Re: [whatwg] Dates and coordinates in HTML5

2009-02-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message 49a5d6e8.5070...@lachy.id.au, Lachlan Hunt lachlan.h...@lachy.id.au writes [Resending this to the list now that the problem that prevented it from accepting any mail has been fixed.] [Likewise] Andy Mabbett wrote: Use-cases for machine-readable date mark-up are many: as

Re: [whatwg] Dates and coordinates in HTML5

2009-02-28 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: Do we really have to illustrate use cases in action, before we can develop the technology which allows them to be demonstrated exists? Though I admit it seems ass-backwards until you get it, the answer is yes, you

Re: [whatwg] Dates and coordinates in HTML5

2009-02-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message 7c2a12e20902241613v7ba27c60q433fd84a74279...@mail.gmail.com, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.com writes the emphasis on clear and immediate use-cases. I didn't notice you mentioning any of those in your posts. What are some examples of actual, concrete applications with

Re: [whatwg] Dates and coordinates in HTML5

2009-02-25 Thread Lachlan Hunt
[Resending this to the list now that the problem that prevented it from accepting any mail has been fixed.] Andy Mabbett wrote: Use-cases for machine-readable date mark-up are many: as well as the aforesaid calendar interactions, they can be used for sorting; for

Re: [whatwg] Dates and coordinates in HTML5

2009-02-24 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Andy Mabbett wrote: It seems to me that there are several outstanding, and overlapping, issues for time in HTML5, which include use-cases, imprecise dates, Gregorian vs. non-Gregorian dates and BCE (aka “BC“) dates. The time element was primarily designed to address use cases involving

Re: [whatwg] Dates and coordinates in HTML5

2009-02-24 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message 49a3e9b9.4090...@lachy.id.au, Lachlan Hunt lachlan.h...@lachy.id.au writes Andy Mabbett wrote: It seems to me that there are several outstanding, and overlapping, issues for time in HTML5, which include use-cases, imprecise dates, Gregorian vs. non-Gregorian dates and BCE (aka “BC“)

Re: [whatwg] Dates and coordinates in HTML5

2009-02-24 Thread WeBMartians
and non-Gregorian calendars. ...but I do see the no BCE compromise as a workable one. -Original Message- From: whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org [mailto:whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Andy Mabbett Sent: Tuesday, 2009 February 24 13:42 To: WHATWG List Subject: Re: [whatwg] Dates

Re: [whatwg] Dates and coordinates in HTML5

2009-02-24 Thread David Singer
At 13:59 -0500 24/02/09, WeBMartians wrote: It's back! It won't die! :-) Although it can be argued that a standard should not consider the work required for implementation, many of the trade-offs in reference to times and dates do indeed take the present state of code into consideration.

Re: [whatwg] Dates and coordinates in HTML5

2009-02-24 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message 619d9f095a7941eebcbb05fd4b03f...@pirate, WeBMartians webmarti...@verizon.net writes Although it can be argued that a standard should not consider the work required for implementation, many of the trade-offs in reference to times and dates do indeed take the present state of code

Re: [whatwg] Dates and coordinates in HTML5

2009-02-24 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: What's the expected end-of-life date for HTML5? Do we really want to hamstring ourselves 'til then, by considering only current, as-of-2009, capabilities? HTML5 is not supposed to have an end-of-life. It's meant to

Re: [whatwg] Dates and coordinates in HTML5

2009-02-24 Thread WeBMartians
that are represented by strings of more than four characters: years preceding 999 BCE (or 1000 BCE?) or subsequent to CE. -Original Message- From: David Singer [mailto:sin...@apple.com] Sent: Tuesday, 2009 February 24 15:12 To: WeBMartians; 'Andy Mabbett'; 'WHATWG List' Subject: Re: [whatwg] Dates

[whatwg] Dates and coordinates in HTML5

2009-02-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
This is a copy of my blog post: http://pigsonthewing.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/dates-and-coordinates-in-html5/ (aka http://is.gd/kB3k ) please feel free to comment here, or there. I'm grateful to Bruce Lawson of Opera for alerting me to discussion of the time element on this mailing list