Re: [whatwg] microformats incompatible with WebApps 1.0 ?

2006-12-11 Thread Ian Hickson
m. > > Then why not take just one more tiny step and encourage everyone to do > so? You were asking for requirements before. If you just want encouragement, then write a blog post about the matter, or add a page to the wiki, or write a tutorial or opinion piece or whatever. It's out of scope for the specification. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] microformats incompatible with WebApps 1.0 ?

2006-12-12 Thread Ian Hickson
nteresting. I don't have the time to set something like this up, sadly. However, if you are willing to help, I would definitely be open to chatting on IRC to explain various design decisions which you could then document on the wiki or in blog posts. -- Ian

Re: [whatwg] microformats incompatible with WebApps 1.0 ?

2006-12-12 Thread Ian Hickson
made, and contribute > with feedback instead of having to ask for the reasons of the desicions > first. Feel free to ask the questions. :-) Often, there might not be any conscious reeasoning, and having the question asked may highlight problems that had not previously been considered. --

Re: [whatwg] Parsing: element

2006-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > > For a string like: > > TEST > > The current text seems to suggest the following DOM (not including everything > here): > > > > "TEST" > > Because is not a phrasing nor a formatting

Re: [whatwg] element?

2006-12-15 Thread Ian Hickson
ven't examined the proposal yet), I just want to make the point that the fact that one non-implemented feature is not a solution because it isn't implemented yet is not an argument in favour of another feature that is just as unimplemented but even less well defined. :-) -- Ian Hicks

Re: [whatwg] Possible typo in lang/xml:lang section

2006-12-20 Thread Ian Hickson
ot; > > The second sentence should probably say "xml:lang", not "lang", since > HTML authors are actually supposed to use lang. Good catch. Thanks. Fixed. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/

Re: [whatwg] Handling of uplicate attribute names in tokenisation stage

2006-12-20 Thread Ian Hickson
that gets associated with it (if any). > """ > > I assume the "it" in "it must be dropped" refers to the attribute being > currently parsed, not the one which were already there on the token (at > least, this is what was assumed in python'

Re: [whatwg] Timestamps for s

2006-12-20 Thread Ian Hickson
rates an index (e.g. index.whatwg.org or maybe a page auto-maintained on the wiki or something) please send me an e-mail off-list and we can set something up. Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hix

Re: [whatwg] Index of elements, attributes, and other things

2006-12-21 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Karl Dubost wrote: > > Le 21 d�c. 2006 � 14:19, Ian Hickson a �crit : > > If anyone (Karl?) wants to maintain an index page somewhere that > > autogenerates an index > > http://esw.w3.org/topic/HtmlIndex On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Matt McDonald wrote: >

Re: [whatwg] Bug in "Before DOCTYPE name state"?

2006-12-21 Thread Ian Hickson
st affects whether to use strict mode or quirks mode, it doesn't affect anything else, and in particular has no bearing on whether the document itself has parse errors or not. > So I'll just code it so that these are "correct": > > > and every other lowercase/up

Re: [whatwg] Web Applications 1.0 does not include

2006-12-21 Thread Ian Hickson
nts > in a few processing rules. What is the status of this element? I cannot > find any discussion of its fate in the mailing list archives. will be defined in due course. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http:/

Re: [whatwg] several messages

2007-01-03 Thread Ian Hickson
s of the HTML5 spec is dealing with tag soup, I > would think that a scope that does not attempt to address that issue is > A Bad Thing(tm). The "tag soup" is just the parsing rules. The parsing rules are part of the markup language. The markup language is explicitly in scope. HTH, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Presentational safety valves

2007-01-03 Thread Ian Hickson
hooray, that's someone who isn't misusing ". For the record, note that is now in HTML5. If I recall correctly, the only element now missing is , and that will be added in due course (when I get around to speccing what WYSIWYG editors are allowed to do). -- Ian Hickson

Re: [whatwg] scrolling

2007-01-03 Thread Ian Hickson
sers > handle them. Thoughts? > > [1] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/csswg/cssom/Overview.src.html > [2] http://xulplanet.com/ndeakin/xul/specs/scrollspec.html I believe Anne is working on the spec ([1]) to cover these. Anne? If he's not, then yeah, I'll have to make sure the

Re: [whatwg] EOF handling in the main phase

2007-01-03 Thread Ian Hickson
e popped of from the stack of open elements. > Shouldn't that be covered? Doesn't matter how they are popped from the stack. You could just throw the stack away and be done. Once you stop parsing, the stack is never again used, and never affects the document. -- Ian Hickson

Re: [whatwg] Presentational safety valves

2007-01-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > > On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 00:57:46 +0100, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For the record, note that is now in HTML5. If I recall correctly, > > the only element now missing is , and that will be added in due > >

Re: [whatwg] as a wrapper for inline content

2007-01-03 Thread Ian Hickson
switch to using the new elements. We have to balance making life easier for early adopters with making life better on the long run. What's the use case for elements containing inlines? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/

Re: [whatwg] Presentational safety valves

2007-01-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:50:34 +0100, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > There are of course far more elements not in HTML5 than just . > > > It's not really clear to me what you mean here. Ca

Re: [whatwg] EOF handling in the main phase

2007-01-03 Thread Ian Hickson
de is not a body node, this is a parse > error. Isn't this just reversing the two paragraphs and moving the Otherwise to the other paragraph? What's the practical difference? I'm confused. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] as a wrapper for inline content

2007-01-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Kornel Lesinski wrote: > On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 00:58:34 -0000, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What's the use case for elements containing inlines? > > From microformats.org: > > > http://tantek.com/";>Tante

Re: [whatwg] EOF handling in the main phase

2007-01-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:14:37 +0100, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How doesn't it introduce a condition? It's one big "if". In fact, it's two > > of them. > > To me it's ambiguous

Re: [whatwg] EOF handling in the main phase

2007-01-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:27:33 +0100, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > > > On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:14:37 +0100, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >

Re: [whatwg] several messages

2007-01-04 Thread Ian Hickson
to post such suggestions on the blog (to gather feedback) and then to create Wiki pages detailing the suggestions and including summaries of the feedback you received. You could have suggestions for UI for browsers for various features in the spec, as well as including suggestions

Re: [whatwg] Comments on WebForms 2.0

2007-01-04 Thread Ian Hickson
o might see me generate a fair number of > separate emails.) Either is fine by me. Whatever is easier for you is best. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] several messages

2007-01-04 Thread Ian Hickson
There are no rules. Things can always be fixed later, that's the magic of Wikis! :-) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Presentational safety valves

2007-01-04 Thread Ian Hickson
e non-conformant, but what should UAs do? The specs on Ruby currently at the W3C (both for CSS and for XHTML) are woefully inadequate in terms of describing error handling rules right now. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--..

Re: [whatwg] usemap on input

2007-01-16 Thread Ian Hickson
n WF2 is integrated with WA1, unless there are interoperability issues that mean it should be dropped. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] causes unexpected EOF error

2007-01-16 Thread Ian Hickson
ere any of those, too, etc.) So any other bug -- like the missing EOF -- is quite minor. :-) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [WebApps] canvas transform()/setTransform()

2007-01-16 Thread Ian Hickson
ng authors to copy them from one to hte other > format and back. Indeed. On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Stefan Haustein wrote: > > could somebody please clarify whether the unusual parameter order is > intended -- or simply a bug in the specification? It was a bug in the specification. C

Re: [whatwg] Pre element question

2007-01-19 Thread Ian Hickson
to introduce a special behaviour for a newline at the start of a element. IE actually does it for more than just the element (e.g. it does it for , though not ) but compatibility with the Web only seems to require it for since that's all that the other browsers do it for. Fixed

Re: [whatwg] Pre element question

2007-01-19 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > > > [in standards mode] > > > > I couldn't reproduce this. In Firefox trunk, with: > > > > http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C%21DOCTYPE%20html%3E%3Cstyle%3Epre%20%7B%20border%3A%20solid%3B%20%7D%3C/style%3E%0A%3Cpre%3E%0Ax%0A%3

Re: [whatwg] Pre element question

2007-01-21 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: > > On Saturday 20 January 2007 01:08, Ian Hickson wrote: > > > > In HTML5, we're dropping that requirement, since everyone ignores it. > > However, we will, as you point out, have to introduce a special behaviour >

Re: [whatwg] problem araising on browser

2007-01-21 Thread Ian Hickson
o follow to appear perfectly > on both I'm afraid this is not a help support mailing list. I recommend contacting your browser vendor manufacturers to report the differences. Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL h

Re: [whatwg] xml:space

2007-01-22 Thread Ian Hickson
ince this editor artifact is harmless in browsers and useful in > editors, it would be nice if the spec made it conforming at least on the > element in XHTML5. It's automatically conforming everywhere, no? Isn't it an XML thing? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Editorial: British or American spelling

2007-01-22 Thread Ian Hickson
g. Right now I haven't made any effort to conform to one or the other, as which one is eventually used depends on where the spec ends up. Before the spec is finished it will have a spelling cleanup. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'

Re: [whatwg] Comparison of XForms-Tiny and WF2

2007-01-25 Thread Ian Hickson
his work in progress could be made public, it would be a great help. Some of the ideas in the XForms-Tiny examples look interesting, but without seeing the overall model they really are not clear enough to use as feedback on the Web Forms 2 W3C working draft. Cheers, -- Ian Hic

Re: [whatwg] Comparison of XForms-Tiny and WF2

2007-01-29 Thread Ian Hickson
ly as Google managed to index it, and they obey robots.txt). For the record, the document in question is permanently archived at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2003Sep/att-0014/hfp.html Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'

Re: [whatwg] Multi-touch events

2007-01-30 Thread Ian Hickson
wards-multi-touch-in-the-browser An interesting point. I recommend bringing this up with the WebAPI working group, who are working on mouse events and the DOM events model in general. http://www.w3.org/2006/webapi/ -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] the form attribute

2007-02-03 Thread Ian Hickson
the form *node* the control is associated with. > Turning that into a list of strings will break a lot of existing content > like > > > > I'd rename the form attribute to formsList . (Name is up for discussion > of course..) The "form attribute" in the

Re: [whatwg] Editorial> webforms 2 section 2.12

2007-02-03 Thread Ian Hickson
s stuff which might list others. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Web Apps 1.0 Editorial: IDL Bindings

2007-02-05 Thread Ian Hickson
rking group at the W3C work on the suggested "DOM Bindings For ECMAScript" specification before going ahead, since there's no point duplicating effort. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/,

Re: [whatwg] clarification on createRadialGradient( x0, y0, r0, x1, y1, r1 )

2007-02-08 Thread Ian Hickson
anything else wrong (in particular, I didn't test what should happen outside the "start" circle). Thanks, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] "live" image maps

2007-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
by handling each case specifically or stating in general that the > specified algorithms always apply or something. Ok. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Problems with DOMTokenString

2007-02-11 Thread Ian Hickson
aList; > > } > > Admittedly these are much less likely to be toggled at runtime in the > browser than the class, but it may be useful for scripts that search the > document for anchors with particular relationships, for example. mediaList is complicated, but will get its own

Re: [whatwg] W3C compatibility

2007-02-12 Thread Ian Hickson
atibilities, the XHTML5 specification will be fixed to match. I hope this answers your questions. There were a number of other e-mails on this thread, which I will reply in due course, though not for some time. If people want specific e-mails replied to sooner, pleas

Re: [whatwg] Storage.key(index) and INDEX_SIZE_ERR

2007-02-13 Thread Ian Hickson
ipt Bindings for DOM or something in case of ECMAScript. I agree. And once that spec exists... -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Clarify how to indicate document hierarchy

2007-02-13 Thread Ian Hickson
consistent authoring styles for this stuff. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] contentEditable & events

2007-02-13 Thread Ian Hickson
signMode is how they handle scripting and events. > So my question is, should this be stated within the contentEditable > section, or within the to-be-written designMode section? I have added it to the now-written designMode section. Cheers, -- Ian Hic

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 and PHP

2007-02-15 Thread Ian Hickson
atch the research I have done -- could you elaborate on the methodology you used to obtain these numbers? Based on my own research I would say that 45% is far over-estimating the number of pages on the Web that are generated using PHP. Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] members

2007-02-20 Thread Ian Hickson
to avoid the mess that the .defaultFoo stuff has caused over the years. Do you disagree with this decision? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Vlad Alexander (xhtml.com) wrote: > > Why do we need X/HTML 5? When did this need become apparent? HTML started as a document language for scientist to share their work. It evolved over time; for example the element was added, forms were added, WYSIWYG features were added, an

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Ian Hickson
eb sites)? According to some other research we did for the HTML5 effort, over 95% of the Web today is HTML, with the rest being mostly a smattering of PDF, Word, and plain text. Under what definition of the word could it be considered "dead"? Web designers never stopped writing HTML pages. I don't think we'll have any difficulty convincing them to continue doing so. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-20 Thread Ian Hickson
the best we can do is design the language to make "the right thing" easier, and invest more heavily in education. In this regard HTML is in the same boat as more important subjects; I imagine that as we improve the quality of education in general, understanding of the importance of

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-21 Thread Ian Hickson
, actually. The IETF has done a good job of being open. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Layout Problem: Floating Elements with different heights breaks the flow.

2007-02-21 Thread Ian Hickson
oblems. However, we have a separate mailing list for design problems, which you are welcome to join. It is [EMAIL PROTECTED] See more information here: http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/help-whatwg.org Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.f

[whatwg] How to make HTML5 easier to teach (Was: several messages about HTML5)

2007-02-23 Thread Ian Hickson
#x27;d love to make the spec easier to use for education. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

[whatwg] Comments on and addEventSource()

2007-02-26 Thread Ian Hickson
elated to code that's doing stuff. On 24 Oct 2006, then again on 6 Dec 2006, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: > > Why do we need an <event-source> element in the markup? It only makes > sense in conjunction with scripting, so I think it would be better to > drop this element and have the event source objects only created by > scripts. Similar practices are already established for objects like > XMLHttpRequest, XSLTransform (to name a few). Primarily for ease of scripting. This: <script> function process(msg) { // ... } ...is easier than: function process(msg) { // ... } document.addEventListener('message', function (event) { process(event.data) }, false); document.addEventSource('stocks.cgi'); However, looking forward, especially in conjunction with XBL2, one could imagine systems built around responding to events, such that we could end up having things like: ...where the stockTicker element is implemented by XBL, and expects a stream of messages to be targetted at, or to bubble past, the bound element; the event-source element can then provide these events without any scripting on the part of the author. There were also some comments about the event-source format itself related to what happens with feeds with no trailing newline. I fixed the format description. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Allow Authors to Specify the event-source Retry Interval

2007-02-27 Thread Ian Hickson
the connection in 60,000 milliseconds (1 > minute). I've added this to the spec as a comment. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Comments on and addEventSource()

2007-02-27 Thread Ian Hickson
x27;message'. Fixed the example. > Editorial: in the "Message events" section the definition "message" is > not marked up with . And the "onmessage" event handler points > doesn't point to it. Is that still there? I couldn't find it. -- Ian

Re: [whatwg] Comments on and addEventSource()

2007-02-27 Thread Ian Hickson
er-side system can include such events at the start of the feed, certainly. But I don't see that you'd want to see the events from the previous page load itself. If anything, if you're reloading the page it's to get rid of the existing content, no? > > I can see cases (e.g. games) where you'd want all events since the > > page was generated, to make sure the game state since then can be > > represented -- but that's easy enough, two techniques would be first > > to include a generation number in the URI, and second to make the > > first event sent back be a complete update of the current state. > > Yes, the first techniques require the server to dynamically generate the > URI on a per-client basis. I think. Certainly. I'd fully expect this to be the case. I don't see how this differs from the case you give. Thanks again for your input! Please do keep it coming. :-) Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Ideas regarding Web Applications 1.0

2007-02-27 Thread Ian Hickson
ed > > > | not to display frames. > > > | > > > > That's a pretty convincing argument against this element. :-) > > I get what you're saying, but I don't see a better solution for > backwards compatibility. Showing the content itself w

Re: [whatwg] Comments on and addEventSource()

2007-02-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 04:01:55 +0100, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Editorial: in the "Message events" section the definition "message" is > > > not marked up with . And the "onmes

Re: [whatwg] [HTML5] both ID and NAME attributes apply to MAP element

2007-02-28 Thread Ian Hickson
but requires UAs to support both. Please let me know if that satisfies your request -- I know it's not quite what you asked for, but allowing both seemed pointless. Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Numbering things other than

2007-02-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Matthew Thomas wrote: > On 8 Jan, 2005, at 3:47 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: > > ... > > http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#form-submission > > ... > > Incidentally, the markup in this section suggests to me that Web Apps > > is goin

Re: [whatwg] several messages about the proposal

2007-02-28 Thread Ian Hickson
irectly inside DL. (In XML Schema you can express such a thing, not > sure if it is possible using DTDs.) On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Matthew Raymond wrote: > > I did a quick test, and using in a produces a bullet on > Firefox, IE and Opera, whereas and the complete lack of a parent

Re: [whatwg] text/html conformance checkers and optional tag inference

2007-02-28 Thread Ian Hickson
The spec still allows them for now. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [WA1] Title Element Content Model

2007-02-28 Thread Ian Hickson
the content models for XHTML, I see no reason not too. Given your arguments in [EMAIL PROTECTED] and your comments in #whatwg, I assume you have changed your mind. :-) (The answer is that must be usable in pure-text enviroments -- indeed, the whole point of is pur

Re: [whatwg] [WA1] Specifying Character Encoding

2007-02-28 Thread Ian Hickson
rrect. Perhaps it should be explicitly stated > that text/xml should not be used, with a reference to the webarch > recommendation. I never did understand why people don't like text/*. It's nice and short and all these types are text, so... I've made no changes to the

Re: [whatwg] HTML5: New link-types regarding guideline 2.4 in WCAG 2.0

2007-02-28 Thread Ian Hickson
k, > etc. Could some of these be improved and included within web apps? > > [1] http://lachy.id.au/dev/markup/specs/wclr/ permalink = bookmark feed = feed via = don't have that one, do we need it? related = it seems implicit that all links are related referral = don't under

Re: [whatwg] [html5] %Pixels; unnecessary

2007-02-28 Thread Ian Hickson
te of the TABLE element type) so it could as well be: > border NUMBER #IMPLIED -- controls frame width around table -- Given that HTML5 has no DTD, this is presumably not an issue. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.

Re: [whatwg] OBJECT as a link target?

2007-03-01 Thread Ian Hickson
for the new file. I think this is an interesting idea, though I don't know how much demand there is for this. I would recommend following this up with the group documenting the NPAPI. The HTML language basically already supports what you're asking for; although most UAs would implement

Re: [whatwg] : removing the src="" content attribute

2007-03-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > > Currently it's only clear what should happen when you mutate the > attribute. There's an assumption that there will be a new value which > doesn't have to be the case. For instance, if the src="" attribute is

Re: [whatwg] Possible bug in the character encoding detection algorithm

2007-03-02 Thread Ian Hickson
actly as written now you still get an error. > This fails to locate the character encoding in e.g.: http-equiv="Content-Type Obviously one possibility > is to get all attributes and then, if the current byte is ASCII < move > the position back one. You shouldn't get the charac

Re: [whatwg] require img dimensions to be correct?

2007-03-03 Thread Ian Hickson
at seems like a useful feature to me. The question isn't whether or not you should have the ability to scale images; it's clear that this is desirable. The question is whether it makes sense to put this in HTML as opposed to CSS. Why would HTML be the place to put this? If we p

Re: [whatwg] JavaScipt in output?

2007-03-05 Thread Ian Hickson
x27;s an open issues in HTML5. In HTML4, there's a Content-Script-Type thing that can be used, I guess we could move this into HTML5 too now that we have the pragma directives thing. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL ht

Re: [whatwg] text/plain submissions and repetitions

2007-03-05 Thread Ian Hickson
pare the algorithm for collecting the field name/value/index and repetition block data to the algorithm for text/plain serialisation and you'll see not all the data is used. The sentence you quote is merely making that observation. (It's a non-normative statement.) -- I

[whatwg] W3C restarts HTML effort

2007-03-07 Thread Ian Hickson
osted a WHATWG blog entry with this information: http://blog.whatwg.org/w3c-restarts-html-effort Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] W3C restarts HTML effort

2007-03-07 Thread Ian Hickson
can't join the list without going through the working group membership process. But yes, it is refreshing to see the W3C adopt an approach so much more open than most previous W3C working groups. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL ht

Re: [whatwg] W3C restarts HTML effort

2007-03-07 Thread Ian Hickson
ply to you. There's a separate set of steps for members: http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/40318/instructions HTH, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] call for participation: W3C HTML Working Group

2007-03-07 Thread Ian Hickson
our current proposals. http://www.whatwg.org/mailing-list#specs http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/ > I look forward to working on HTML with you. Indeed! On behalf of the WHATWG, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.

Re: [whatwg] input type="password"

2007-03-09 Thread Ian Hickson
g.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#the-autocomplete -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch

2007-03-11 Thread Ian Hickson
don't see what you describe as a problem, but as a strength. Sure, it's less "pure", but it is far more pragmatic, and far more likely to actually work and remain maintainable on the long term. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Typo in 3.7.5.3. Pragma directives

2007-03-11 Thread Ian Hickson
the user agent processed it and reached > the last step of this list of steps), then abort these steps." > > [1] http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#pragma Fixed, thanks. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.

Re: [whatwg] Thesis draft about HTML5 conformance checking

2007-03-11 Thread Ian Hickson
it's worth, search engine engineers I have spoken to have told me that what browsers do is far more important than what a particular version of a search engine does in terms of what the specification should say, because their results are better when their algorithms match the b

Re: [whatwg] Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch

2007-03-12 Thread Ian Hickson
imagine the complexity of having to implement three dozen variants just to render content written from 2035 to 2080? > In effect, I'm suggesting a structure like this: > > --Base rendering engine > | > +- HTML 4 quirks mode > +- HTML 5 (

Re: [whatwg] Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch

2007-03-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Matthew Ratzloff wrote: > On Mon, March 12, 2007 10:39 am, Ian Hickson wrote: > >> > >> It's tempting to think that browser makers will get it right the > >> first time, but I'm not sure I believe it. might > >> introduc

Re: [whatwg] Attributes vs. Elements

2007-03-12 Thread Ian Hickson
ng any element - > unless we want to stick to the boring world where theres only the > elements that enough people could agree upon. I really don't understand what you're proposing here. What is the problem you are trying to solve? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Styling of datagrid content

2007-03-12 Thread Ian Hickson
ion. However, this will require coordination with the CSS working group. datagrid::row(odd) datagrid::row(even) datagrid::row(.foo.bar) /* to match rows with foo and bar classes */ ...etc. I'll note your list of examples for when we get to that. Cheers, -- Ian

Re: [whatwg] Attributes vs. Elements

2007-03-12 Thread Ian Hickson
o apply in real life... Don't worry, the WHATWG basic principles put pragmatism first. It's the only way to get a spec implemented, and without implementations, specs are somewhat academic. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL ht

Re: [whatwg] Prefilling repetitions

2007-03-13 Thread Ian Hickson
n do that to any select widget, whether in a repetition template or not. If you're trying to prefixx a _form_, then you do that at the form level, and the spec describes how it works for repetition fields. I have no idea what you would mean by a "data" attribute on an eleme

Re: [whatwg] Scripting and WF2 repetition model?

2007-03-14 Thread Ian Hickson
eturn result; } By the way, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably more appropriate for this thread. (That's our authoring help mailing list.) HTH, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] input elements and css styles

2007-03-14 Thread Ian Hickson
way? This is what the (not yet begun) Web Controls 1.0 specification is intended to cover. However, there is no estimated time for work on this specification to begin. In the meantime, I recommend contacting your browser vendor directly. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)

[whatwg] Video proposals

2007-03-15 Thread Ian Hickson
te between playing it and playing the content of the rest of the page; in neither case would you simply treat the content of the media as inserted into the playback stream with no ability to pause it independently of the main document content). ON SMIL On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Bjo

Re: [whatwg] Thesis draft about HTML5 conformance checking

2007-03-16 Thread Ian Hickson
earch engines is not important. That is what is relevant in the context of Henri's thesis. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] element proposal

2007-03-17 Thread Ian Hickson
togglePause() pause(true)pause() pause(false) play() There are (good?) reasons for the differences; I looked at the Flash API very closely. I'll reply in more detail next week. -- Ian Hickson

[whatwg] element feedback

2007-03-20 Thread Ian Hickson
evidence suggests that we should avoid making the mistakes SMIL made, if we want to address author needs successfully. On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, H�kon Wium Lie wrote: > > Also sprach Bjoern Hoehrmann [corrected by Ian Hickson]: > > > ++-+

[whatwg] element feedback

2007-03-20 Thread Ian Hickson
terms of solutions instead of impossibilities, you could simply have a > property HTMLObject.objectController, which then gets you an object > specific to the ‘media group’. It wouldn't be "simply", though. You'd need to define how to determine what the media group is, you'd need to define how to change from one type to another, you'd need to have browsers implement all this on top of all their existing bugs -- sometimes, it's just better to keep things separate, even if they seem like they could be abstracted out into one concept. We can't ignore our past experiences in designing HTML5. (Incidentally, this message and the previous one was BCC'ed to everyone who wrote e-mails that I took into account when designing the changes to the spec. I didn't necessarily actually reply to each one, because many of them said the same thing. Apologies for any confusion if you were BCC'ed but didn't know why.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-03-21 Thread Ian Hickson
is? * Time triggers, or cue marks, are a useful feature that has currently been left in the v2 list; I've heard some demand for this though and I would not be opposed to putting this in v1 if people think we should. * I have no objection to adding more events. Once we have a bet

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-03-21 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Ian Hickson wrote: > > * The "mute" feature is IMHO better left at the UI level, with the API > only having a single volume attribute. This is because there are > multiple ways to implement muting, and it seems better to not bias the > API to

Re: [whatwg] Codecs (was Re: Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements)

2007-03-22 Thread Ian Hickson
ietary technologies are those that are under the control of a single vendor. MPEG-4 is not proprietary. It's not available under royalty free licensing. But it is not under the control of a single vendor. That is the important difference, not whether the technology is patented or not. --

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