Re: [whatwg] page refresh and resubmitting POST state

2009-05-24 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
I certainly want refresh to redo, for example, when validating a local document that I am editing. Chris

Re: [whatwg] External document subset support

2009-05-24 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
The localization of your site starts with connection negotiation where the representation of resources served depends on the browser's language of choice. Configuring the server to support this needs some technical expertise, and so does using a server-side scripting language. External DTD support

Re: [whatwg] External document subset support

2009-05-24 Thread Brett Zamir
Henri Sivonen wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 11:50, Brett Zamir wrote: Henri Sivonen wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 09:36, Brett Zamir wrote: Also, as far as heavy server loads for frequent DTDs, entities could be deliberately not defined at a resolvable URL. There are existing XML doctypes out the

Re: [whatwg] page refresh and resubmitting POST state

2009-05-24 Thread Mike Wilson
Jonas Sicking wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:29 AM, Mike Wilson > wrote: > > I was thinking about the resubmit problem in a general > > context, specifically how browsers could make it possible > > for web authors to create POSTing pages that avoids giving > > the dreaded "do you want to resu

Re: [whatwg] page refresh and resubmitting POST state

2009-05-24 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:29 AM, Mike Wilson wrote: > I was thinking about the resubmit problem in a general > context, specifically how browsers could make it possible > for web authors to create POSTing pages that avoids giving > the dreaded "do you want to resubmit" question at all, > independe

Re: [whatwg] page refresh and resubmitting POST state

2009-05-24 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Sun, 24 May 2009 17:40:21 +0100, Mike Wilson wrote: > Aryeh Gregor wrote: >> You should spell out the existing problem carefully and in >> great detail, including existing solutions or workarounds, to >> get the best response. > > I certainly intend to do this once I get feedback on whether >

Re: [whatwg] on bibtex-in-html5

2009-05-24 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: > If markup for a publication identifier in a reference is required, can this > identifier be an URN-encoded?  The NID will tell what kind of an identifier > it is. > I have used myself, perhaps not quite in line > with the definition o

Re: [whatwg] page refresh and resubmitting POST state

2009-05-24 Thread Mike Wilson
Kornel Lesinski wrote: > Is it possible for HTML 5 spec to say that browsers may > re-send PUT without asking? It sounds like you are starting to agree with me that topics like these could deserve a place in the HTML5 spec :-) Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Kornel Lesins

Re: [whatwg] page refresh and resubmitting POST state

2009-05-24 Thread Mike Wilson
Aryeh Gregor wrote: > You should spell out the existing problem carefully and in > great detail, including existing solutions or workarounds, to > get the best response. I certainly intend to do this once I get feedback on whether this subject is relevant for HTML5, or any other whatwg spec (pr

Re: [whatwg] page refresh and resubmitting POST state

2009-05-24 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Sun, 24 May 2009 16:50:38 +0100, Aryeh Gregor wrote: >> Is it possible for HTML 5 spec to say that browsers may re-send PUT >> without asking? (and that authors should use PUT only when resending is >> not going to cause this problems). > > When would that be? When application is protect

Re: [whatwg] on bibtex-in-html5

2009-05-24 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
If markup for a publication identifier in a reference is required, can this identifier be an URN-encoded? The NID will tell what kind of an identifier it is. I have used myself, perhaps not quite in line with the definition of the Q element but, since the cite attribute in XHTML is not universal

Re: [whatwg] page refresh and resubmitting POST state

2009-05-24 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Kornel Lesinski wrote: > It only needs to keep it as long as Back history is kept, and could get > rid of it as soon as this entry is removed from Back/Forward history. In practice, that history can be kept for a long time. Even if the tab is closed, "undo close

Re: [whatwg] page refresh and resubmitting POST state

2009-05-24 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Sun, 24 May 2009 15:41:12 +0100, Aryeh Gregor wrote: >> This problem can be elegantly solved within existing standards: Opera >> simply goes back in history without resubmitting forms, and resubmits >> only when user clicks standard Reload button (or F5, etc.) > > Firefox does that too,

Re: [whatwg] page refresh and resubmitting POST state

2009-05-24 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Mike Wilson wrote: > Thanks for expanding on my previous mail, Jonas, but I was assuming > that everyone on this list was aware of the PRG pattern and its > existing support in browsers. > > With current technology there are limitations to the usefulness of > PRG (

Re: [whatwg] on bibtex-in-html5

2009-05-24 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: ... > I agree that BibTeX is suboptimal. But what should we use instead? As I've suggested: 1) use Dublin Core. This gives you the basic critical properties: literals for titles and dates, and relations for versions, part/containers, contrib

Re: [whatwg] Removing the need for separate feeds

2009-05-24 Thread Eduard Pascual
On 5/22/09, Eduard Pascual wrote: > [...] > For manually authored pages and feeds things would be different; but > are there really a significant ammount of such cases out there? I > can't say I have seen the entire web (who can?), but among what I have > seen, I have never encountered any hand au