On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Robert Sayre wrote:
> On 3/23/07, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > I hate to be the one to break this to you, but CSS is covered by
> > patents,
>
> I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you don't [know] anything
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Robert Sayre wrote:
> On 3/23/07, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > The technologies I listed _are_ covered by patents, yet they are not
> > proprietary. This seems like a relevant counterexample to your
> > argument.
>
>
et
out of the STOPPED state if you have chosen a media resource.
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> loading the content?
The STOPPED state represents when there is no data. There is now data, so
it is no longer STOPPED. (STOPPED was at one point called NO_MEDIA. Maybe
we should consider changing it back.)
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#x27;t think the Apple proposal,
as it stands, is very easy to author a UI against, and I don't think the
current spec does enough. There's presumably a middle ground that works
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support for other
> specifications, SVG viewers are required to support both JPEG and PNG:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/conform.html#ConformingSVGViewers
SVG is not a spec I would recommend using as an example of a good spec.
> And I haven't see
ely working on incorporating more of them as we speak. I'll
be writing a detailed response when I've finished my first draft.
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doesn't seem to have taken very well though. I shall investigate further.
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You'd need type=button on those s, and type=toolbar on the ,
but otherwise that seems about right. Yes, it'd be one way to do it. You
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> especially since HTMLCommandElement is defined differently in the previous
> section.
Thanks, I'll fix this.
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automatically be sent to the
nearest (likely only) element. This is really just a
matter of getting the browser vendors to implement that UI.
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running, e.g. changing the data from under it.
Thus, concepts like modal dialogs for editing no longer work; instead you
have to use concepts like those of wikis and collaborative software, even
in the single-user case.
Thanks for your input! Sorry it took so long for me to proce
work, but when
> things ease I will prepare a longer response about these WHAT sections.
Did things ever ease up, by any chance? I don't think we ever got a more
detailed review.
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you can make sure you're not being driven by unexpected content). I'm not
sure we can remove it. Given the existence of the workaround by using a
proxy iframe, I think we can punt on the problem for now -- if it turns
out to be a major problem, we can address in fu
omain... etc.)
>
> So... if you didn't use a "_blank" for the target, the landing page for
> the ad would open up in the tiny (instead of a new window).
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
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> That's a use case for _top or _parent, not _blank.
Indeed.
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> other instances of your own web app.
Also true.
These are strong arguments for putting _blank back.
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hange the spec the other way.
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ere's nothing to add. :-) If his proposal is good, it'll stand up
on its own merits. I read every proposal.
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ase URI from the encapsulating entity" or the
"URI used to retrieve the entity". See RFC2396.
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote:
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> Note that some of the suggestions made in this thread would give quite
> surprising results e.g. when using XInclude.
You didn't
A number of people made proposals related to sandboxing content to improve
Web security.
To be honest, I did not think the proposals by and large were very well
thought out; they seemed to be based mostly on intuition and not on
careful design. For example, none of the proposals clearly stated
On Tue, 16 May 2006, Andrew Fedoniouk wrote:
> > > |
> > > | Canvases are automatically double-buffered.
> > >
> > > Why? Is this a requirement?
> >
> > Not in theory, but in practice it is. Early Opera implementations
> > didn't do this and the performance was too slow for practical use.
>
> T
ou want to mix text with the
> > graphics.)
>
> May I assume that the inclusion of gradients is solely because they are
> implemented for fills aleady?
Pretty much, I think.
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quot;URL" is fine.
> Whether the answer is yes or no, it might be a good idea to tweak that
> section slightly to be more consistent, since it seems to use URI and
> URL interchangably.
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}
Since the warning might not be necessary anyway (e.g. because the server
might do the conversion silently), I don't think it's a big deal.
It could become more important in the future if the author wanted to
convert to HD Photo by preference, with fallback to J
to this
list will still be taken into account, as it always has. In fact, my first
order of business going forward is to respond to the thousands of e-mails
of feedback sent to this list over the last few years; you may have
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nment.
You can use uppercase letters when setting, which is where you're most
likely to see this. It only affects the getter.
I think consistency with the rest of the platform will get us at least as
much of a win for authors as would be gotten from uppercase
t
there are a number of ways to obtain the desired language style even with
the current spec, and that the DOM APIs don't generally use this calling
style anyway, I'm going to opt for not changing the spec at this stage.
I understand that this isn't what everyone wanted, and I und
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Sven Drieling wrote:
>
> is it allowed to use multiple closePath() calls after beginPath()?
Yes. Does the spec say anything to suggest otherwise? If so, I should fix
it. I couldn't find any text to that effect, though.
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n, drawing a partially
> loaded image may be a desirable behavior in some cases
I've updated the spec. Now, if an HTMLImageElement is passed whose
'complete' attribute is false, an INVALID_STATE_ERR exception must be
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I've created this test:
http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/html/canvas/034.html
...based on your test.
The fifth and final test:
http://abrahamjoffe.com.au/ben/opera_canvas_bugs/bug_data.htm
...seems to work everywhere now.
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d Safari have bugs on this.
Here are some more tests for you:
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On Fri, 11 May 2007, Thomas Broyer wrote:
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> 2007/5/11, Ian Hickson:
> >
> > Here are some more tests for you:
> >
> >http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/html/canvas/
>
> You're using instead of , is this a
> mistake or have I missed a change i
by not performing the requested paints synchronously, but
instead buffering them and determining which need anti-aliasing and which
do not. Thus we do not need to provide controls for this level of detail.
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dy do support, or seem to be close to
> supporting SVG.
Hopefully the explanation above highlights the reasons for both to exist.
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> without having to call save/restore would still be appreciated.
I've also added this to the v3 list. Can you expand on the use case for
this (e.g. sample plausibly production code that would do this)? It would
be interesting to have some fe
and the low level of demand, I'm going to
leave the save/restore functionality as-is for now. I've noted the
clipping restoration request in the spec as a possibly future canvas
extension.
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as putting the drawing code in a
> separate function and calling it again, with a different transform
> matrix set.
Per the above discussion, I haven't added anything to store paths yet.
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, Stefan Haustein wrote:
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> Anyway, now that you mention it, we really
asy
> to scan over DECA67 but deca67 might appear more like a variable name,
> distracting the developer, if only momentarily.
On Thu, 10 May 2007, mozer wrote:
>
> what about alert(xxx.fillStyle.toUppercase()) ?
Given the existence of this workaround, the value of consistency across
the platform, and the unlikelihood of changing the older parts of the
platform, I am going to leave it as lowercase.
It's really not a big deal what the case of the attribute's return value
is, in practice...
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Wow, you raised this problem multiple times. Anyway. I've fixed the spec
for drawImage() (as per my last two replies to your requests) and for
createPattern() (as per this request -- I missed that last time).
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feasibility of implementing the spec in Safari and Firefox is; if they can
implement it then the issue is moot.
I understand that there are use cases for both options.
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> set to transparent black, that is w*h*4 integers set to 0.
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ht and
> width you ask for with getImageData() don't necessarily reflect the
> height and width attributes of the ImageData object you get back.
Done.
> Maybe putImageData() should throw a TYPE_MISMATCH_ERR for non ImageData
> objects as first argument? Similar to drawIm
ns would be very valuable.
FWIW I have some tests here, too:
http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/html/canvas/
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Philip Taylor wrote:
>
> [...] in some of the cases I had to guess what would be an acceptable
> result when the spec doesn't specify it
Do you have any record of which cases the spec doesn't cover?
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> be the identity transform. It may then be adjusted using the three
> transformation methods" - but there are now five (not three)
> transformation methods (scale, rotate, translate, transform,
> setTransform).
Fixed.
> In Composit
> tests where the spec has changed, and I'll try then to identify any
> specific cases where I still think there are problems.
Great, thanks. I'm going through the e-mails you sent now.
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ically what you described as your second bulletpoint.
The only case this doesn't cover is the x0,y0,r0=x1,y1,r1 case, but
that doesn't really make any sense to me from a radial gradient point
of view. I've made it paint nothing. It could raise an exception, I
guess. Or paint a circ
y that it doesn't have obvious errors and omissions and
> ABC...)
Heh. :-)
> "Immediately before the 0 offset and immediately after the 1 offset,
> transparent black stops are be assumed." - syntax error, and should have
> "must".
That text is now g
; true if the width attribute is re-set to the same value it already has.
> I think it should be reset, but what's important is that we specify one
> way or the other.
Fixed.
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awing section should give the equation for computing
> the points on the curve
For arc() and arcTo() the definition seems complete, but I'm not familiar
enough with graphics theory to know what quadraticCurveTo() and
bezierCurveTo() need. Could you suggest some text?
> http://canvex.lazyilluminati.com/misc/dash.html
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e+")" at
> http://dave-webster.com/projects/index.php?page=incs/plasma_demo1
>
> so people do want to set colours from calculated values, and the
> CSS-colour interface just becomes an inconvenience. But it's only a
> small inconvenience and is easy to work around, s
ave to be quite careful to get it
> right if you're only ever testing in browsers with a 1:1 pixel mapping,
> though it's not that hard once you understand the issues and if you can
> find someone to test and report bugs.
The use cases it was intended for were the first and last. I'm not really
sure I understand the second use case.
> So, I was considering the function
>getImageData(sx, sy, sw, sh, hires)
I think that's an interesting idea, but I think what we should do is wait
for someone to implement a high res canvas, and if stuff breaks, then we
retroactively redefine getImageData to return low res data, and then add
the high-res flag.
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It makes sense -- it's the value of the 'color' property.
>
> The 'color' property of the element?
Right.
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with the color of the last stop." - I think both those sentences are
> wrong with the new definition - it's only when one circle is partly
> outside the other that the end circle looks like it's on top of the
> start circle, and the end circle is never really filled.
I
I guess I still don't really understand what the use case is. Why would
you need to know what the transformation matrix is? Why can't you just
keep track of what you've done?
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> think the specification should say what the expected behavior is for:
>
> 1) NANs
> 2) non-floating point values
> 3) missing parameters
> b) excess arguments
1, 3, and b now raise exceptions except if otherwise specified. I haven't
yet defined 2. I'm not sure what it should say.
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> of our operators; this is what our SVG impl does now for many of the SVG
> filters.
According to David, 'lighter' is just Porter-Duff's 'plus'. Is that not
right? For now I've left it, with that definition.
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> extra parameters must be allowed - but FF uses them for privileged
> content, and throws a security exception if normal content uses them).
I've changed the spec to say to ignore extra arguments and raise an
exception for too few arguments.
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> Quartz Debug.app to set the UI scale factor to something other than the
> default value of 1.0. (Apple does not currently ship any systems with
> the scale factor pre-set to anything but 1.0.)
Do you have any experience with getImageData() and putImageData() that
would help us here?
er" rather than "we'll add it
now", since there are workarounds and seemingly little demand.
Please let us know if you get any input on your blog post.
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#x27;ll
> need Opera to see it.
>
> A ten or twelve year old java applet doing something similar can be seen
> here: http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/java/tile/Trime.html In it
> the dashing is provided rather painfully through code.
Cool, thanks for the pointers.
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some of the new elements. class=note and class=example, for instance, can
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The rel attribute is about links. What I meant by that is that I think
> it would be useful to have a private domain for link types too. It would
> work a little differently than on class though, because the current spec
> disallows unregistered link types while it allows unregistered class
> names. My proposal would be to allow unregistered link types if they
> start with a dash "-".
What's the advantage of allowing this, given that authors can already use
class="" on links?
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27;t
> be out of sync with the state. Here's a simple example. The images would
> zoom out and fade when you click on them, and return to their normal
> state when clicked again.
>
>
> Bridge Gallery
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
idgets.
>
> Indexing actually isn't the world's best way to do that from point of
> view of efficient implementation, but it's the standard for this sort of
> thing in the DOM and class lists are unlikely to have a huge number of
> items.
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I'd rather we discussed use cases first, and then tried to work out what
solutions fit those use cases. The main reason the predefined classes were
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ge instead of on
the same page, and in practice even that's not likely, since (anecdotely)
most pages with simply alternate between different names.
What do you think?
> > No, the element sets the "document entity's base URI", and is
> > resolved relative
7;s where it should be
addressed. The uniqueID idea has a number of rather unique implementation
difficulties. The obvious implementations have security and privacy
implementations; the solutions to those tend to be expensive either in RAM
or CPU. I recommend bringing this to the attention of the
urrent page.
Could you elaborate on the use case? It would be helpful to work out
exactly what you're trying to do so that we can add the right feature to
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think. The question is, what exactly is the use case? Do we want to be
doing POSTs like this without the user knowing, and with JS required?
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On Fri, 18 May 2007, Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
> > >
> > > 1) Mozilla's DOMContentLoaded event is very handy. It fires when a
> > > node's content has been loaded and parsed (the DOM has been
> > > constructed). This is much better than the standard onload event as
> > > it doesn't wait for bina
of hardware support. Can you point to a
definition of 'darker' that is defined to the level of the Porter-Duff
operators and has native support in the primary graphics libraries?
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Hey, wouldn't that
be neat? You could have a llibrary that uses a canvas to do round-trip
UML to generate real code.
If someone actually does this, then we might have to reconsider.
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t to be visible on screen and not in print. (Its a bit tricky
> to add and remove class names, but still cleaner than using print
> events.)
It should now be easy, with our new 'classList' DOM attribute.
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igin than the URI, the
> dereference context must be an empty object.
> Which is the case with bookmarklets.
Actually the spec explicitly handles bookmarklets (they have the origin
of the Document to which they are applied -- actually the spec had an
error in this section until just now
MIME type TAG
finding all over the place.
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On Wed, 23 May 2007, Julian Reschke wrote:
> Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 May 2007, Julian Reschke wrote:
> > > So are you seriously suggesting to document behavior that is a against
> > > what the W3C TAG recommends?
> >
> > The WHATWG principles
"work" on making less content break it, and why I think that
it's a lost cause.
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;Normative" means "what UA implementors need to do". Your statements, at
least in the context of this work, iare self-contradictory. There's no
point us making the spec be something that we know browser vendors have to
ignore. We're not writing science fiction. We're writ
to requests for changes that take reality into account; their
spec may well end up irrelevant. There has been talk of making an "HTTP5"
spec that fixes problems like this.)
> Again, that doesn't mean that documenting what's needed today isn't a
> good thing. I ju
any browser on the Mac works the same way, although I haven't
> tested others.
I've defined window.print(), but I haven't yet defined what exactly
printing is. I'll have to define that in more detail as part of the
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at documenting what's needed today isn't
> > > a good thing. I just think it needs to be a different document.
> >
> > That "different document" is the HTML5 spec. You are welcome to work
> > on a document that describes what you would _like_ reality to have
> > been. But it isn't this spec.
>
> Ian, I understand that this is what the WHATWG'S HTML5 document does
> today; I just don't see how it can become the W3C's HTML5 spec while
> doing this.
I urge you to raise this with the HTML working group then. This thread is
currently in the WHATWG mailing list, which the HTML working group
chairmen don't follow.
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ything. My
understanding is that the chairmen are sorting out some sort of issue
tracking system before moving to the review process. I would be more than
happy to help with that in any way I can.
> On 2007-05-23 23:20:40 +0200 Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> replied to
> Julian:
>
an change the MIME type later after
> checking the content.
>
> However, this doesn't protect anyone using IE, because IE claims to know
> better and ignores Content-Type.
Note that the HTML5 spec requires browsers not to convert text/plain to a
more dangerous type (
de a more precise pointer,
> > > or follow up on that mailing list.
> >
> > Content-Location is the prime example I was thinking of, yes.
>
> The mailing list thread is at
> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2006OctDec
ng idea. Any browser vendors have any feedback on this? Any idea
if it would break anything? There are millions of elements with
type="" attributes out there, I don't know if any of them would cause
problems though.
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of one group with values but no names,
and the document is non-conforming.
Should that be shown in the cut down "author" version?
There are also a number of sentences that would need to be rewritten so
they still make sense with parts of the sentences
s/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C%21DOCTYPE%20html%3E%3Cp%20tesT%3Da%20TEST%3Da%20TeSt%3Da%20test%3Da%3E
Cheers,
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there are a number of interfaces
that are interchangeable with Function -- e.g. setTimeout() can take a
Function-like object.
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> script which checks the availability of each of the WA 1.0 DOM stuff I
> use.
You can check the feature string, that's why it's there. But it won't tell
you much. Browsers don't support HTML5 or not support HTML5. They support
bits of it. For exam
On Thu, 24 May 2007, Kristof Zelechovski wrote:
>
> Today's browsers should deny when queried about whether they support
> HTML5 in hasFeature.
Right. That's why the spec says "should" and not "must".
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interfaces without ambiguity about what
is a section. This is an area that has historically been very much
underdefined. We shall have to see, with implementation experience,
whether this is useful or not, and what UA implementors will do with it.
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Hallvord R M Steen wrote:
>
> there is some discussion surrounding cookies and security - see this
> bug: http://bugzilla.opendarwin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6797
>
> We are wondering if it would be any use to block document.cookie access
> across frames completely, or whether thi
s like it (this is a relatively important area of
security research), have performance characteristics that several browser
vendors have told me are unacceptable. I think we're stuck with the
current model, at least for the forseeable future.
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rom
> there it will get clear how much more detailed this should be done, if
> it all.
It's something that's on the cards. However, it's not a priority, at least
not for me. There are several "meta" things I'd like to do to the spec
(like have the s
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
>
> I propose to rename the "currentFocus" attribute to "activeElement" for
> historical reasons.[1] (Both Internet Explorer and Opera implement it in
> that way.)
Done.
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one.
I don't think it would be right to make it non-conforming for a browser to
show intermediate renderings. It would be a bad user experience, but,
well, so would many things; it doesn't mean we have to disallow them.
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