biju [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Eduard Pascual [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I quite agree with this idea. For a number, I think -1 would be ideal: it is already used by lots of desktop software to convey similar meanings, and could have an interesting benefit implementation-wise: if the 2's

[whatwg] Can AUDIO/VIDEO element have a balance attribute

2008-10-16 Thread Biju g...@il
Can AUDIO/VIDEO tag have a balance attribute like? http://developer.mozilla.org/En/HTML/Element/Bgsound BTW: Thanks to http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-October/016699.html for dmo link. spec: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#dom-media-volume