Re: [whatwg] isBrowserOnline vs navigator.onLine

2005-10-10 Thread Ian Hickson
? It certainly works in recent trunk builds. You can go offline using File | Work Offline. Thanks, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Re: Web Forms 2.0

2005-10-07 Thread Ian Hickson
/label Your original example fails if the person's first name is really First Name, and doesn't semantically indicate that the text field is expecting a first name (it says its default value is First Name, which is very different). HTH, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Pattern Hint

2005-10-07 Thread Ian Hickson
your flight only. is perfect conformant and good. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Disclosure: Change of employer

2005-10-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Rimantas Liubertas wrote: Congrats, and slightly off-topic - can you, please, push google to make at least their first page valid? Thanks. I can't comment on Google's standards compliance, but hopefully I will be able to help. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

[whatwg] Disclosure: Change of employer

2005-10-03 Thread Ian Hickson
will reply to the best of my ability. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] some feedback on Web Apps 1.0 client-side storage

2005-09-30 Thread Ian Hickson
of the user deleting data and running scripts accessing that data would be something that could be safely left undefined, since it doesn't directly impact interoperability. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] getElementsBySelector etc

2005-09-30 Thread Ian Hickson
that these would be useful. The former is even mentioned in the WA1 draft at the moment. However, it seems to me that this would be more in the realm of the CSSWG rather than the WHATWG. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

[whatwg] Re: http://dubinko.info/blog/2005-06/openlettertowhatwg

2005-09-30 Thread Ian Hickson
Micah, You wrote (back in June): http://dubinko.info/blog/2005-06/openlettertowhatwg Open Letter to WHATWG You forgot to actually post the letter to us! :-) Concrete suggestion: Make uniting the community a specific written objective of the overall WHATWG work. I don't know how that

Re: [whatwg] some feedback on Web Apps 1.0 client-side storage

2005-09-30 Thread Ian Hickson
to that effect. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] getElementsBySelector etc

2005-09-30 Thread Ian Hickson
of the spec (despite the URI, which is that way for historical reasons) is just W3C Selectors, not W3C CSS Selectors. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take

Re: [whatwg] getElementsBySelector etc

2005-09-30 Thread Ian Hickson
are particularly high-profile, though. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] W3C's Rich Web Client Activity and Web Application W/G

2005-09-27 Thread Ian Hickson
not know that the W3C had publicly announced it and could not find any mention of it on their site.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Unsafe SGML minimizations

2005-09-08 Thread Ian Hickson
be equivalent to something like foo /bar/= (or something similar). * attribute name omission (except for the well-known boolean attributes) Again, we have to define error handling. foo bar baz will probably just be equivalent to foo bar= baz=. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Unsafe SGML minimizations

2005-09-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Sep 8, 2005, at 17:26, Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Henri Sivonen wrote: I think the text/html flavor of HTML5 should not allow the following SGML minimization features (which are theoretically allowed in HTML 4), because each

Re: [whatwg] some feedback on Web Apps 1.0 client-side storage

2005-09-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Erik Arvidsson wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Robert O'Callahan wrote: 3.4.2 DOM Node objects browser DOM nodes often have state that isn't apparent in the DOM --- e.g., the contents of a canvas, or the state of form controls. Please clarify

Re: [whatwg] some feedback on Web Apps 1.0 client-side storage

2005-09-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Robert O'Callahan wrote: On 08/09/05, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Robert O'Callahan wrote: 3.4.2 DOM Node objects browser DOM nodes often have state that isn't apparent in the DOM --- e.g., the contents of a canvas, or the state

Re: [whatwg] Some likeness of DOM Session scope

2005-09-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Kornel Lesinski wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:07:45 +0100, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have any concrete proposals? :-) Persistent associative array that stores anything*, just like session object in PHP and ASP. This might be called

Re: [whatwg] Some likeness of DOM Session scope

2005-09-07 Thread Ian Hickson
, and it wont get fixed before monday. In this case it would be very nice if the client side script could save data in a persistent local store - only accesible to this page, of course. Exactly. This should now be possible with globalStorage[]. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Some likeness of DOM Session scope

2005-09-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Robert Sayre wrote: Olav Junker Kjær wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Anyone have any concrete proposals? :-) http://www.crockford.com/JSON/index.html ? It turns out that the way I ended up defining this, I didn't need to describe the back-end serialisation format

Re: [whatwg] some feedback on Web Apps 1.0 client-side storage

2005-09-07 Thread Ian Hickson
added is enough, though. Thanks a ton for your help. Please let me know if you disagreed with anything here, in particular about the serialising objects vs only serialising DOM nodes thing. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U

Re: [whatwg] Web Forms 2.0 - Suggestion/Request

2005-09-01 Thread Ian Hickson
this. It should just be automatic. Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Pattern Hint

2005-08-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Dean Edwards wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Dean Edwards wrote: Actually, the way the spec is written now, the UA _can_ assume that the title attribute is going to help. In fact it is encouraged. Assume that your proposal (hint) is spelt title

Re: [whatwg] What exactly is contentEditable for?

2005-08-26 Thread Ian Hickson
propose, there is no way to submit HTML in the DOM without scripting. That is certainly true, yes. I'm not sure why this is a problem, though. The scripting is simple, and would only be an insignificannt part of the actual scripting involved in writing an editing UI using contentEditable. -- Ian

Re: [whatwg] What exactly is contentEditable for?

2005-08-25 Thread Ian Hickson
no difference_, from an authoring or DOM perspective, between a text/plain textarea and a text/html textarea. The difference is _only_ from a UA and user point of view, and only in terms of UI. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U

Re: [whatwg] What exactly is contentEditable for?

2005-08-24 Thread Ian Hickson
not behavioural, that would be something like when you click put the cursor here, when you drag start drag and drop, etc. contentEditable doesn't say anything about the behaviour, merely that the element is editable. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] What exactly is contentEditable for?

2005-08-24 Thread Ian Hickson
in a serialised format. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] What exactly is contentEditable for?

2005-08-24 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Hallvord Reiar Michaelsen Steen wrote: On 24 Aug 2005 at 0:17, Ian Hickson wrote: Could we extend contentEditable in a way that would let the UA offer a non-scripting UI for saving the edited page? For example using the form attribute from WF2? What's wrong

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] textInput event?

2005-08-24 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: It's similar, yes. Where's the ambiguity? UAs might question which of the two should be dispatched first but other than that there is a duplication of events. UAs have to support both of them eventually. (Unless textInput

Re: [whatwg] textarea accept attribute -- solution to rich text editing in WF2?

2005-08-24 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Dimitri Glazkov wrote: On 8/23/05, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but note that the UA is not required to perform any validating or anything. In practice I doubt we'll ever see useful implementations (whereas we already have useful, and used, implementations

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Readonly and default pseudoclass matching

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Hickson
be edited. (Indeed in XForms enabled is spelt relevant, IIRC.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Pattern Hint

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Hickson
attribute. See: http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#patternTitle Authors can also include the help information inline, next to the pattern. I'm wary of adding additional help mechanisms. Authors haven't exactly gone out of their way to use the existing mechanisms. -- Ian Hickson

Re: [whatwg] Pattern Hint

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Hickson
of usability. We have provided a mechanism for entering complex patterns, we should also provide a mechanism for helping end-users enter these patterns. I agree. But I don't see why the existing mechanisms aren't enough. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] What exactly is contentEditable for?

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Hickson
text editing, such as with blog editing software or forum software. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] What exactly is contentEditable for?

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Hickson
and without having to switch in a textarea or anything like that. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] What exactly is contentEditable for?

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Hallvord Reiar Michaelsen Steen wrote: Could we extend contentEditable in a way that would let the UA offer a non-scripting UI for saving the edited page? For example using the form attribute from WF2? What's wrong with File Save ? -- Ian Hickson U

Re: [whatwg] What exactly is contentEditable for?

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Hickson
contentEditable is more of a compromise between the original intent of the Web and the don't let them modify it! attitude that has grown since. (I'll look into what you suggested about new markup for saving, etc.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] removing attributes

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Hickson
script, it could be removed again. Yes, there are a number of DOM attributes that map to content attributes. This is already the case in DOM2 HTML. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] Section 6.2, is xmlns an attribute

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Hickson
elements be processed if they have non-namespaces attributes specified by the way? That seems to be undefined. All other elements in the file must be ignored. (I admit that I have not read it carefully.) (No worries, I didn't read your e-mail very carefully either!) -- Ian Hickson

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] textInput event?

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Why does Web Forms 2 not deal with the textInput event from DOM Level 3 Events? http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/events.html#event-textInput Is there something about DOM 3 Events' description that is ambiguous in terms of WF2? -- Ian

Re: [whatwg] Re: 1 webpage != 1 document

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Jep Castelein wrote: Am I right in saying that section and especially article could promote the use of multiple documents in 1 webpage? That depends on what you mean by document. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] What exactly is contentEditable for?

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Hickson
executing the code. True. But it is what IE does. Our hands are pretty much tied on this. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] What exactly is contentEditable for?

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Dimitri Glazkov wrote: On 8/23/05, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Hallvord Reiar Michaelsen Steen wrote: Could we extend contentEditable in a way that would let the UA offer a non-scripting UI for saving the edited page? For example

Re: [whatwg] textarea accept attribute -- solution to rich text editing in WF2?

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Hickson
already have useful, and used, implementations of the contentEditable feature). -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Readonly and default pseudoclass matching

2005-07-31 Thread Ian Hickson
% of browser users don't even have a browser that can edit otherwise static content Just visit javascript:document.designMode=true to make any document editable in IE. (Untested, I might have the wrong syntax.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

[whatwg] Re: rel=script

2005-07-31 Thread Ian Hickson
src=... -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

[whatwg] Re: rel=script

2005-07-31 Thread Ian Hickson
of the scheme used, no? It's just metadata. I don't know if there's a real advantage though. I'm reluctant to add stuff to the spec that doesn't have a clear advantage. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] text/html conformance checkers and doctype

2005-07-28 Thread Ian Hickson
requirements. For implementations there are no requirements here. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] disabled default submit button

2005-07-28 Thread Ian Hickson
, not at that level. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Readonly and default pseudoclass matching

2005-07-28 Thread Ian Hickson
. Thanks for your feedback! -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

[whatwg] Re: [WF2] Readonly and default pseudoclass matching

2005-07-28 Thread Ian Hickson
match other things as well, per CSS3 UI). Fixed. Thanks, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] disabled default submit button

2005-07-28 Thread Ian Hickson
. In WF3 we'll probably have a way of specifying what the default button is explicitly. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] disabled default submit button

2005-07-28 Thread Ian Hickson
appropriate for the platform. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] disabled default submit button

2005-07-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Kornel Lesinski wrote: I find Opera's solution very useful and I think it would be shame if Opera was made conformant with less sophisticated specification of default submit button in WF2. Opera's behaviour is now allowed by the spec. -- Ian Hickson U

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] disabled attribute (option, optgroup elements)

2005-07-28 Thread Ian Hickson
attribute applies to all form controls except the output element, and also to the fieldset element. In HTML 4 it also applied to the OPTION and OPTGROUP elements. Oops, this was written back when I was considering option and optgroup to be form controls. Fixed. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] text/html conformance checkers and doctype

2005-07-28 Thread Ian Hickson
: !doctype html foo bar ...? :-) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Readonly and default pseudoclass matching

2005-07-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Boris Zbarsky wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Further, it would make sense to me if a disabled form control matched :readonly (since it _is_ readonly; it doesn't so much matter how it got there, imo). So for example a disabled radio button would match readonly

Re: [whatwg] Input type=date UI discussion

2005-07-28 Thread Ian Hickson
: http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#enter-submit Nope, this only talks about TEXT controls, it doesn't mention date controls, the phrase submitting a form implicitly isn't defined other than by the one example. Changed. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Readonly and default pseudoclass matching

2005-07-28 Thread Ian Hickson
, properties sheets in Windows have that kind of UI, for instance. But even if that was not the case, what is the use case for _not_ doing this? It seems like it would be better to make this useful rather than not useful. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Readonly and default pseudoclass matching

2005-07-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Boris Zbarsky wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Well, properties sheets in Windows have that kind of UI, for instance. But even if that was not the case, what is the use case for _not_ doing this? The use case is being able to style things based on whether the user can

Re: [whatwg] Re: several messages about Web Forms 2

2005-07-27 Thread Ian Hickson
attribute of those elements. (And that normative and fancy.) HTML4 is vague as usual but I don't think anyone is in any doubt as to what the actual values of a select element are, are they? Let's leave the really pedantic changes for WA1. :-) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] option and optgroup elements that are not inside select elements

2005-07-27 Thread Ian Hickson
. Are these to be considered bugs? Yes. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] text/html conformance checkers and doctype

2005-07-27 Thread Ian Hickson
be zero or more white space characters before '', right? Not at the moment, no. Same answer as above. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

[whatwg] Re: several messages about Web Forms 2

2005-07-21 Thread Ian Hickson
to Bjoern for some pointers). -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] WA1: meta attribute requirements

2005-07-20 Thread Ian Hickson
structure. Markup like: pempFoo/p/em/p ...arguably causes harm because its meaning is not defined, and so UAs would be at a loss as to how to process it. But a blank meta/ is not harmful, it is just meaningless. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] seeding SELECT with ambiguous XML

2005-07-20 Thread Ian Hickson
Should it say PASS? Is it undefined? Is there a specification which defines this? It should do exactly the same as if that markup was included directly inside an XHTML file; the data= attribute is not relevant here. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL

Re: [whatwg] [html5] window.print() undefined

2005-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
functionality needed for getting this done. I tend to think no. Why? Because just CSS (in its current state) is not enough to provide all functionality associated with rendering of the page. How is print rendering different? What functionality are you lacking? (Both in screen and print.) -- Ian

Re: [whatwg] [html5] attribute value whitespace handling

2005-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
with WF2. I agree that these things should be defined and I'll make sure that they are in WA1. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

[whatwg] Re: [wf2] repetition model addition part

2005-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
. Use thead. Same thing happens I guess when you have additional rows with repeat={integer} set. Not sure what you mean here. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things

Re: [whatwg] WA1: conformance checker conformance requirements

2005-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
already noted, the entire subject of conformance for scripted content has yet to be properly resolved in the conformance section. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things

Re: [whatwg] [html5] window.print() undefined

2005-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
it in the media you don't want it visible for, e.g.: @media screen { footer .breadcrumbs { display: none; } } I agree that your use cases are real, don't get me wrong. I just don't think that it makes sense to consider them as being something you would do upon entering a print mode. -- Ian

Re: [whatwg] [html5] window.print() undefined

2005-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
feature in CSS, not in HTML. :-) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [html5] attribute value whitespace handling

2005-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
. Still confusing and in need for clarification. In two steps: 1. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#adef-value-INPUT 2. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#type-cdata Ah indeed, my bad. Yes, this will have to be defined more clearly in HTML5. -- Ian Hickson

Re: [whatwg] Display Issue with Web Applications 1.0 Working Draft

2005-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
searching for things much easier. Thanks, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [html5] window.print() undefined

2005-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Maniac wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: That's a use case for a new feature in CSS, not in HTML. :-) It is solvable with events discussed. My point is that authors traditionally use scripting to solve things that can't be solved with other means. It's normal. Granted

Re: [whatwg] [html5] window.print() undefined

2005-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
certainly so. There are several lines of study in the CSSWG right now about reordering, in fact. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Display Issue with Web Applications 1.0 Working Draft

2005-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
for line breaks. Lots. Ok. I truncated the line. I guess it wasn't really that important anyway. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [html5] contenteditable specification

2005-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
spanning elements be wrapped inside a single element? What about non-contiguous selections? Does the colour specified have to be taken literally or is it interpreted? | [...] I haven't looked at the rest yet. Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] WA1: meta attribute requirements

2005-07-18 Thread Ian Hickson
data. Is there a reason why these attributes are nonetheless all optional in WA1? What would it mean for them to be required? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things

Re: [whatwg] WA1: base and href

2005-07-18 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, fantasai wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, fantasai wrote: In HTML 4, the 'href' attribute of the base element is #REQUIRED. Is there a reason why in HTML 5 it is not required? What's the point in making it required? What's the point in making

Re: [whatwg] WA1: meta attribute requirements

2005-07-18 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, fantasai wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, fantasai wrote: HTML 4 #REQUIREs the 'content' attribute for meta. It does not require 'name' probably only because the DTD can't express a requirement of either 'name' or 'http-equiv': as WA1 notes

Re: [whatwg] [html5] window.print() undefined

2005-07-18 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Dean Edwards wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Dean Edwards wrote: OK. Forget CSS for a moment (although this is still a consideration for me). What if I want to suspend a timer while the page is being printed? Printing is (supposedly

Re: [whatwg] [html5] window.print() undefined

2005-07-18 Thread Ian Hickson
to have multiple media all at the same time. For instance Opera can be in speech mode and in screen mode simultaneously. See the introduction to the Browsing Context section: http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#browsing -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] [html5] dom attributes

2005-07-17 Thread Ian Hickson
attributes and HTML attributes such as action for example. In WF2 generally I'd like to stick to specifying new features, only trying to clarify existing features when they are poorly implemented. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U

Re: [whatwg] [html5] window.print() undefined

2005-07-17 Thread Ian Hickson
at the moment is missing hundreds of things. :-) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Some likeness of DOM Session scope

2005-07-17 Thread Ian Hickson
-apps/current-work/#the-session The spec is a bit terse right now, but it should address what you mentioned. I'm sure we'll write more developer-friendly docs in due course (like, when it's more stable!). HTH, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] Some likeness of DOM Session scope

2005-07-17 Thread Ian Hickson
on the network. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] p elements containing other block-level elements

2005-07-14 Thread Ian Hickson
the newer applicationy bits are written. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Input type=date UI discussion

2005-07-13 Thread Ian Hickson
to define the behaviour in the case where it does happen, without limiting the cases where it may happen. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take

Re: [whatwg] Input type=date UI discussion

2005-07-13 Thread Ian Hickson
.) There are various other keys that open the dropdown on Windows, notably Alt+Down, Alt+Up, and F4, all three of which toggle the state of a combo box dropdown. HTH, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Comments on sections 2.3 -- 2.5

2005-07-11 Thread Ian Hickson
that that's what should be happening (the See the XXX attribute definition phrasing is what the DOM working group uses for just reflect the attribute value into the DOM). Ok, just left it out then. Thanks, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Comments on sections 2.3 -- 2.5

2005-07-11 Thread Ian Hickson
it looks like the basic date format (-MM-DDThh:mm:ssZ) is still the same, so it shouldn't be an issue. Aha, excellent, thanks. Updated the spec. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Comments on sections 2.3 -- 2.5

2005-07-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Boris Zbarsky wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: I guess my point is that for number types or step this would be a very difficult to follow suggestion and that attempts to follow it are likely to be pretty buggy... I guess we could remove the suggestion. Would you prefer

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Comments on sections 2.3 -- 2.5

2005-07-11 Thread Ian Hickson
sadly does not endorse fractional time (23,55 = 23:30:30) except for seconds, nor the week and day based calendars (2005-W28-1, 2005-123), which ISO 8601:2004 retains. Durations are cumbersome. Maybe we should make this reference informative... -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Comments on sections 2.3 -- 2.5

2005-07-10 Thread Ian Hickson
-work/diff-2005-07-03 Thanks for your comments so far! -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [WA1] Meta Element Syntax

2005-07-07 Thread Ian Hickson
. :-) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

[whatwg] Re: Comments on Web Forms 2.0

2005-07-06 Thread Ian Hickson
the time it took the user to select the current value (say), but not ok to define a new control that would appear in the .elements array. I'd suggest to include such examples in the document. Done. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] Web Forms as data schema language

2005-07-06 Thread Ian Hickson
languages. Yes, that would be quite interesting. Please let us know your findings! Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Web Forms 2.0: Repetition and type ID

2005-07-05 Thread Ian Hickson
. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

[whatwg] Re: Comments on Web Forms 2.0

2005-07-05 Thread Ian Hickson
. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Web Forms 2.0: Repetition and type ID

2005-07-03 Thread Ian Hickson
of [] as well. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

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