Re: [whatwg] IPv4 parsing

2015-06-24 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:46 AM, timeless timel...@gmail.com wrote: The trailing dot actually had meaning, but in my periodic testing most commerce websites didn't handle it well. It didn't help that browsers never favored adding it. On a somewhat (user) hostile network, http://discover.com/

Re: [whatwg] IPv4 parsing

2015-06-24 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: You swap between 0.0.0.66 and 66.0.0.0 in your OP.

Re: [whatwg] PSA: Chrome ignoring autocomplete=off for Autofill data

2014-11-13 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Roger Hågensen resca...@emsai.net wrote: This is getting more off topic but... have you ever typed wrong and now the autocomplete keeps listing your wrong spelling every time? And the only way to fix it is to nuke all your data, there is no way to edit/control

Re: [whatwg] New feature: better integration with browser find interface

2014-10-29 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: - telling UA that it should retry the search because content has been changed/rendered/modified The last is important because for web application which dynamically render the content, after search has already find

Re: [whatwg] Password managers ignoring autocomplete='off' harming security

2014-10-01 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Dan Poltawski d...@moodle.com wrote: The data in those fields are stored in plain text and shared between multiple teachers (multiple accounts), so when another teacher comes along - they could access it. There is a scale of severity of the data in there - from

Re: [whatwg] Password managers ignoring autocomplete='off' harming security

2014-10-01 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Gavin Sharp ga...@gavinsharp.com wrote: That browsers now automatically go fill in sensitive data (passwords) into these password fields is the issue, because people might not notice that happening and then submit the form. OK, but how does that cycle get

Re: [whatwg] Password managers ignoring autocomplete='off' harming security

2014-10-01 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Dan Poltawski d...@moodle.com wrote: Note a more traditional example of this which might affect more sites is something like a 'create new user' form where the password would be erroneously set to the password of the user who is creating the accounts. I know

Re: [whatwg] Adding features needed for WebGL to ImageBitmap

2013-07-10 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: (The other two options don't make much sense to me even for GL. If you don't want a color space, don't set one. If you don't want an alpha channel, don't set one. You control the image, after all.) I only have a small amount

Re: [whatwg] URL: relative file URL starting with c: quirk

2013-07-09 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: Given how unlikely it is that someone will have registered a scheme handler for the one-character drive letters, the Chrome/IE behavior seems

Re: [whatwg] URL: relative file URL starting with c: quirk

2013-07-08 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: Both Chromium and Internet Explorer treat a href=c:/test.../a in a file served from e.g. file:///C:/Users/Anne%20van%20Kesteren/Desktop/file.html in a special way. The resolved URL becomes file:///c:/test

Re: [whatwg] URL: file URL C| quirk

2013-07-08 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: Both Gecko and Chromium have a quirk with C| and similar patterns (drive letter followed by |). They treat it similarly to C:. However, Internet Explorer does not do this. Should we remove this quirk? I searched for

Re: [whatwg] Autocomplete and autofill features and feedback thereon

2012-12-11 Thread Peter Kasting
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Ilya Sherman isher...@chromium.org wrote: However, since I'm not aware of any browsers that currently support or are planning to add support for autofilling bank account numbers, and I'm only aware of a handful of websites that request them, I'm ok with

Re: [whatwg] Improving autocomplete

2012-11-21 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote: I feel like the real use case is when a user wants to make custom with a web site for the first time. It might be indeed harder to get a good transformation ration if the user has to write all those information. However,

Re: [whatwg] Improving autocomplete

2012-11-21 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Nils Dagsson Moskopp n...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: The proper solution is to let people vote with their wallet for devices that are perceived as making input easier – not to hand over power to site users making it easier to sniff data. This contains

Re: [whatwg] Should scrollbars move focus?

2012-11-02 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Etienne Levesque Guitard etienn...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't this be considered a browser-specific implementation bug/inconsistency then? If you're referring to IE's reported behavior, I would say that yes, it's not gospel regarding platform conventions, and

Re: [whatwg] Should scrollbars move focus?

2012-10-31 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: I think what's happening here in Gecko is that a click on a focusable element moves focus, and a click on an element's scrollbars counts as a

Re: [whatwg] communicating plugin state (primarily for click-to-play)

2012-06-12 Thread Peter Kasting
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Josh Aas josh...@gmail.com wrote: In order for click-to-play to be a viable feature we'll probably need to allow pages with complex plugin usage (i.e. scripting) to query for click-to-play state. The advice we (Chromium team) give developers is to check

Re: [whatwg] communicating plugin state (primarily for click-to-play)

2012-06-12 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.comwrote: The temporary implementation should probably be along the lines of reload the page, this time allowing all plugins. As noted already in this thread

Re: [whatwg] communicating plugin state (primarily for click-to-play)

2012-06-12 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukwrote: ** What about doing what popular plugin blockers do and offer the notification in the area the plugin was intended to be used? I was operating under the assumption the UA was already doing that. Hence why we're

Re: [whatwg] a download feedback

2012-03-03 Thread Peter Kasting
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.comwrote: In special, a href=http://www.google.com/**url?sa=tamp;rct=jamp;q=l%C3%** B6gbergamp;source=webamp;cd=**2amp;ved=0CCwQFjABamp;url=** http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thingvellir.**is%2Fsaga%2Flogberg%2Famp;ei=**

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for autocompletetype Attribute in HTML5 Specification

2012-01-26 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Ilya Sherman isher...@chromium.orgwrote: Extending the existing input 'type' attribute is an interesting idea, thanks for raising it. Looking through the existing input type values, it seems they are primarily chosen so as to enable user agents to render and

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-12-16 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, 17 May 2011, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: Then why add an API when we've already got (IMO superior) declarative markup? In the case of adding the API to the spec, because it's already implemented. As to why it was added to the browsers, no idea. Certainly there's no declarative

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-12-16 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: As for AddSearchProvider(), I know one reason it was added to Chrome was explicitly to expose the and make default functionality. I've been informed that the set default part is going away in Chrome 17+ anyway, so since

Re: [whatwg] Add naturalOrientation property to img

2011-08-26 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:08 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe someone should ask the browser vendors how many img formats they support and what the code footprint memory overhead would be for adding rotation support for those which are likely to need it at whatever confidence

Re: [whatwg] a rel=attachment

2011-07-15 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Tantek Çelik tan...@cs.stanford.eduwrote: * existing rel=enclosure spec - download the link when clicked/activated. I object to rel=enclosure purely on naming grounds. It is completely unintuitive. I don't find the fact that a spec exists for it a compelling

Re: [whatwg] a rel=attachment

2011-07-15 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Tantek Çelik tan...@cs.stanford.eduwrote: ** Specs *and* publishers/consumers/implementations of rel-enclosure exist (see aforementioned wiki page). The list on the wiki page, which I assume is non-exhaustive, is extraordinarily uncompelling. And the name

Re: [whatwg] Proposal to extend registerProtocolHandler

2011-07-05 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: Yes, I'm not saying in-page click is a solution. It works for popups, sort of, but I don't think it does for permission request notifications. To be truly honest, requiring a user gesture probably doesn't work for rPH()

Re: [whatwg] Proposal to extend registerProtocolHandler

2011-07-04 Thread Peter Kasting
In general, I echo Michael's comment that we follow the notifications model. On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Nils Dagsson Moskopp n...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: Right now sites are actually much _more_ annoying without this feature as they just blindly ask you to make them your

Re: [whatwg] Proposal to extend registerProtocolHandler

2011-07-03 Thread Peter Kasting
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:11 AM, timeless timel...@gmail.com wrote: It isn't ok to say You can't do X unless you make Y your default Z. I would prefer to solve this if it actually becomes a problem. Right now sites are actually much _more_ annoying without this feature as they just blindly

Re: [whatwg] Proposal to extend registerProtocolHandler

2011-07-01 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: Do any browser vendors agree with this or have objections? From my work on the Chrome UI side of this, I would very much like to see something like isRegistered(). This would allow sites to conditionalize requests for the

Re: [whatwg] Can we make checkboxes readonly?

2011-04-06 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: Checkboxes being readonly would be useful for the same reasons that text inputs being readonly is. As someone who spends a lot of time writing native UIs, I agree. It's useful to be able to dim out a checkbox that no

Re: [whatwg] Geolocation - Browser usability issues with regards to asking user permission

2011-04-06 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Andrew de Andrade and...@deandrade.com.brwrote: 2) The HTML5 specification defines how browsers should implement this consistently -- either a bar across the top OR modal dialog box, but not both. This isn't ideal either since there are arguments both for and

Re: [whatwg] Can we deprecate alert(), confirm(), prompt() ?

2011-03-01 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.orgwrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: FWIW, chromium is planning on experimenting with disallowing modal dialogs during the beforeunload/unload events.

Re: [whatwg] Can we deprecate alert(), confirm(), prompt() ?

2011-02-28 Thread Peter Kasting
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: 2. if we are still keeping them, can we disable them in onbeforeunload/onunload[/onhide] etc. Many sites add extra dialogs in those events to confuse users, so that they can trap users for little longer. That's not a bad

Re: [whatwg] SearchBox API

2010-10-14 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.comsimetrical%2b...@gmail.com wrote: If this is meant to be vendor-neutral, there needs to be some way for arbitrary search engines to advertise support for this feature to supporting browsers. That depends on whether the

Re: [whatwg] SearchBox API

2010-10-13 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: Would it not be best to implement this based in the browser search integration thing that allows people to include a search option to a site through the browser, like YouTube, php.net, etc. I can't

Re: [whatwg] SearchBox API

2010-10-13 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.comsimetrical%2b...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: I can't for the life of me figure out what you're saying. I assume he's saying that this should be integrated

Re: [whatwg] [URL] Starting work on a URL spec

2010-07-24 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.comwrote: Is that URLs as values of attributes in HTML or is that URLs as pasted into the address bar? I believe their processing differs... I strongly suggest ignoring browser address bars. As the author of most of the

Re: [whatwg] Article: Growing pains afflict HTML5 standardization

2010-07-10 Thread Peter Kasting
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Garrett Smith dhtmlkitc...@gmail.comwrote: The few headings that you have are improperly capitalized. I think you are mistakenly assuming that the authors of email and article are the same person. PK

Re: [whatwg] Sortable Tables

2010-07-01 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Christoph Päper christoph.pae...@crissov.de wrote: I have not found much on sortable tables on whatwg.org, especially when excluding ‘datagrid’. Why are you excluding datagrid, when that's the precise element aimed at addressing your issue? PK

Re: [whatwg] Form validation against invisible controls

2010-06-13 Thread Peter Kasting
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:16 PM, TAMURA, Kent tk...@chromium.org wrote: There are some objections against omitting invisible controls from form validation. However, it is a real issue with existing sites and users can't submit such forms at all though they can submit it with non-HTML5

Re: [whatwg] Form validation against invisible controls

2010-06-03 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.comsimetrical%2b...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:11 PM, TAMURA, Kent tk...@chromium.org wrote: Oh, I'm sorry. I have found a sentence about visibility in the draft.

Re: [whatwg] HTML Cookie API

2010-02-24 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Garrett Smith dhtmlkitc...@gmail.comwrote: Where is the argument for making the API async? Please see the discussion earlier in this thread. Can you be more specific? I see: | I really think the API should be asynchronous, as to avoid the mess | that

Re: [whatwg] validationMessage

2010-02-11 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: The relevant use cases that led to this design are: 1. Getting validation of forms without scripting, with the UA doing all the UI work. 2. Getting validation of forms with the UI designed by the author, but with the

Re: [whatwg] validationMessage

2010-02-11 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Would be great if you could provide a reason why you feel this way. Did the previous messages in the thread not say enough reasons? Ian's response was basically then how would we solve use cases 1 and 2? which was why I

Re: [whatwg] validationMessage

2009-11-20 Thread Peter Kasting
2009/11/19 Scott González scott.gonza...@gmail.com However, following that same logic wouldn't you come to the conclusion that date inputs should not display calendars because they need to be localized? * I am confused, what needs to be localized about the calendar? Are you referring to

Re: [whatwg] validationMessage

2009-11-19 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Michelangelo De Simone micde...@gmail.com wrote: What is the rationale about this choice? A simpler behavior with a predetermined list of return values (eg: i.validationMessage == VALUEMISSING) could be much more efficient for authors and implementors to

Re: [whatwg] Request to reconsider input minlength=

2009-10-29 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Ryan Cannon r...@ryancannon.com wrote: In order to correctly report the error to the user, I would have to do a second check of the value to figure out the problem. The only way to determine that the error was caused by too few characters as opposed to invalid

Re: [whatwg] Web Storage: apparent contradiction in spec

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: You could just *not* specify that LocalStorage is worthless for anything but a cache. This seems like a severe overstatement given the current spec. It's not worthless. It won't be guaranteed to be thrown away all

Re: [whatwg] Web Storage: apparent contradiction in spec

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: And more-than-a-cache-Storage can be explicitly turned off or have its quota dropped to zero. If that's important, the browsers will make it easy. And more importantly, they'll make it *consistent* (within the

Re: [whatwg] Web Storage: apparent contradiction in spec

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: Again, this is precisely what we as UA authors can do now, with the current spec. I'm not sure what you're arguing. Our job is to make sure users whose philosophy is like Ian's are as well-served as users whose

Re: [whatwg] Web Storage: apparent contradiction in spec

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: 10 hours ago, Hixie said: The fact that local storage can be used for cookie resurrection means we have to make sure that clearing one clears the other. Anything else would be a huge privacy issue (just as Flash has

Re: [whatwg] Web Storage: apparent contradiction in spec

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: There's more wording in a later section on cookie resurrection which gives more background. Does that satisfy your request? I think that later section actually muddies the waters. Something like this would be more clear: If

Re: [whatwg] Web Storage: apparent contradiction in spec

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Peter Kasting wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: There's more wording in a later section on cookie resurrection which gives more background. Does that satisfy your

Re: [whatwg] Web Storage: apparent contradiction in spec

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Jens Alfke s...@google.com wrote: On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Peter Kasting wrote: If you combine that statement with section 6.1's User agents should present the persistent storage feature to the user in a way that does not distinguish them from HTTP

Re: [whatwg] Web Storage: apparent contradiction in spec

2009-08-31 Thread Peter Kasting
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Jeremy Orlow jor...@chromium.org wrote: Yes, this is pretty disconcerting since there's been OVERWHELMING support for LocalStorage being treated as user-critical on this thread. The spec says basically what you want except that it uses should. It seems like

Re: [whatwg] Web Storage: apparent contradiction in spec

2009-08-31 Thread Peter Kasting
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Jens Alfke s...@google.com wrote: On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Peter Kasting wrote: Again, the spec now says in 4.3: User agents should expire data from the local storage areas only for security reasons or when requested to do so by the user. The only

Re: [whatwg] Web Storage: apparent contradiction in spec

2009-08-26 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Linus Upson li...@google.com wrote: The analogy was made comparing a user agent that purges local storage to an OS throwing out files without explicit user action. This is misleading since most files arrive on your computer's disk via explicit user action. You

Re: [whatwg] Web Storage: apparent contradiction in spec

2009-08-26 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Michael Nordman micha...@google.comwrote: A mandate from on high that says 'shall store forever and ever' will be promptly ignored because its impossible to make that guarantee. That's not the proposed mandate. The proposed mandate is thou shalt not discard

Re: [whatwg] Web Storage: apparent contradiction in spec

2009-08-26 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, cookies work the same way as the proposed local storage policy: once a cookie is created, the browser won't delete it when space becomes a problem. The site controls the expiration date of the cookie, and it can

Re: [whatwg] Web Storage: apparent contradiction in spec

2009-08-26 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Michael Nordman micha...@google.comwrote: What seems inevitable are vista-like prompts to allow something (or prods to delete something) seemingly unrelated to a user's interaction with a site... please, oh please, lets avoid making that part of the web

Re: [whatwg] Web Storage: apparent contradiction in spec

2009-08-26 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Michael Nordman micha...@google.comwrote: In addition to the key/value pair storage apis, i think we'd need to make this distinction for databases and appcaches too. This distinction may be better handled in a way not tied to a particular flavor on storage. Or

Re: [whatwg] Text areas with pattern attributes?

2009-08-25 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.comwrote: Also, maxlength cannot be enforced as client-side validation requirement due to compatibility issues. I don't grasp what you're saying here. Are you saying that maxlength or ValidityState.tooLong() cannot be

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 clarifications on ValidityState?

2009-08-25 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Alex Vincent ajvinc...@gmail.com wrote: The validationMessage attribute must return the empty string if the element is not a candidate for constraint validation or if it is one but it satisfies its constraints; otherwise, it must return a suitably localized

Re: [whatwg] formNoValidate/novalidate/willValidate

2009-08-25 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Dean Edwards dean.edwa...@gmail.comwrote: Looking through the spec I see the following DOM properties: * formNoValidate * novalidate * willValidate novalidate sticks out like a sore thumb. Can we change it to noValidate. It's only mentioned in the IDL so

Re: [whatwg] Text areas with pattern attributes?

2009-08-24 Thread Peter Kasting
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Chris Taylor chris.tay...@figureout.comwrote: It's been mentioned before about limiting the length of text permissible in a textarea element, specifically for forums. textarea is defined to support maxlength already (

Re: [whatwg] type=email validation is too loose for practical applications

2009-08-24 Thread Peter Kasting
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:19 PM, TAMURA, Kent tk...@chromium.org wrote: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#e-mail-state A valid e-mail address is a string that matches the production dot-atom-text @ dot-atom-text where dot-atom-text is defined in RFC 5322 section 3.2.3.

Re: [whatwg] Removing versioning from HTML

2009-08-14 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:35 PM, João Eiras jo...@opera.com wrote: From an implementor's point of view it is much harder to implement and keep up with a mutating specification. During implementation a stable spec is preferred. As a browser implementer, I have certainly not found the dynamic

Re: [whatwg] Installed Apps

2009-07-28 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Michael Davidson m...@google.com wrote: These are true, but leave out the part that rewriting large apps to the worker API is nontrivial. A major advantage of a hidden page (as you mention below) is that the programming model is well known, and easy for web

Re: [whatwg] Installed Apps

2009-07-28 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Michael Davidson m...@google.com wrote: Personally, I'd rather have my CPU and RAM used to send spam than to have pictures of me in my underwear publicly placed on Facebook. The rest of the world would rather not receive that spam, and would probably rather we

Re: [whatwg] Installed Apps

2009-07-28 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Michael Davidson m...@google.com wrote: I agree 100%. I'm only trying to argue that from a user perspective, access that we currently have acceptable UI for, e.g. camera hardware, is about as scary as agreeing to let a web app run in the background. The whole

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5 (revised)

2009-07-27 Thread Peter Kasting
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM, John Foliot jfol...@stanford.edu wrote: That said, the barrier to equal entry remains high: http://burningbird.net/node/28 I don't understand. That page says We're told that to propose changes to the document for consideration, we need to ... and then a long

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5 (revised)

2009-07-26 Thread Peter Kasting
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Manu Sporny mspo...@digitalbazaar.comwrote: I'm not proposing that we allow people to directly stomp all over Ian's specification - that wouldn't help anything. I am also not suggesting that Ian should change how he authors his HTML5 specification. What I'm

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-23 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Manu Sporny mspo...@digitalbazaar.comwrote: contribute ideas: great! scrutinize them: wonderful! form consensus: fail (but that's what the W3C is for, right?) produce: fail (unless we don't want to scale the community) Ian is really the only one that is

[whatwg] input type=tel validation, and a small set of typos

2009-07-20 Thread Peter Kasting
Two unrelated comments. First, it seems a bit odd to me that input type=email and input type=url are validated (for typeMismatch problems) but input type=tel isn't. I know it's prohibitively difficult to perfectly validate telephone number formats given the variety around the world, but it's also

Re: [whatwg] input type=tel validation, and a small set of typos

2009-07-20 Thread Peter Kasting
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Nils Dagsson Moskopp nils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: What's with alphanumeric notation ? I think of 555-WHATWG as a possibly valid telephone number. It might be good to have an RFC on that. Or maybe ITU has publicly available documents on

Re: [whatwg] Should target '_search' be taken as part of HTML 5 spec?

2009-07-14 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Honza Bambas hon...@allpeers.com wrote: Target '_search' makes a link open in a sidebar (Opera) or sidebar-like window (IE). For some offline web apps would be cool to open sidebar by just one click. In other browsers (Firefox) web content could be open in a

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for video and audio

2009-07-14 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Mike Shaver mike.sha...@gmail.com wrote: which led me to believe that YouTube's opinion was part of the relevant-vendor positions which led to the choice to not specify a codec. If it's not relevant, then its inclusion was certainly quite confusing I am

Re: [whatwg] Serving up Theora video in the real world

2009-07-13 Thread Peter Kasting
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.comwrote: Also, I've reported bugs on Safari and Chrome (I think, neither give confirmation that the report has been sent successfully!) That's odd. Both bugs.webkit.org and crbug.com tell me when I've filed a bug, and give me

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-01 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:39:05 +0200, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: There is no other reason to put a codec in the spec -- the primary reason to spec a behavior (to document vendor consensus) does not apply

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-01 Thread Peter Kasting
I don't believe Chris was speaking in any official capacity for YT or Google any more than I am. I think it is inappropriate to conflate his opinion of the matter with Google's. I have not seen _any_ official statement from Google regarding codec quality. As an aside, I think taking the

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-06-30 Thread Peter Kasting
sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote: 2009/6/30 Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com On Jun 30, 2009 2:17 AM, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote: 2009/6/30 Silvia Pfeiffe... As a contributor to multiple browsers, I think it's important to note the distinctions between cases like Acid3 (where IIRC all

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 5:24 PM, King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: The HTML 5 specification should definitely support a codec that fulfills the following legal criteria: At the end of the day, the spec does not mandate vendor behavior; rather vendor consensus informs the spec. For

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-07 Thread Peter Kasting
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Robert Sayre say...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote about the practice of shipping encumbered software and calling it open. Where is the language where Google is calling H.264 open? The closest I know of is Google Chrome is made possible by the Chromium open source

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-07 Thread Peter Kasting
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think the particular parallel you've drawn there is the appropriate one. And I think you failed to answer the line in my email that asked what the point of this tangent is. PK

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread Peter Kasting
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:13 PM, King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: Google, Apple, and the other naysayers for Ogg video I think you are officially Wasting Our Time when you say something like Google... and the other naysayers about a company that is _shipping Ogg audio and video support

Re: [whatwg] Suitable video codec

2009-05-07 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:51 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The Thusnelda coder is outdoing H.,264 in current tests: Be careful how glowing you make this sound -- this is on a particular objective test (not subjective, and thus perversely less accurate in reflecting how good do

Re: [whatwg] cross-domain scrollIntoView on frames and iframes

2009-04-04 Thread Peter Kasting
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 12:56 PM, timeless timel...@gmail.com wrote: sounds like a security nightmare. Can you be less vague? We've had a number of security people vet this already, so specific complaints would be very helpful. PK

Re: [whatwg] Input type for phone numbers

2009-03-31 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: I agree that entering a week is pretty rare, though. ;) As someone working on supporting new input types in WebKit: Supporting any one form of date is nontrivial, but supporting the rest after you support the first _is_

Re: [whatwg] Input type for phone numbers

2009-03-31 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: It depends on the quality of implementation you want to deliver. With a nice visual date picker, the UI for picking a month or a week is probably quite different from the UI for picking a day, which in turn would be

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-01-28 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Křištof Želechovski k...@mimuw.edu.plwrote: *No, the _original_ use was to turn it on on fields where it would otherwise have been on. * I do not understand. If spell checking would be on, why turn it on explicitly? I mistyped. The last word should

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-01-28 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Křištof Želechovski k...@mimuw.edu.plwrote: Spelling quizzes are an artificial example; they are not interesting once spell checking is commonly available because the user can cheat by temporarily using another control that is being checked. They can cheat

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-01-27 Thread Peter Kasting
2009/1/27 Křištof Želechovski k...@mimuw.edu.pl The original use of the spellcheck attribute was to switch spell checking off No, the _original_ use was to turn it on on fields where it would otherwise have been on. (I think we both believe it should generally be on). Using a private

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-01-26 Thread Peter Kasting
2009/1/26 Křištof Želechovski k...@mimuw.edu.pl Q: Should the localization influence the spell checking mechanism? A: Definitely, since the user is likely to write most messages in his preferred UI language. Which is why this is a perfectly valid input for the heuristic the UA uses to

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-01-25 Thread Peter Kasting
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Křištof Želechovski kri...@wp.pl wrote: Gmail can use 1. the localisation preferences chosen by the user in GMail configuration, 2. the localisation preferences chosen by the user in the browser configuration to determine the what language the user is likely

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-01-21 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Mikko Rantalainen mikko.rantalai...@peda.net wrote: If the browser does not know the language of the content, how on earth is it supposed to *correctly* spellcheck it? As others have noted, the user's preferences are generally a better indicator of how

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-01-21 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Calogero Alex Baldacchino alex.baldacch...@email.it wrote: Why not to let the user choose the language, as it happens in word processors? A UA can't choose accurately whether, for instance, color is a correct American English, a wrong British English, or even

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-01-20 Thread Peter Kasting
2009/1/20 Mikko Rantalainen mikko.rantalai...@peda.net I agree. I think that specifying the spellcheck attribute would be a mistake. It allows only forcing the automatic spell checking on or off but it doesn't help a bit to allow mixing different languages on a single page. I don't see how

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-01-19 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:38 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: The same engineers have since implemented this feature in Chrome also, Incorrect. One engineer implemented a crude hack in a small portion of the Chromium glue code that implements a fraction of the spec -- enough to make Gmail

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-01-19 Thread Peter Kasting
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.orgwrote: Actually I was just poking around and noticed that we don't actually support variation of spellcheck values within different parts of an editable element. So I won't make any claims about how hard that is to support.

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