Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
Probably caused by the wiki conversion some time ago. Erik. cowwoc schreef: I wonder why the indentation is all screwed up for the code at the bottom, the markup text looks correct to me... Gili Scott Swank wrote: Have you seen this in the wiki? It's a reasonable start on the sort of thing that I _think_ you're asking for. http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/lifecycle-of-a-wicket-application.html Scott -- Erik van Oosten http://day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
Also remember to have the wicket source code attached to your IDE (easy with e.g. mvn -Declipse.downloadSources=true eclipse:eclipse or idea:idea), and to have wicket-examples project open in another IDE window. With this + working on a real live project and with a little help from my friends and these mailing lists, I've been getting on pretty well. Anyway learning to use any framework is more about solving real problems by coding on it than reading stuff. I also subscribe to the user, dev and commits mailing lists and try to read the messages at least cursorily. The most problematic things (such as working with models :)) come up a lot and often with realistic examples. -- Timo Rantalaiho Reaktor Innovations OyURL: http://www.ri.fi/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
It's quite tricky as to know how to best do this, although there's certainly scope for people to keep track of threads on the mailing list and create articles or update for the Wiki from them. Anyone should be able to edit most pages on the wiki, though a signup is required. /Gwyn On Thursday, May 3, 2007, 11:29:05 PM, Francisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we vote on this issue? can I call this an issue? Igor gracefully pointed me to the Model article in the wiki, but this article is mostly Object Structure, and How to Apply it... but lacks a little on how is model updated and passed throughout the framework. It surely taught me though. Is it possible to ask understood community members to divide papers or small overview articles on different aspects like the ones listed below? And therefore we might have some good data to compile into a nice PDF regarding Wicket's inner workings and architecture. With a good paper like that one, the goal would be to auto-answer questions like this one: Is it possible to use setMarkupStream to assign html to a web page? (posted a minute ago by Thomas R. Corbin) This is a question regarding inner workings, because the Answer is some IMarkupResourceStreamProvider, and where is this information a part from articles on How-To's. Wicket is Awsome, this should be written on some paper showing architecture and core components behavior. regards to all, -f(t) On 5/3/07, Matthew Kwong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. me too, I also think some more core concept needs more documentation, pro wicket is nice and can get you going with tables, ajax, pages, tabbedpanel etc, but 300pages does not reach to the point of explaining tons of stuffs, especially with new 1.3 features. I was waiting Wicket in action, any news still after the constructor changes drop? Matthew Paolo Di Tommaso wrote: Anyway Francisco is right, I'm also thinking that Wicket is really missing a good tutorial about core concepts. I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. Wicket is really a good framework that covers every details of the web application stack (and they are many and many not just web page rendering ..), but I'm thinking that a good tutorial about Wicket core concepts would be very useful to novice users as well as experts. Thank you. - Paolo On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as far as models go http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Working+with+Wicket+models -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be glad to help out in any way. Here are my thoughts to the community. If we could talk about core wiket ideas and implementations, for instance: Models (Concept, interfaces, implementations) Session Application Pages Listeners Versioning Request and Response Cycles Page Life Cycle. The thing is, it is not the same (AT ALL) to build a wicket application than it is to build a struts application (Other than struts sucks :P) which are the concepts and design guidelines we should have? That is what I am trying to address. Because of my current infinite ignorance, I might not be the right person to build this type of document. Although I could write some docs after I get an Idea from the Book Pro-Wicket or Wicket-Pro (don't remember just know) and migrate to 1.3, and do some other demos. I think I could start writing in about a month or so. Other than that any thing else I could do would be nice to help out. Regards, f(t) On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont think we have something that is focused on the core architecture. if you have specific questions we will be happy to answer them and maybe you can compile them into a document. it is hard to find time to work specifically on high level documentation because this list, coding, jira, javadoc, etc take up a lot of time. by the time someone gets to a point where they have enough knowledge to write such docs they are usually buried in fixing bugs -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H igor, thanks, but could you be more specific. I do think I browsed the wiki but couldn't find what I was looking for. For instance: http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/documentation-index.html appears to list many referential How to's but not core framework architecture. I know there is a little bit in many of the reference samples. But is there a paper on module architecture and core
Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
it does not even require core committers to participate, what core committers can do is break wicket into pieces of headings in a linear manner and have non-core who understand start to contribute. wiki is not enough, there has to be a line of thought set by the creators of wicket. answering specific questions still wont make it join everything together, i also vote for the fact that we seriously need a free ebook in PDF form, i dont mind contributing the little i know as well. the point is there has to be a point offline reference that can help when the internet or the forum is not there. sometimes picking up a framework without a good guide are for those brave java jackie chan not afraid to dig thru any framework. just my 2c too. On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can feel free to vote, but i would warn to expect very little help from the core committer group. like i said, between doing everything else we have no time to write a book. in fact eelco and martijn are working on wicket in action and so definetely do not have time to write another. i dont know if they are planning on having chapters that cover this stuff. you might want to discuss that with them. maybe they are willing to add user contributions to the book on this, maybe not, maybe they are already writing about this. what we are available for is to answer specific questions. the rest is up to the users. we have the wiki, feel free to collaborate with others and ask us for clarifications/reviews. my 2c. -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we vote on this issue? can I call this an issue? Igor gracefully pointed me to the Model article in the wiki, but this article is mostly Object Structure, and How to Apply it... but lacks a little on how is model updated and passed throughout the framework. It surely taught me though. :) Is it possible to ask understood community members to divide papers or small overview articles on different aspects like the ones listed below? And therefore we might have some good data to compile into a nice PDF regarding Wicket's inner workings and architecture. With a good paper like that one, the goal would be to auto-answer questions like this one: *Is it possible to use setMarkupStream to assign html to a web page?* (posted a minute ago by Thomas R. Corbin) This is a question regarding inner workings, because the Answer is some IMarkupResourceStreamProvider, and where is this information a part from articles on How-To's. Wicket is Awsome, this should be written on some paper showing architecture and core components behavior. regards to all, -f(t) On 5/3/07, Matthew Kwong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. me too, I also think some more core concept needs more documentation, pro wicket is nice and can get you going with tables, ajax, pages, tabbedpanel etc, but 300pages does not reach to the point of explaining tons of stuffs, especially with new 1.3 features. I was waiting Wicket in action, any news still after the constructor changes drop? Matthew Paolo Di Tommaso wrote: Anyway Francisco is right, I'm also thinking that Wicket is really missing a good tutorial about core concepts. I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. Wicket is really a good framework that covers every details of the web application stack (and they are many and many not just web page rendering ..), but I'm thinking that a good tutorial about Wicket core concepts would be very useful to novice users as well as experts. Thank you. - Paolo On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as far as models go http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Working+with+Wicket+models -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be glad to help out in any way. Here are my thoughts to the community. If we could talk about core wiket ideas and implementations, for instance: Models (Concept, interfaces, implementations) Session Application Pages Listeners Versioning Request and Response Cycles Page Life Cycle. The thing is, it is not the same (AT ALL) to build a wicket application than it is to build a struts application (Other than struts sucks :P) which are the concepts and design guidelines we should have? That is what I am trying to address. Because of my current infinite ignorance, I might not be the right person to build this type of
Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
If someone takes it up to create a structure (project in wicket-stuff maybe, or just the wiki?) I'll be glad to help out a bit, certainly with the foundational stuff. However, I don't have time to do much else than that, and I'm sure the other comitters have the same problem. Also note that I've tried to attract people for just documentation in the past. With limited results except for Geertjan, who actually wrote quite a lot, but had to combine it with his goal of writing for Netbeans. Also, the tutorials on JavaLobby (http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t60786.html) and various other sources are quite good imo. Anyway, all we (the current core team members) are saying is that we like to help out, but we don't want to take the lead. We hope 'the community' picks that up. Eelco On 5/4/07, Ayodeji Aladejebi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it does not even require core committers to participate, what core committers can do is break wicket into pieces of headings in a linear manner and have non-core who understand start to contribute. wiki is not enough, there has to be a line of thought set by the creators of wicket. answering specific questions still wont make it join everything together, i also vote for the fact that we seriously need a free ebook in PDF form, i dont mind contributing the little i know as well. the point is there has to be a point offline reference that can help when the internet or the forum is not there. sometimes picking up a framework without a good guide are for those brave java jackie chan not afraid to dig thru any framework. just my 2c too. On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can feel free to vote, but i would warn to expect very little help from the core committer group. like i said, between doing everything else we have no time to write a book. in fact eelco and martijn are working on wicket in action and so definetely do not have time to write another. i dont know if they are planning on having chapters that cover this stuff. you might want to discuss that with them. maybe they are willing to add user contributions to the book on this, maybe not, maybe they are already writing about this. what we are available for is to answer specific questions. the rest is up to the users. we have the wiki, feel free to collaborate with others and ask us for clarifications/reviews. my 2c. -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we vote on this issue? can I call this an issue? Igor gracefully pointed me to the Model article in the wiki, but this article is mostly Object Structure, and How to Apply it... but lacks a little on how is model updated and passed throughout the framework. It surely taught me though. :) Is it possible to ask understood community members to divide papers or small overview articles on different aspects like the ones listed below? And therefore we might have some good data to compile into a nice PDF regarding Wicket's inner workings and architecture. With a good paper like that one, the goal would be to auto-answer questions like this one: Is it possible to use setMarkupStream to assign html to a web page? (posted a minute ago by Thomas R. Corbin) This is a question regarding inner workings, because the Answer is some IMarkupResourceStreamProvider, and where is this information a part from articles on How-To's. Wicket is Awsome, this should be written on some paper showing architecture and core components behavior. regards to all, -f(t) On 5/3/07, Matthew Kwong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. me too, I also think some more core concept needs more documentation, pro wicket is nice and can get you going with tables, ajax, pages, tabbedpanel etc, but 300pages does not reach to the point of explaining tons of stuffs, especially with new 1.3 features. I was waiting Wicket in action, any news still after the constructor changes drop? Matthew Paolo Di Tommaso wrote: Anyway Francisco is right, I'm also thinking that Wicket is really missing a good tutorial about core concepts. I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. Wicket is really a good framework that covers every details of the web application stack (and they are many and many not just web page rendering ..), but I'm thinking that a good tutorial about Wicket core concepts would be very useful to novice users as well as experts. Thank you. - Paolo On
Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
another problem is the evolution speed of wicket. its just very fast and with 1.3 coming, am not even so keen on reharsing with 1.2.x again. the framework still needs to properly evolve from my thinking cuz yu might start ebook process and before you know it so many stuffs are deprecated yu know On 5/4/07, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone takes it up to create a structure (project in wicket-stuff maybe, or just the wiki?) I'll be glad to help out a bit, certainly with the foundational stuff. However, I don't have time to do much else than that, and I'm sure the other comitters have the same problem. Also note that I've tried to attract people for just documentation in the past. With limited results except for Geertjan, who actually wrote quite a lot, but had to combine it with his goal of writing for Netbeans. Also, the tutorials on JavaLobby (http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t60786.html) and various other sources are quite good imo. Anyway, all we (the current core team members) are saying is that we like to help out, but we don't want to take the lead. We hope 'the community' picks that up. Eelco On 5/4/07, Ayodeji Aladejebi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it does not even require core committers to participate, what core committers can do is break wicket into pieces of headings in a linear manner and have non-core who understand start to contribute. wiki is not enough, there has to be a line of thought set by the creators of wicket. answering specific questions still wont make it join everything together, i also vote for the fact that we seriously need a free ebook in PDF form, i dont mind contributing the little i know as well. the point is there has to be a point offline reference that can help when the internet or the forum is not there. sometimes picking up a framework without a good guide are for those brave java jackie chan not afraid to dig thru any framework. just my 2c too. On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can feel free to vote, but i would warn to expect very little help from the core committer group. like i said, between doing everything else we have no time to write a book. in fact eelco and martijn are working on wicket in action and so definetely do not have time to write another. i dont know if they are planning on having chapters that cover this stuff. you might want to discuss that with them. maybe they are willing to add user contributions to the book on this, maybe not, maybe they are already writing about this. what we are available for is to answer specific questions. the rest is up to the users. we have the wiki, feel free to collaborate with others and ask us for clarifications/reviews. my 2c. -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we vote on this issue? can I call this an issue? Igor gracefully pointed me to the Model article in the wiki, but this article is mostly Object Structure, and How to Apply it... but lacks a little on how is model updated and passed throughout the framework. It surely taught me though. :) Is it possible to ask understood community members to divide papers or small overview articles on different aspects like the ones listed below? And therefore we might have some good data to compile into a nice PDF regarding Wicket's inner workings and architecture. With a good paper like that one, the goal would be to auto-answer questions like this one: Is it possible to use setMarkupStream to assign html to a web page? (posted a minute ago by Thomas R. Corbin) This is a question regarding inner workings, because the Answer is some IMarkupResourceStreamProvider, and where is this information a part from articles on How-To's. Wicket is Awsome, this should be written on some paper showing architecture and core components behavior. regards to all, -f(t) On 5/3/07, Matthew Kwong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. me too, I also think some more core concept needs more documentation, pro wicket is nice and can get you going with tables, ajax, pages, tabbedpanel etc, but 300pages does not reach to the point of explaining tons of stuffs, especially with new 1.3 features. I was waiting Wicket in action, any news still after the constructor changes drop? Matthew Paolo Di Tommaso wrote: Anyway Francisco is right, I'm also thinking that Wicket is really missing a good tutorial about core concepts. I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. Wicket
[Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
Hello everyone, I am about to buy this book called pro wickethttp://www.amazon.com/Pro-Wicket-Experts-Voice-Java/dp/1590597222/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-4798570-8657439?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1178205890sr=8-1 . But until it gets here (Argentina) would anyone point me in the right direction to read something on-line. What I am looking for is a tutorial / reference / on-line book / etc. covering the CORE, architecture, vision, a guide on how to structure your design. I have very successfully built a good enough demo, so I got around the reference samples, some docs, and this mailing list. But I cannot say at all that I know wicket. I would very much like to learn more about its internals 'cause I think that will also guide me to better designs by knowing more of wicket potentials. Thanks in advance, f(t) PS: Does the name wicket comes from being a real wicked as in cool or awsome framework or from the name of the cutest EWOK on Episode 6? XD. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
our wiki has links to various articles that might be of help to you. browsing the wiki is usually also good. -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I am about to buy this book called pro wicket http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Wicket-Experts-Voice-Java/dp/1590597222/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-4798570-8657439?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1178205890sr=8-1 . But until it gets here (Argentina) would anyone point me in the right direction to read something on-line. What I am looking for is a tutorial / reference / on-line book / etc. covering the CORE, architecture, vision, a guide on how to structure your design. I have very successfully built a good enough demo, so I got around the reference samples, some docs, and this mailing list. But I cannot say at all that I know wicket. I would very much like to learn more about its internals 'cause I think that will also guide me to better designs by knowing more of wicket potentials. Thanks in advance, f(t) PS: Does the name wicket comes from being a real wicked as in cool or awsome framework or from the name of the cutest EWOK on Episode 6? XD. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
H igor, thanks, but could you be more specific. I do think I browsed the wiki but couldn't find what I was looking for. For instance: http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/documentation-index.html appears to list many referential How to's but not core framework architecture. I know there is a little bit in many of the reference samples. But is there a paper on module architecture and core objects. Other than the javadoc I mean. francisco On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: our wiki has links to various articles that might be of help to you. browsing the wiki is usually also good. -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I am about to buy this book called pro wicket http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Wicket-Experts-Voice-Java/dp/1590597222/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-4798570-8657439?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1178205890sr=8-1 . But until it gets here (Argentina) would anyone point me in the right direction to read something on-line. What I am looking for is a tutorial / reference / on-line book / etc. covering the CORE, architecture, vision, a guide on how to structure your design. I have very successfully built a good enough demo, so I got around the reference samples, some docs, and this mailing list. But I cannot say at all that I know wicket. I would very much like to learn more about its internals 'cause I think that will also guide me to better designs by knowing more of wicket potentials. Thanks in advance, f(t) PS: Does the name wicket comes from being a real wicked as in cool or awsome framework or from the name of the cutest EWOK on Episode 6? XD. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
i dont think we have something that is focused on the core architecture. if you have specific questions we will be happy to answer them and maybe you can compile them into a document. it is hard to find time to work specifically on high level documentation because this list, coding, jira, javadoc, etc take up a lot of time. by the time someone gets to a point where they have enough knowledge to write such docs they are usually buried in fixing bugs :) -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H igor, thanks, but could you be more specific. I do think I browsed the wiki but couldn't find what I was looking for. For instance: http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/documentation-index.html appears to list many referential How to's but not core framework architecture. I know there is a little bit in many of the reference samples. But is there a paper on module architecture and core objects. Other than the javadoc I mean. francisco On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: our wiki has links to various articles that might be of help to you. browsing the wiki is usually also good. -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I am about to buy this book called pro wicket http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Wicket-Experts-Voice-Java/dp/1590597222/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-4798570-8657439?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1178205890sr=8-1 . But until it gets here (Argentina) would anyone point me in the right direction to read something on-line. What I am looking for is a tutorial / reference / on-line book / etc. covering the CORE, architecture, vision, a guide on how to structure your design. I have very successfully built a good enough demo, so I got around the reference samples, some docs, and this mailing list. But I cannot say at all that I know wicket. I would very much like to learn more about its internals 'cause I think that will also guide me to better designs by knowing more of wicket potentials. Thanks in advance, f(t) PS: Does the name wicket comes from being a real wicked as in cool or awsome framework or from the name of the cutest EWOK on Episode 6? XD. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
as far as models go http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Working+with+Wicket+models -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be glad to help out in any way. Here are my thoughts to the community. If we could talk about core wiket ideas and implementations, for instance: Models (Concept, interfaces, implementations) Session Application Pages Listeners Versioning Request and Response Cycles Page Life Cycle. The thing is, it is not the same (AT ALL) to build a wicket application than it is to build a struts application (Other than struts sucks :P) which are the concepts and design guidelines we should have? That is what I am trying to address. Because of my current infinite ignorance, I might not be the right person to build this type of document. Although I could write some docs after I get an Idea from the Book Pro-Wicket or Wicket-Pro (don't remember just know) and migrate to 1.3, and do some other demos. I think I could start writing in about a month or so. Other than that any thing else I could do would be nice to help out. Regards, f(t) On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont think we have something that is focused on the core architecture. if you have specific questions we will be happy to answer them and maybe you can compile them into a document. it is hard to find time to work specifically on high level documentation because this list, coding, jira, javadoc, etc take up a lot of time. by the time someone gets to a point where they have enough knowledge to write such docs they are usually buried in fixing bugs :) -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H igor, thanks, but could you be more specific. I do think I browsed the wiki but couldn't find what I was looking for. For instance: http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/documentation-index.html appears to list many referential How to's but not core framework architecture. I know there is a little bit in many of the reference samples. But is there a paper on module architecture and core objects. Other than the javadoc I mean. francisco On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: our wiki has links to various articles that might be of help to you. browsing the wiki is usually also good. -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I am about to buy this book called pro wicket http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Wicket-Experts-Voice-Java/dp/1590597222/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-4798570-8657439?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1178205890sr=8-1 . But until it gets here (Argentina) would anyone point me in the right direction to read something on-line. What I am looking for is a tutorial / reference / on-line book / etc. covering the CORE, architecture, vision, a guide on how to structure your design. I have very successfully built a good enough demo, so I got around the reference samples, some docs, and this mailing list. But I cannot say at all that I know wicket. I would very much like to learn more about its internals 'cause I think that will also guide me to better designs by knowing more of wicket potentials. Thanks in advance, f(t) PS: Does the name wicket comes from being a real wicked as in cool or awsome framework or from the name of the cutest EWOK on Episode 6? XD. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
Right, I'll start to compile things. On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as far as models go http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Working+with+Wicket+models -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be glad to help out in any way. Here are my thoughts to the community. If we could talk about core wiket ideas and implementations, for instance: Models (Concept, interfaces, implementations) Session Application Pages Listeners Versioning Request and Response Cycles Page Life Cycle. The thing is, it is not the same (AT ALL) to build a wicket application than it is to build a struts application (Other than struts sucks :P) which are the concepts and design guidelines we should have? That is what I am trying to address. Because of my current infinite ignorance, I might not be the right person to build this type of document. Although I could write some docs after I get an Idea from the Book Pro-Wicket or Wicket-Pro (don't remember just know) and migrate to 1.3, and do some other demos. I think I could start writing in about a month or so. Other than that any thing else I could do would be nice to help out. Regards, f(t) On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont think we have something that is focused on the core architecture. if you have specific questions we will be happy to answer them and maybe you can compile them into a document. it is hard to find time to work specifically on high level documentation because this list, coding, jira, javadoc, etc take up a lot of time. by the time someone gets to a point where they have enough knowledge to write such docs they are usually buried in fixing bugs :) -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H igor, thanks, but could you be more specific. I do think I browsed the wiki but couldn't find what I was looking for. For instance: http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/documentation-index.html appears to list many referential How to's but not core framework architecture. I know there is a little bit in many of the reference samples. But is there a paper on module architecture and core objects. Other than the javadoc I mean. francisco On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: our wiki has links to various articles that might be of help to you. browsing the wiki is usually also good. -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I am about to buy this book called pro wicket http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Wicket-Experts-Voice-Java/dp/1590597222/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-4798570-8657439?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1178205890sr=8-1 . But until it gets here (Argentina) would anyone point me in the right direction to read something on-line. What I am looking for is a tutorial / reference / on-line book / etc. covering the CORE, architecture, vision, a guide on how to structure your design. I have very successfully built a good enough demo, so I got around the reference samples, some docs, and this mailing list. But I cannot say at all that I know wicket. I would very much like to learn more about its internals 'cause I think that will also guide me to better designs by knowing more of wicket potentials. Thanks in advance, f(t) PS: Does the name wicket comes from being a real wicked as in cool or awsome framework or from the name of the cutest EWOK on Episode 6? XD. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it
Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
Anyway Francisco is right, I'm also thinking that Wicket is really missing a good tutorial about core concepts. I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. Wicket is really a good framework that covers every details of the web application stack (and they are many and many not just web page rendering ..), but I'm thinking that a good tutorial about Wicket core concepts would be very useful to novice users as well as experts. Thank you. - Paolo On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as far as models go http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Working+with+Wicket+models -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be glad to help out in any way. Here are my thoughts to the community. If we could talk about core wiket ideas and implementations, for instance: Models (Concept, interfaces, implementations) Session Application Pages Listeners Versioning Request and Response Cycles Page Life Cycle. The thing is, it is not the same (AT ALL) to build a wicket application than it is to build a struts application (Other than struts sucks :P) which are the concepts and design guidelines we should have? That is what I am trying to address. Because of my current infinite ignorance, I might not be the right person to build this type of document. Although I could write some docs after I get an Idea from the Book Pro-Wicket or Wicket-Pro (don't remember just know) and migrate to 1.3, and do some other demos. I think I could start writing in about a month or so. Other than that any thing else I could do would be nice to help out. Regards, f(t) On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont think we have something that is focused on the core architecture. if you have specific questions we will be happy to answer them and maybe you can compile them into a document. it is hard to find time to work specifically on high level documentation because this list, coding, jira, javadoc, etc take up a lot of time. by the time someone gets to a point where they have enough knowledge to write such docs they are usually buried in fixing bugs :) -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H igor, thanks, but could you be more specific. I do think I browsed the wiki but couldn't find what I was looking for. For instance: http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/documentation-index.html appears to list many referential How to's but not core framework architecture. I know there is a little bit in many of the reference samples. But is there a paper on module architecture and core objects. Other than the javadoc I mean. francisco On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: our wiki has links to various articles that might be of help to you. browsing the wiki is usually also good. -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I am about to buy this book called pro wicket http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Wicket-Experts-Voice-Java/dp/1590597222/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-4798570-8657439?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1178205890sr=8-1 . But until it gets here (Argentina) would anyone point me in the right direction to read something on-line. What I am looking for is a tutorial / reference / on-line book / etc. covering the CORE, architecture, vision, a guide on how to structure your design. I have very successfully built a good enough demo, so I got around the reference samples, some docs, and this mailing list. But I cannot say at all that I know wicket. I would very much like to learn more about its internals 'cause I think that will also guide me to better designs by knowing more of wicket potentials. Thanks in advance, f(t) PS: Does the name wicket comes from being a real wicked as in cool or awsome framework or from the name of the cutest EWOK on Episode 6? XD. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of
Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. me too, I also think some more core concept needs more documentation, pro wicket is nice and can get you going with tables, ajax, pages, tabbedpanel etc, but 300pages does not reach to the point of explaining tons of stuffs, especially with new 1.3 features. I was waiting Wicket in action, any news still after the constructor changes drop? Matthew Paolo Di Tommaso wrote: Anyway Francisco is right, I'm also thinking that Wicket is really missing a good tutorial about core concepts. I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. Wicket is really a good framework that covers every details of the web application stack (and they are many and many not just web page rendering ..), but I'm thinking that a good tutorial about Wicket core concepts would be very useful to novice users as well as experts. Thank you. - Paolo On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as far as models go http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Working+with+Wicket+models -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be glad to help out in any way. Here are my thoughts to the community. If we could talk about core wiket ideas and implementations, for instance: Models (Concept, interfaces, implementations) Session Application Pages Listeners Versioning Request and Response Cycles Page Life Cycle. The thing is, it is not the same (AT ALL) to build a wicket application than it is to build a struts application (Other than struts sucks :P) which are the concepts and design guidelines we should have? That is what I am trying to address. Because of my current infinite ignorance, I might not be the right person to build this type of document. Although I could write some docs after I get an Idea from the Book Pro-Wicket or Wicket-Pro (don't remember just know) and migrate to 1.3, and do some other demos. I think I could start writing in about a month or so. Other than that any thing else I could do would be nice to help out. Regards, f(t) On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont think we have something that is focused on the core architecture. if you have specific questions we will be happy to answer them and maybe you can compile them into a document. it is hard to find time to work specifically on high level documentation because this list, coding, jira, javadoc, etc take up a lot of time. by the time someone gets to a point where they have enough knowledge to write such docs they are usually buried in fixing bugs :) -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H igor, thanks, but could you be more specific. I do think I browsed the wiki but couldn't find what I was looking for. For instance: http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/documentation-index.html appears to list many referential How to's but not core framework architecture. I know there is a little bit in many of the reference samples. But is there a paper on module architecture and core objects. Other than the javadoc I mean. francisco On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: our wiki has links to various articles that might be of help to you. browsing the wiki is usually also good. -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I am about to buy this book called pro wicket http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Wicket-Experts-Voice-Java/dp/1590597222/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-4798570-8657439?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1178205890sr=8-1 . But until it gets here (Argentina) would anyone point me in the right direction to read something on-line. What I am looking for is a tutorial / reference / on-line book / etc. covering the CORE, architecture, vision, a guide on how to structure your design. I have very successfully built a good enough demo, so I got around the reference samples, some docs, and this mailing list. But I cannot say at all that I know wicket. I would very much like to learn more about its internals 'cause I think that will also guide me to better designs by knowing more of wicket potentials. Thanks in advance, f(t) PS: Does the name wicket comes from being a real wicked as in cool or awsome framework or from the name of the cutest EWOK on Episode 6? XD.
Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
Can we vote on this issue? can I call this an issue? Igor gracefully pointed me to the Model article in the wiki, but this article is mostly Object Structure, and How to Apply it... but lacks a little on how is model updated and passed throughout the framework. It surely taught me though. :) Is it possible to ask understood community members to divide papers or small overview articles on different aspects like the ones listed below? And therefore we might have some good data to compile into a nice PDF regarding Wicket's inner workings and architecture. With a good paper like that one, the goal would be to auto-answer questions like this one: *Is it possible to use setMarkupStream to assign html to a web page?* (posted a minute ago by Thomas R. Corbin) This is a question regarding inner workings, because the Answer is some IMarkupResourceStreamProvider, and where is this information a part from articles on How-To's. Wicket is Awsome, this should be written on some paper showing architecture and core components behavior. regards to all, -f(t) On 5/3/07, Matthew Kwong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. me too, I also think some more core concept needs more documentation, pro wicket is nice and can get you going with tables, ajax, pages, tabbedpanel etc, but 300pages does not reach to the point of explaining tons of stuffs, especially with new 1.3 features. I was waiting Wicket in action, any news still after the constructor changes drop? Matthew Paolo Di Tommaso wrote: Anyway Francisco is right, I'm also thinking that Wicket is really missing a good tutorial about core concepts. I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. Wicket is really a good framework that covers every details of the web application stack (and they are many and many not just web page rendering ..), but I'm thinking that a good tutorial about Wicket core concepts would be very useful to novice users as well as experts. Thank you. - Paolo On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as far as models go http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Working+with+Wicket+models -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be glad to help out in any way. Here are my thoughts to the community. If we could talk about core wiket ideas and implementations, for instance: Models (Concept, interfaces, implementations) Session Application Pages Listeners Versioning Request and Response Cycles Page Life Cycle. The thing is, it is not the same (AT ALL) to build a wicket application than it is to build a struts application (Other than struts sucks :P) which are the concepts and design guidelines we should have? That is what I am trying to address. Because of my current infinite ignorance, I might not be the right person to build this type of document. Although I could write some docs after I get an Idea from the Book Pro-Wicket or Wicket-Pro (don't remember just know) and migrate to 1.3, and do some other demos. I think I could start writing in about a month or so. Other than that any thing else I could do would be nice to help out. Regards, f(t) On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont think we have something that is focused on the core architecture. if you have specific questions we will be happy to answer them and maybe you can compile them into a document. it is hard to find time to work specifically on high level documentation because this list, coding, jira, javadoc, etc take up a lot of time. by the time someone gets to a point where they have enough knowledge to write such docs they are usually buried in fixing bugs :) -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H igor, thanks, but could you be more specific. I do think I browsed the wiki but couldn't find what I was looking for. For instance: http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/documentation-index.html appears to list many referential How to's but not core framework architecture. I know there is a little bit in many of the reference samples. But is there a paper on module architecture and core objects. Other than the javadoc I mean. francisco On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: our wiki has links to various articles that might be of help to you. browsing the wiki is usually also good. -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I am about to buy this book called
Re: [Wicket-user] Good Tutorial on core wicket
you can feel free to vote, but i would warn to expect very little help from the core committer group. like i said, between doing everything else we have no time to write a book. in fact eelco and martijn are working on wicket in action and so definetely do not have time to write another. i dont know if they are planning on having chapters that cover this stuff. you might want to discuss that with them. maybe they are willing to add user contributions to the book on this, maybe not, maybe they are already writing about this. what we are available for is to answer specific questions. the rest is up to the users. we have the wiki, feel free to collaborate with others and ask us for clarifications/reviews. my 2c. -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we vote on this issue? can I call this an issue? Igor gracefully pointed me to the Model article in the wiki, but this article is mostly Object Structure, and How to Apply it... but lacks a little on how is model updated and passed throughout the framework. It surely taught me though. :) Is it possible to ask understood community members to divide papers or small overview articles on different aspects like the ones listed below? And therefore we might have some good data to compile into a nice PDF regarding Wicket's inner workings and architecture. With a good paper like that one, the goal would be to auto-answer questions like this one: *Is it possible to use setMarkupStream to assign html to a web page?* (posted a minute ago by Thomas R. Corbin) This is a question regarding inner workings, because the Answer is some IMarkupResourceStreamProvider, and where is this information a part from articles on How-To's. Wicket is Awsome, this should be written on some paper showing architecture and core components behavior. regards to all, -f(t) On 5/3/07, Matthew Kwong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. me too, I also think some more core concept needs more documentation, pro wicket is nice and can get you going with tables, ajax, pages, tabbedpanel etc, but 300pages does not reach to the point of explaining tons of stuffs, especially with new 1.3 features. I was waiting Wicket in action, any news still after the constructor changes drop? Matthew Paolo Di Tommaso wrote: Anyway Francisco is right, I'm also thinking that Wicket is really missing a good tutorial about core concepts. I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. Wicket is really a good framework that covers every details of the web application stack (and they are many and many not just web page rendering ..), but I'm thinking that a good tutorial about Wicket core concepts would be very useful to novice users as well as experts. Thank you. - Paolo On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as far as models go http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Working+with+Wicket+models -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be glad to help out in any way. Here are my thoughts to the community. If we could talk about core wiket ideas and implementations, for instance: Models (Concept, interfaces, implementations) Session Application Pages Listeners Versioning Request and Response Cycles Page Life Cycle. The thing is, it is not the same (AT ALL) to build a wicket application than it is to build a struts application (Other than struts sucks :P) which are the concepts and design guidelines we should have? That is what I am trying to address. Because of my current infinite ignorance, I might not be the right person to build this type of document. Although I could write some docs after I get an Idea from the Book Pro-Wicket or Wicket-Pro (don't remember just know) and migrate to 1.3, and do some other demos. I think I could start writing in about a month or so. Other than that any thing else I could do would be nice to help out. Regards, f(t) On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont think we have something that is focused on the core architecture. if you have specific questions we will be happy to answer them and maybe you can compile them into a document. it is hard to find time to work specifically on high level documentation because this list, coding, jira, javadoc, etc take up a lot of time. by the time someone gets to a point where they have enough knowledge to write such docs they are usually buried in fixing bugs :) -igor
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the models wiki page is a perfect example of a user-contributed documentation where core committers only reviewed and gave feedback. -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we vote on this issue? can I call this an issue? Igor gracefully pointed me to the Model article in the wiki, but this article is mostly Object Structure, and How to Apply it... but lacks a little on how is model updated and passed throughout the framework. It surely taught me though. :) Is it possible to ask understood community members to divide papers or small overview articles on different aspects like the ones listed below? And therefore we might have some good data to compile into a nice PDF regarding Wicket's inner workings and architecture. With a good paper like that one, the goal would be to auto-answer questions like this one: *Is it possible to use setMarkupStream to assign html to a web page?* (posted a minute ago by Thomas R. Corbin) This is a question regarding inner workings, because the Answer is some IMarkupResourceStreamProvider, and where is this information a part from articles on How-To's. Wicket is Awsome, this should be written on some paper showing architecture and core components behavior. regards to all, -f(t) On 5/3/07, Matthew Kwong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. me too, I also think some more core concept needs more documentation, pro wicket is nice and can get you going with tables, ajax, pages, tabbedpanel etc, but 300pages does not reach to the point of explaining tons of stuffs, especially with new 1.3 features. I was waiting Wicket in action, any news still after the constructor changes drop? Matthew Paolo Di Tommaso wrote: Anyway Francisco is right, I'm also thinking that Wicket is really missing a good tutorial about core concepts. I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. Wicket is really a good framework that covers every details of the web application stack (and they are many and many not just web page rendering ..), but I'm thinking that a good tutorial about Wicket core concepts would be very useful to novice users as well as experts. Thank you. - Paolo On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as far as models go http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Working+with+Wicket+models -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be glad to help out in any way. Here are my thoughts to the community. If we could talk about core wiket ideas and implementations, for instance: Models (Concept, interfaces, implementations) Session Application Pages Listeners Versioning Request and Response Cycles Page Life Cycle. The thing is, it is not the same (AT ALL) to build a wicket application than it is to build a struts application (Other than struts sucks :P) which are the concepts and design guidelines we should have? That is what I am trying to address. Because of my current infinite ignorance, I might not be the right person to build this type of document. Although I could write some docs after I get an Idea from the Book Pro-Wicket or Wicket-Pro (don't remember just know) and migrate to 1.3, and do some other demos. I think I could start writing in about a month or so. Other than that any thing else I could do would be nice to help out. Regards, f(t) On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont think we have something that is focused on the core architecture. if you have specific questions we will be happy to answer them and maybe you can compile them into a document. it is hard to find time to work specifically on high level documentation because this list, coding, jira, javadoc, etc take up a lot of time. by the time someone gets to a point where they have enough knowledge to write such docs they are usually buried in fixing bugs :) -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H igor, thanks, but could you be more specific. I do think I browsed the wiki but couldn't find what I was looking for. For instance: http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/documentation-index.html appears to list many referential How to's but not core framework architecture. I know there is a little bit in many of the reference samples. But is there a paper on module architecture and core objects. Other than the javadoc I mean.
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LOL @ my 2c. My intension is not to point a defect or assign responsibility but to highlight a nice to have document/paper/whatever to address architecture design and core framework inner workings. If Elco is reading this, or Martijn, then please guys, put a chapter on it, or put some chapters on core framework. It would make an important book to have on wicket. regards to all, f(t) PS: Unanswered question, is it or not Wicket named after the ewok? ¬_¬' On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can feel free to vote, but i would warn to expect very little help from the core committer group. like i said, between doing everything else we have no time to write a book. in fact eelco and martijn are working on wicket in action and so definetely do not have time to write another. i dont know if they are planning on having chapters that cover this stuff. you might want to discuss that with them. maybe they are willing to add user contributions to the book on this, maybe not, maybe they are already writing about this. what we are available for is to answer specific questions. the rest is up to the users. we have the wiki, feel free to collaborate with others and ask us for clarifications/reviews. my 2c. -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we vote on this issue? can I call this an issue? Igor gracefully pointed me to the Model article in the wiki, but this article is mostly Object Structure, and How to Apply it... but lacks a little on how is model updated and passed throughout the framework. It surely taught me though. :) Is it possible to ask understood community members to divide papers or small overview articles on different aspects like the ones listed below? And therefore we might have some good data to compile into a nice PDF regarding Wicket's inner workings and architecture. With a good paper like that one, the goal would be to auto-answer questions like this one: *Is it possible to use setMarkupStream to assign html to a web page?* (posted a minute ago by Thomas R. Corbin) This is a question regarding inner workings, because the Answer is some IMarkupResourceStreamProvider, and where is this information a part from articles on How-To's. Wicket is Awsome, this should be written on some paper showing architecture and core components behavior. regards to all, -f(t) On 5/3/07, Matthew Kwong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. me too, I also think some more core concept needs more documentation, pro wicket is nice and can get you going with tables, ajax, pages, tabbedpanel etc, but 300pages does not reach to the point of explaining tons of stuffs, especially with new 1.3 features. I was waiting Wicket in action, any news still after the constructor changes drop? Matthew Paolo Di Tommaso wrote: Anyway Francisco is right, I'm also thinking that Wicket is really missing a good tutorial about core concepts. I'm not new to Wicket, I'm using it for about a year, but there still a lot aspects obscure to me like PageMap, page versioning, details of page request cycle and so on. Wicket is really a good framework that covers every details of the web application stack (and they are many and many not just web page rendering ..), but I'm thinking that a good tutorial about Wicket core concepts would be very useful to novice users as well as experts. Thank you. - Paolo On 5/3/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as far as models go http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Working+with+Wicket+models -igor On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be glad to help out in any way. Here are my thoughts to the community. If we could talk about core wiket ideas and implementations, for instance: Models (Concept, interfaces, implementations) Session Application Pages Listeners Versioning Request and Response Cycles Page Life Cycle. The thing is, it is not the same (AT ALL) to build a wicket application than it is to build a struts application (Other than struts sucks :P) which are the concepts and design guidelines we should have? That is what I am trying to address. Because of my current infinite ignorance, I might not be the right person to build this type of document. Although I could write some docs after I get an Idea from the Book Pro-Wicket or Wicket-Pro (don't remember just know) and migrate to 1.3, and do some other demos. I think I could start writing in about a month or so. Other than that any thing
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On 5/3/07, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL @ my 2c. i dont speak for everyone on the team -igor - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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Have you seen this in the wiki? It's a reasonable start on the sort of thing that I _think_ you're asking for. http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/lifecycle-of-a-wicket-application.html Scott - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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I wonder why the indentation is all screwed up for the code at the bottom, the markup text looks correct to me... Gili Scott Swank wrote: Have you seen this in the wiki? It's a reasonable start on the sort of thing that I _think_ you're asking for. http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/lifecycle-of-a-wicket-application.html Scott - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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it is out of date for 1.3 -igor On 5/3/07, Scott Swank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you seen this in the wiki? It's a reasonable start on the sort of thing that I _think_ you're asking for. http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/lifecycle-of-a-wicket-application.html Scott - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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I was waiting Wicket in action, any news still after the constructor changes drop? *Still* working on it. Sorry. I've stopped giving estimates as it looks like it's bad luck to give em anyways ;) We're at about 3/4, but with all the changes recently done, and a couple still upcoming and all the other things going on, we'll need a bit of time still. Eelco - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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PS: Unanswered question, is it or not Wicket named after the ewok? ¬_¬' I think it's the 'door in door' Wicket Jonathan originally was thinking off. But to my knowledge, he put more effort in naming the classes of the framework, than the name itself ;) Eelco - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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On 5/4/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can feel free to vote, but i would warn to expect very little help from the core committer group. like i said, between doing everything else we have no time to write a book. in fact eelco and martijn are working on wicket in action and so definetely do not have time to write another. i dont know if they are planning on having chapters that cover this stuff. you might want to discuss that with them. maybe they are willing to add user contributions to the book on this, maybe not, maybe they are already writing about this. what we are available for is to answer specific questions. the rest is up to the users. we have the wiki, feel free to collaborate with others and ask us for clarifications/reviews. my 2c. I agree. And as great as having better documentation would be, we're still giving priority to this list, IRC and fixing bugs and implementing improvements. So I'd say we're better at supporting our current users, than making it easy for new ones to join in. Best thing that can happen is just someone taking it up. Some users have been very helpful with the Wicket (probably at least half of the content is written by users, not team members), and that's really great. Maybe someday someone will take up the job to write the ultimate guide to Wicket. He/ she would should get all the help we could give. :) Eelco - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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Right. I'll take this last mail to respond others as well. Sorry to hear your book is still on production as I've read some great articles and blogs and I was looking foward to reading the book. But nevertheless it seams very positive that the reason is so many fixes and upcoming good features. To Scot. Thanks, yes I've read it. And it was helpful. I'll still say that for me, the great magic behind wicket is inside of it, and there is litle written about it. Great achievements in wicket, come, in my opinion, from knowing how it works inside. But I also agree 110% that priority comes first for helping others and improving the framework. best wishes, frank On 5/3/07, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/4/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can feel free to vote, but i would warn to expect very little help from the core committer group. like i said, between doing everything else we have no time to write a book. in fact eelco and martijn are working on wicket in action and so definetely do not have time to write another. i dont know if they are planning on having chapters that cover this stuff. you might want to discuss that with them. maybe they are willing to add user contributions to the book on this, maybe not, maybe they are already writing about this. what we are available for is to answer specific questions. the rest is up to the users. we have the wiki, feel free to collaborate with others and ask us for clarifications/reviews. my 2c. I agree. And as great as having better documentation would be, we're still giving priority to this list, IRC and fixing bugs and implementing improvements. So I'd say we're better at supporting our current users, than making it easy for new ones to join in. Best thing that can happen is just someone taking it up. Some users have been very helpful with the Wicket (probably at least half of the content is written by users, not team members), and that's really great. Maybe someday someone will take up the job to write the ultimate guide to Wicket. He/ she would should get all the help we could give. :) Eelco - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
