Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread David Liebeherr
Juergen Donnerstag wrote: Sorry, I guess except the javadoc there is no extra doc on it. What is your question? Signin and Signin2 and not very complex. I think this is precisely the Problem. I found it already out by myself, but it took me some time to find and understand that the key thing

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Juergen Donnerstag
David, yes you're right we have to work on the docs, has been on our list and is under construction. Did you check out our wiki and (the outdated) user guide. it should provide at a beginner some inside into Wicket. You mentioned you would simplifiy the API even further. You mentioned IModel.

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread David Liebeherr
Hi Juergen, Juergen Donnerstag wrote: David, yes you're right we have to work on the docs, has been on our list and is under construction. Did you check out our wiki and (the outdated) user guide. it should provide at a beginner some inside into Wicket. You mentioned you would simplifiy the

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread David Liebeherr
Uh ohh, i started reading the dicussion about interfaces in wicket. I think Eleco and Jonathan might be wrong in some ways. One /very/ important reason not to use interfaces in this case is that: interfaces are hard to evolve. Interfaces have to be pretty darn stable before even considering

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread David Liebeherr
I quite long enough. But i guess because of fact that you answer only with one non-context question to my mail that you will not even think about the meaning of what i said, right? Rather than bother around with who i am and how long i have been doing something you should just engage with

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Jonathan Locke
i think you're awfully, awfully full of yourself (in fact, you sound like me about 10 years ago... ;-)). have you even considered the possibility that it might be /you/ that doesn't get it? from my perspective: loose coupled interfaces == bell bottom jeans people think that they're the

RE: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Igor Vaynberg
for everything, but in this case it would be nice. Thanks, Igor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Locke Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:29 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Jonathan Locke
i don't have a graphic equalizer that's going to compensate. i think we're done talking. David Liebeherr wrote: Jonathan Locke wrote: David Liebeherr wrote: I quite long enough. But i guess because of fact that you answer only with one non-context question to my mail that you will

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread David Liebeherr
Sorry, but is that the way you react on critism? Cu, Dave Jonathan Locke wrote: i don't have a graphic equalizer that's going to compensate. i think we're done talking. David Liebeherr wrote: Jonathan Locke wrote: David Liebeherr wrote: I quite long enough. But i guess because of

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Jonathan Locke
@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example i think you're awfully, awfully full of yourself (in fact, you sound like me about 10 years ago... ;-)). have you even considered the possibility that it might be /you/ that doesn't get it? from my perspective: loose coupled

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Christian Essl
Hi Juergen, I think Wicket has a great design. Escpecially I like the use of classes in favour of interfaces where no alternative implementations are realy useful. You mentioned you would simplifiy the API even further. You mentioned IModel. Anything else that comes into your mind? In the

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Jonathan Locke
yeah, this would make a good FAQ entry. we struggled with naming this class for quite a while and i can understand your unhappiness with the name. unfortunately, i think it's too late to change this one now. Christian Essl wrote: Hi Juergen, I think Wicket has a great design.

RE: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Igor Vaynberg
thoughts? Thanks, Igor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Locke Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 3:41 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example Igor Vaynberg wrote: Jonathan

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Jonathan Locke
PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example Igor Vaynberg wrote: Jonathan, Could you please elaborate on why interfaces are fragile. It doesn't click for me. How is it more fragile to have an interface and a single

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Jonathan Locke
. -Igor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Igor Vaynberg Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:04 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example I can see your point. My thinking has always been that any

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Jonathan Locke
Of Jonathan Locke Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 3:41 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example Igor Vaynberg wrote: Jonathan, Could you please elaborate on why interfaces are fragile. It doesn't click for me. How is it more fragile

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Jonathan Locke
@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example I can see your point. My thinking has always been that any abstract class has an implicit interface which is the sum of its public methods, and that there really is no difference between evolving public methods in an abstract class

RE: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Igor Vaynberg
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Locke Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:12 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example btw, why doesn't PageableListViewNavigationLink just use its own page? the navigation and the navigated object should never

RE: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Igor Vaynberg
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Igor Vaynberg Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:04 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example I can see your point. My thinking has always been that any abstract class has an implicit interface which is the sum

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Jonathan Locke
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Locke Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 3:41 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example Igor Vaynberg wrote: Jonathan, Could you please elaborate

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Jonathan Locke
, August 02, 2005 5:04 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example I can see your point. My thinking has always been that any abstract class has an implicit interface which is the sum of its public methods, and that there really is no difference

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-02 Thread Jonathan Locke
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Igor Vaynberg Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:04 PM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example I can see your point. My thinking has always been

Re: [Wicket-user] Sigin Example

2005-08-01 Thread Juergen Donnerstag
Sorry, I guess except the javadoc there is no extra doc on it. What is your question? Signin and Signin2 and not very complex. Juergen On 8/1/05, David Liebeherr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any documentation/tutorial available for the Signin Exmaple? I realy have some problems