Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-02-05 Thread Timo Rantalaiho
I was able to test some ajax functionality by firing events with WicketTester, but something related to forms not. The problematic form thing I just tested with Wicket Bench then. If anyone is interested I can cook up a quickstart representing the WicketTester-with-ajaxified-form problem.

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-02-05 Thread Loren Rosen
I also had hair-pulling moments at first trying to understand static vs. dynamic models. It was one of my principal motivations for re-writing the wiki page. Scott Swank wrote: Read it? I have it printed off sitting on my desk. The key point I was missing was that a static model for,

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-02-02 Thread Timo Rantalaiho
On Thu, 01 Feb 2007, Scott Swank wrote: And we just got WicketTester up running. Very nice stuff. Its I checked yesterday and our .ui package had a line coverage of 96 % or something such, slightly more than the overall for the whole software :) capabilities are already impressing folk.

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-02-02 Thread Johan Compagner
I was able to test some ajax functionality by firing events with WicketTester, but something related to forms not. The problematic form thing I just tested with Wicket Bench then. If anyone is interested I can cook up a quickstart representing the WicketTester-with-ajaxified-form problem.

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-02-01 Thread Scott Swank
Very interesting to hear. Thank you. On 1/31/07, beboris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have done some performance testing between JSF, JSP, Wicket and Stripes when choosing a framework to develop Ajax-enabled WebUI. You may find it interesting to know that our results showed JSF is at least

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-02-01 Thread Scott Swank
If our JSF v. Wicket shakedown continues to clearly favor Wicket then I imagine you'll see some from our corner of the web. Scott On 1/31/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and what we expect from our users are patches :) -igor On 1/31/07, Carfield Yim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-02-01 Thread Scott Swank
And we just got WicketTester up running. Very nice stuff. Its capabilities are already impressing folk. Are there any known things to be aware of with respect to Ajax-ified apps WicketTester? Continually impressed, Scott On 2/1/07, Scott Swank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If our JSF v.

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-02-01 Thread Jonathan Locke
Models are actually simpler than they look. If you haven't already read it, this is a good primer: http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/working-with-wicket-models.html Scott Swank wrote: Thank you to both of you. And for anyone who's been paying any attention to my questions it's pretty

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-02-01 Thread Scott Swank
Read it? I have it printed off sitting on my desk. The key point I was missing was that a static model for, lets say, a label holds the value in question. For Ajax refreshes a dynamic model, such as a PropertyModel, knows how to get the value and hence updates the label's contents on refresh.

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-02-01 Thread Matej Knopp
Heh, models take a while to grok. I guess most people have the same problem at the beginning (I was no exception :)) -Matej Scott Swank wrote: Read it? I have it printed off sitting on my desk. The key point I was missing was that a static model for, lets say, a label holds the value in

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-02-01 Thread Johan Compagner
Matej! Even you!? I can't believe that! you are making fun of me! johan On 2/1/07, Matej Knopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh, models take a while to grok. I guess most people have the same problem at the beginning (I was no exception :)) -Matej Scott Swank wrote: Read it? I have it

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-02-01 Thread Matej Knopp
Yeah, well, it took me some time to realize the potential of wicket models :) I believe the way wicket models are is both blessing and curse. The model interface is very simple and flexible, but on the other hand, the possibilities (like nested and compound models) are not entirely obvious.

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-02-01 Thread Scott Swank
The wiki needs more examples that use a particular model in one or two situations and then explain why that model is a good fit for the situation at hand. Once I feel like I have a bit more solid grasp I'll volunteer my time to such an effort. Matej -- By nested do you mean what is referred to

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread Scott Swank
Mmm, here's the rather frustrated response from the developer who's been working on re-skinning DatePicker ModalWindow to get them to more seamlessly fit our UI look/feel. Apart from this hitch the demo implementation has been proceeded so well that we're trying to figure out what else to do to

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread Scott Swank
Ok, I dug into the DatePickerSettings and figured out that we can very easily: 1. Apply our own css that overrides part of the existing css like so: this.add(HeaderContributor.forCss(../../css/cyllenius_cal.css)); 2. Apply our own css _instead of_ the existing css like so:

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread Scott Swank
Correction. Step #1 is on the DatePicker itself, while step #2 is on the DatePickerSettings. Dumb cut/paste mistake. On 1/31/07, Scott Swank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I dug into the DatePickerSettings and figured out that we can very easily: 1. Apply our own css that overrides part of

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread Igor Vaynberg
one thing to keep in mind is that the modalwindow was _not meant_ to be very customizable. it was meant to be a dropin component that you would use as is. that is why we put so much work into making it look really good. what we need to do is to extract an AbstractModalWindow that doesnt have all

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread Igor Vaynberg
On 1/31/07, Scott Swank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another silly issue that demonstrates the coupling of a component to its CSS is that the modal window uses CSS's background-image in for its blue/grey border. We can only override the image not remove it so that we simply have a black line.

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread Scott Swank
what we need to do is to extract an AbstractModalWindow that doesnt have all the bells and whistles but lets you customize the look more. +1 -- if we go with Wicket we might even contribute this ourselves also can you not simply do modalwindow.setcssclassname(mine) and then include an

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread Matej Knopp
Hi. I guess someone should write a how to customize modal window article to wiki :) You don't have to use blue or grey css. You can specify your own style selector in modal window (ModalWindow.setCssClassName). If you set it to e.g. black, you won't even have the background images loaded. As

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread Scott Swank
Eelco Igor, I'm in agreement on the broad component-packaging approach and had much the same conversation with our developer (Chris). Mostly he was frustrated. We're sub-classes both DatePicker ModalWindow so that they have our look/feel for the prototype. Things really aren't nearly so bad

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread Scott Swank
That someone may well be me -- once I have a better idea about how the moving pieces (js css) fit together. On 1/31/07, Matej Knopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I guess someone should write a how to customize modal window article to wiki :) You don't have to use blue or grey css. You can

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread Scott Swank
take a look at datatable example in wicket-examples. Nice example, thank you. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread Carfield Yim
On 2/1/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one thing to keep in mind is that the modalwindow was _not meant_ to be very customizable. it was meant to be a dropin component that you would use as However, people like every component to be very customizable, that is what client expect from

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread Igor Vaynberg
you are free to write your own if the one we provide doesnt fit your needs :) we didnt use any api you dont have access to to create this one. -igor On 1/31/07, Carfield Yim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/1/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one thing to keep in mind is that the

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread Carfield Yim
On 2/1/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you are free to write your own if the one we provide doesnt fit your needs :) we didnt use any api you dont have access to to create this one. Sure, no offence, in fact I am happy to use ModalWindow. I just say what we expect for our software

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread Igor Vaynberg
and what we expect from our users are patches :) -igor On 1/31/07, Carfield Yim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/1/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you are free to write your own if the one we provide doesnt fit your needs :) we didnt use any api you dont have access to to create

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-31 Thread beboris
We have done some performance testing between JSF, JSP, Wicket and Stripes when choosing a framework to develop Ajax-enabled WebUI. You may find it interesting to know that our results showed JSF is at least 3-4 times slower than JSP on simple pages (exactly as described at

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-30 Thread Andrew Klochkov
Scott Swank wrote: The stylesheet is not very simple though. -- Yup, that's that stage we're at. :) It's much easier to change modal window markup by overriding javascript function Wicket.Window.getMarkup. -- Andrew Klochkov

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-30 Thread Scott Swank
Very kind, thank you. On 1/29/07, Jonathan Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds very smart. I firmly believe that Wicket can peform and scale as well as being productive and maintainable. Let me know if you run into a need for consulting help in this arena (or any other). Scott Swank

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-30 Thread Scott Swank
Interesting, I'll dig into that a bit. (Or more accurately, I'll pass this on to the fellow who's actually working on the ModalWindow DatePicker css for our demo). Cheers, Scott On 1/30/07, Andrew Klochkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Swank wrote: The stylesheet is not very simple

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-29 Thread Martijn Dashorst
I have a grin on my face that stretches from my left ear to my right... Gogogo! Martijn On 1/29/07, Scott Swank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One week (of two) into the JSF vs. Wicket comparison here at Vegas.com things are going nicely -- team Wicket is finished while team JSF is trying to get

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-29 Thread Scott Swank
Thank you to both of you. And for anyone who's been paying any attention to my questions it's pretty clear that I don't know Wicket particularly well yet. I'm still fumbling around a bit with models. Further, the other three folk had never set eyes on Wicket before last Monday. Scott

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-29 Thread Matej Knopp
I wish I could help you in person :) Unfortunately I'm not from US. I'm afraid there's not much that can be done about ModalWindow feel, unless you want to mess with the javascript :) As for Look, you can specify custom stylesheet though. Actually, you can set the CSS class modal window would

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-29 Thread Scott Swank
The stylesheet is not very simple though. -- Yup, that's that stage we're at. :) On 1/29/07, Matej Knopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I could help you in person :) Unfortunately I'm not from US. I'm afraid there's not much that can be done about ModalWindow feel, unless you want to mess

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-29 Thread Scott Swank
But none the less, thank you very kindly. On 1/29/07, Scott Swank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The stylesheet is not very simple though. -- Yup, that's that stage we're at. :) On 1/29/07, Matej Knopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I could help you in person :) Unfortunately I'm not from US.

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-29 Thread Johan Compagner
whooohooo! On 1/29/07, Scott Swank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One week (of two) into the JSF vs. Wicket comparison here at Vegas.comthings are going nicely -- team Wicket is finished while team JSF is trying to get Ajax functionality working. There were four people working on each

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-29 Thread Frank Bille
Yeah gogogo. :) On 1/29/07, Matej Knopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for Look, you can specify custom stylesheet though. Actually, you can set the CSS class modal window would use (using ModalWindow.setCssClassName()) You can have your own style, simple copying and modifying the modal.css file

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-29 Thread Christopher Gardner
I apologize if this has been mentioned, but is comparative performance and load testing planned? I'd love to see Wicket rule on this. On 1/29/07, Scott Swank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One week (of two) into the JSF vs. Wicket comparison here at Vegas.comthings are going nicely -- team Wicket

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-29 Thread Eelco Hillenius
That would be interesting yeah. I'm not sure if there would be a clear winner. Eelco On 1/29/07, Christopher Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize if this has been mentioned, but is comparative performance and load testing planned? I'd love to see Wicket rule on this. On 1/29/07,

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-29 Thread Scott Swank
Right now we're focused on developer productivity, code-to-weight ratio and code clarity. If this goes over then we'll look at performance. Scott On 1/29/07, Christopher Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize if this has been mentioned, but is comparative performance and load testing

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-29 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 1/29/07, Christopher Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize if this has been mentioned, but is comparative performance and load testing planned? I'd love to see Wicket rule on this. You can read: http://jroller.com/page/JonathanLocke where we posted some basic, non-representative

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-29 Thread Igor Vaynberg
is tapestry performance a good benchmark? :) -igor On 1/29/07, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/29/07, Christopher Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize if this has been mentioned, but is comparative performance and load testing planned? I'd love to see Wicket rule on

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-29 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 1/29/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is tapestry performance a good benchmark? :) Wait until we have an example that runs JSF... Martijn -- Vote for Wicket at the http://www.thebeststuffintheworld.com/vote_for/wicket Wicket 1.2.4 is as easy as 1-2-4. Download Wicket now!

Re: [Wicket-user] ui framework choice

2007-01-29 Thread Jonathan Locke
Sounds very smart. I firmly believe that Wicket can peform and scale as well as being productive and maintainable. Let me know if you run into a need for consulting help in this arena (or any other). Scott Swank wrote: Right now we're focused on developer productivity, code-to-weight