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--- Comment #290 from David E. Siegel sie...@acm.org 2009-05-25 22:01:52 UTC
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HOWEVER, I think it would be better to simply revert ALL of the changes
associated with this bug, and to close the bug as
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--- Comment #283 from Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org 2009-04-11
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This wikitext:
{{#formatdate:January 15}}
Produces this page text:
January 1, 5
Surely that's not correct.
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--- Comment #284 from Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr 2009-04-11 16:33:02
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Why not simply: ( *, *| +) ?
This seems a trivial change that explicitly wants a single comma with optional
surrounding spaces, or at least one space.
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--- Comment #270 from S. McCandlish [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-05 09:23:41
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I can resignedly go along with Bill's idea (third patch), though it doesn't
seem optimum to me. I can't agree with the idea that the sea of blue isn't a
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--- Comment #273 from Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-05 16:07:13 UTC
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I can't see how ordinary editors can be said to win by being prevented
from making links to dates in the normal way they make links
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--- Comment #275 from Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-05 17:20:54 UTC
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who would have to learn a different linking syntax specially for dates
There's *already* a different linking syntax for dates, and
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--- Comment #276 from Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-05 17:24:02 UTC
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Either way, the patch will eventually no longer be needed, either because an
improved date autoformatting function has been created
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--- Comment #266 from Le Chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-03 08:56:38 UTC ---
Seems to me that all the devs need to do is to provide a magic word for user
locale (value dependent on user preference or browser information); it would
then be up
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--- Comment #268 from Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-03 20:26:46 UTC
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Once editors/bots begin mass de-linking dates (and the RFCs indicate
that this is going to happen) there will be no horse to put
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--- Comment #269 from cypsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-03 22:34:16 UTC ---
... used the lack of response on this bug as an excuse.
Its a valid point. Cf. comment #35 of 16 December 2006
Lack of response is also a response. Its not an
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--- Comment #264 from S. McCandlish [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-02 10:53:41
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Discussion on the English Wikipedia Manual
of Style (dates and numbers) seems to be building a consensus to not do
autoformatting, especially if
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--- Comment #265 from Alexfusco5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-02 22:54:13 UTC
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Discussion on the English Wikipedia Manual
of Style (dates and numbers) seems to be building a consensus to not do
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--- Comment #256 from Mr.Z-man [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-01 20:52:23 UTC ---
We don't really seem to be getting anywhere here, I think at the least we need
to summarize the options. Here's a list of the ones I've noted, some can be
combined
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--- Comment #257 from S. McCandlish [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-01 22:25:06
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That list seems to be missing the main one proposed, for which a patch has
already been written:
7. [[date]] would autoformat but NOT link, just as
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--- Comment #259 from Mr.Z-man [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-01 23:52:39 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #257)
That list seems to be missing the main one proposed, for which a patch has
already been written:
7. [[date]] would autoformat but
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--- Comment #260 from Voyagerfan5761 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-02 00:30:37
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That list seems to be missing the main one proposed, for which a patch has
already been written:
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--- Comment #261 from Mr.Z-man [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-02 00:48:09 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #260)
(In reply to comment #259)
(In reply to comment #257)
That list seems to be missing the main one proposed, for which a patch has
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--- Comment #262 from Gerry Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-02 03:34:13 UTC
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VoyagerFan5761 asks why not do #7. Discussion on the English Wikipedia Manual
of Style (dates and numbers) seems to be building a consensus to not do
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--- Comment #254 from Alexfusco5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-30 23:32:57 UTC
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@MrZman that was the point, [[:]] only creates a link and if its wrapped in
[[]] (the link syntax that is) its both linked and autoformatted.
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--- Comment #255 from S. McCandlish [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-01 00:08:50
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Yeah! Two hacks introduced recently in English Wikipedia (and badly
documented), two errors, and now you're thinking about compatiblity elsewhere ?
No. you
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--- Comment #248 from Mr.Z-man [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-30 03:52:38 UTC ---
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*All dates with [[:]] will be autoformatted and linked
Isn't that sort of the opposite of current behavior? I thought currently
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--- Comment #244 from cypsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-27 21:46:47 UTC ---
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(In reply to comment #236)
Which patch?
#1 is out of the question, as Bill points out.
#2, #3 and #4 all prevent linked dates from
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--- Comment #246 from S. McCandlish [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-28 06:29:51
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Just because the English Wikipedia decided it doesn't
think dates should be linked anymore, doesn't mean we should force that on
every user of MediaWiki.
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--- Comment #232 from Stephen Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-26 08:41:17
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The request is to separate the syntax for date autoformatting from the syntax
for linking. At the moment they both use the same syntax, so it's impossible
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--- Comment #236 from Mr.Z-man [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-26 17:00:01 UTC ---
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(In reply to comment #233)
then that should be fairly trivial to fix (just rewrite whatever code
does the autoformatting so that
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--- Comment #240 from Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-26 20:21:17 UTC
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Also I don't support the unneeded special wiki syntax for formatting dates.
This is not needed at all !
Using an alternate markup
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--- Comment #242 from Philippe Verdy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-26 23:00:01
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That's simple: if you implemented user-specific data formatting, keep the
syntax you have adopted for Wiki, but make it generate a generic format that
will
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--- Comment #223 from Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-25 22:23:40 UTC
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Note that the way Wikimedia's caching works, anons will only be able
to see one style of date links without significantly reducing
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--- Comment #224 from Masem [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-25 22:29:43 UTC ---
FWIW, in reply to Bill's comment on closing the bug, I will point out a current
RFC where it was asked if editors feel Date Autoformatting is desirable, see
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--- Comment #225 from Omegatron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-25 22:34:32 UTC ---
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Yep. That's pretty much a show-stopper, too. At best we'd be able to fool
the squid cache into treating the MDY and DMY versions of
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--- Comment #227 from Mr.Z-man [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-25 23:03:07 UTC ---
So this request is to just change the default date preference formats on the
English Wikipedia ($wgDefaultUserOptions), and have the parser wrap them in a
span?
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--- Comment #228 from S. McCandlish [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-26 03:55:08
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So this request is to just change the default date preference formats on the
English Wikipedia ($wgDefaultUserOptions), and have
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--- Comment #229 from Mr.Z-man [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-26 06:04:37 UTC ---
Okay, nobody's going to do this if they have to read through 2 years worth of
comments to figure out what's going on. When I first saw this, the plan seemed
to be
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--- Comment #231 from Le Chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-11-26 07:57:16 UTC ---
rantWhy not just NOT DO THIS? What is the problem it's trying to solve? I'm
just amazed that a colour-of-the-bikeshed discussion about date formats should
grow to
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