Re: [Wiki-research-l] The role of English Wikipedia's top content creators in perpetuating gender bias

2014-02-23 Thread Jane Darnell
Funny you should interpret me that way. I think my point is twofold; namely Wikipedia is only a reflection of its sources, and that it's sources show an odd set of demographics no matter how you slice and dice the data. Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2014, at 2:59 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The role of English Wikipedia's top content creators in perpetuating gender bias

2014-02-23 Thread Laura Hale
I would love to know more about the damage, and what research has been done on the negative impacts of bringing awareness to the issues of a lack of representation of both women as contributors and as subjects of article has done to the cause of increasing this. The limited research on this

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The role of English Wikipedia's top content creators in perpetuating gender bias

2014-02-23 Thread Jane Darnell
Laura, I am of course only a sample of one, but in my experience based on the issues discussed at length in workshops and on the gendergap mailing list, often what is perceived to be anti-female behavior is enough to drive women away. Men, when perceiving anti-male behavior tend to do the

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The role of English Wikipedia's top content creators in perpetuating gender bias

2014-02-23 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Jane Darnell, 23/02/2014 10:37: Men, when perceiving anti-male behavior tend to do the opposite, namely they become aggressive and stand their ground. True, and in laughable ways even. Is such an attitude, however, so peculiarly true of this male label, which seems so secondary and useless?

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The role of English Wikipedia's top content creators in perpetuating gender bias

2014-02-23 Thread Jane Darnell
Nemo, that is so cool you said that, because it proves as I have long suspected that I have developed some sort of blind eye to such things. I recognized your snippy response as only being a knee-jerk reaction to a perceived anti-Italian remark, not to an anti-male remark! Anyway as I said in

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The role of English Wikipedia's top content creators in perpetuating gender bias

2014-02-23 Thread Jane Darnell
David, I think we are both on the same page, but I am a bit farther in my thinking about HOW you can illustrate the biases. The mobile team coined the phrase 'ghost edits' to mean the edits we don't make while on mobile devices (I am on my iPad right now and experienced a ghost edit which will

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The role of English Wikipedia's top content creators in perpetuating gender bias

2014-02-23 Thread Stuart A. Yeates
Not discounting the excellent points made above, I can't help but feel that there are groups that have been fighting discrimination in institutions for decades and that maybe we need to work with them rather than reinvent a non-straight-white-male-wheel ourselves. People like