Re: [whatwg] List captions
On 4/6/07, Elliotte Harold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Mabbett wrote: How often do we see something like: pAnimals:/p ul liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul This would be more meaningful as: ul caption=Animals liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul No, the caption should be displayed to all users. That means it needs to be element content, not an attribute value. Just maybe ul captionAnimals/caption liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul Seems to me that what you want semantically is: dl dtAnimals/dt ddCat/dd ddDog/dd ddHorse/dd ddCow/dd /dl or maybe dl dtAnimals/dt ddul liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul/dd /dl if you're feeling XOXO-esque
Re: [whatwg] List captions
Elliotte wrote: No, the caption should be displayed to all users. That means it needs to be element content, not an attribute value. Just maybe ul captionAnimals/caption liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul That should probably be legend, not caption, For the same reason that figure uses legend and not caption. Ted -- Edward O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem.
Re: [whatwg] List captions
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:31:58 +0200, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How often do we see something like: pAnimals:/p ul liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul This would be more meaningful as: ul caption=Animals liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul There could also be a summary attribute, as with tables. Any interest? We should do our best to avoid repeats of alt, title, and friends. A list header would go much better as a separate element, like caption is for tables. The resurrection of lh was proposed a few days ago on this very list, why not take a look at that thread? -- Magnus Kristiansen Don't worry; the Universe IS out to get you.
Re: [whatwg] List captions
http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2007-April/010728.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Mabbett Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:32 PM To: WHAT WG Subject: [whatwg] List captions How often do we see something like: pAnimals:/p ul liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul This would be more meaningful as: ul caption=Animals liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul There could also be a summary attribute, as with tables. Any interest? -- Andy Mabbett * Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ * Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk * Are you using Microformats, yet: http://microformats.org/ ?
Re: [whatwg] List captions
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Magnus Kristiansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:31:58 +0200, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How often do we see something like: pAnimals:/p ul liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul This would be more meaningful as: ul caption=Animals liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul There could also be a summary attribute, as with tables. Any interest? We should do our best to avoid repeats of alt, title, and friends. Why? A list header would go much better as a separate element, like caption is for tables. Like: ul captionAnimals/caption (or lh, or whatever) liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul Yes, that would work, too. The resurrection of lh was proposed a few days ago on this very list, why not take a look at that thread? Great minds think alike! ;-) -- Andy Mabbett * Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ * Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk * Are you using Microformats, yet: http://microformats.org/ ?
Re: [whatwg] List captions
Le 2007-04-06 à 10:27, Andy Mabbett a écrit : ul captionAnimals/caption (or lh, or whatever) liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul Personally, I can hardly see why such a markup is needed. If your list is part of the main content you should be preceding it by a header the same way you would for a paragraph. If the list is for navigation, why not simply wrap it in a nav element alongside with a header? If the list is somewhat separate of the main content, it probably belongs, with the header, in an aside element. If the list is for some illustrative purpose, a case were like a table it needs a caption, why not improve the figure element to allow lists to be put inside it? More visually, which case do you have that would not be covered by any of these markups? h1Animalsh1 ul liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul section h1Animalsh1 ul liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul /section nav h1Animalsh1 ul liCat/li !-- assuming you have some links here -- liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul /nav aside h1Animalsh1 ul liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul /aside figure legendAnimals/legend ul liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul /figure I believe the markup should depend on what your list stands for. A list is not much unlike a paragraph: it's an enumeration formatted in a special way. So why can't we reuse the already existing structures? Michel Fortin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.michelf.com/
Re: [whatwg] List captions
2007/4/6, Andy Mabbett: We should do our best to avoid repeats of alt, title, and friends. Why? Styling, text extraction (a.k.a. tag-stripping) A list header would go much better as a separate element, like caption is for tables. Like: ul captionAnimals/caption (or lh, or whatever) liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul Yes, that would work, too. Problem: not backwards compatible (w.r.t. styling) See this page with different browsers: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C%21DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0A%3Cbody%3E%0A%3Cstyle%20type%3D%22text/css%22%3Eul%20caption%20%7B%20text-decoration%3A%20underline%3B%20%7D%3C/style%3E%0A%3Cul%3E%3Clh%20style%3D%22color%3A%20green%22%3ECaption%3C/lh%3E%3Cli%3EItem%201 You can also try with lh, almost same results (much better in Firefox). http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C%21DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0D%0A%3Cbody%3E%0D%0A%3Cstyle%20type%3D%22text/css%22%3Eul%20lh%20%7B%20text-decoration%3A%20underline%3B%20%7D%3C/style%3E%0D%0A%3Cul%3E%3Clh%20style%3D%22color%3A%20green%22%3ECaption%3C/lh%3E%3Cli%3EItem%201 Better results with p, but not semantically a good choice. Using an ul or ol nested inside a dl is not that bad after all... -- Thomas Broyer
Re: [whatwg] List captions
Andy Mabbett wrote: How often do we see something like: pAnimals:/p ul liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul This would be more meaningful as: ul caption=Animals liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul No, the caption should be displayed to all users. That means it needs to be element content, not an attribute value. Just maybe ul captionAnimals/caption liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul but definitely not ul caption=Animals liCat/li liDog/li liHorse/li liCow/li /ul -- Elliotte Rusty Harold [EMAIL PROTECTED] Java I/O 2nd Edition Just Published! http://www.cafeaulait.org/books/javaio2/ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0596527500/ref=nosim/cafeaulaitA/
