[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #89 from denny vrandecic denny.vrande...@kit.edu 2011-10-07 07:09:51 UTC --- There is an English version of the whole proposal for Wikidata. The German abstract mentioned in Comment 88 is indeed just the translation of the English abstract. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_Wikidata -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Matthias Becker matthiasbecker1...@yahoo.de changed: What|Removed |Added CC||matthiasbecker1...@yahoo.de --- Comment #88 from Matthias Becker matthiasbecker1...@yahoo.de 2011-10-06 19:10:01 UTC --- There has been a related discussion on this started at: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Projektdiskussion/Wikidata German Wikipedia users discuss here what they expect from a central data repository, off course from the (mainly) wikipedians point of view. Pitifully at this moment no english abstract available. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
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[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Reedy s...@reedyboy.net changed: What|Removed |Added Component|Interwiki links |Extension setup -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #86 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il 2011-05-30 13:02:27 UTC --- Nudge :) Is there any technical reason now not to deploy this? (Except developers' being busy with other things...) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #87 from mybugs.m...@gmail.com 2011-05-30 13:18:10 UTC --- It is on the review queue: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/wiki/Review_queue#Extensions but I think the problems mentioned on r82778#code-comments were fixed in subsequent revisions. I don't know the current status of the Server-side migration script mentioned in the queue... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Bug 15607 depends on bug 28194, which changed state. Bug 28194 Summary: Adapt Interlanguage Extension for DB replication and Load Balancing https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28194 What|Old Value |New Value Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution||FIXED -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
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--- Comment #85 from denny vrandecic denny.vrande...@kit.edu 2011-05-13
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I really love the idea of the extension, and think that this will reduce
dramatically maintenance efforts on the Wikipedias.
My concern is that it's design has redundancy, and it is unclear what it means
if the two sides get out of sync.
The local wiki states on page Y:
{{interlanguage:X}}
and the central wiki then links back to Y. So the information that X maps to Y
is still saved at two places (which is still better then the current situation,
where this information is saved in (n = number of language) places instead of
merely in two).
A system that merely uses
{{interlanguage}}
would work, since the central wiki knows the page when it makes the request.
Don't regard this as a blocker though, just mentioning how to make it even
simpler.
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[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #84 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2011-05-09 18:40:32 UTC --- I believe that in r87753 I fixed all the remaining issues. If no new issues appear, the extension is good to go. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Bug 15607 depends on bug 28255, which changed state. Bug 28255 Summary: New hook for for edit toolbox https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28255 What|Old Value |New Value Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution||INVALID -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||bhar...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #82 from Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org 2011-04-13 21:16:27 UTC --- Per Erik's request, I have made a design pass for the interface of this extension. It describes an ideal situation, with notes about minimal improvement. It is available here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Interlanguage/WMF_Design_Pass -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #83 from Erik Moeller moel...@scireview.de 2011-04-13 22:59:05 UTC --- Thanks, Brandon. I agree with all your design recommendations. The main additional point I would make is that it may be more desirable to work towards an inline editor (adds a row with editable cells right on the page) rather than a modal pop-up editor. From a deployment standpoint, can we target having the minimally improved edit links (per Brandon's spec) and the minimally improved table display (already in Tim's list)? For the table, if we have fields like Notes or Descriptions, we'll need a standardized wiki markup representation so that it can be cleanly manipulated either through a UI or through wikitext. Regarding the wiki, I'll go on record as saying that I'd still prefer data.* because it'll avoid renaming nightmares later (and it's quite likely that we'll end up overloading the project with additional features given its currently very narrow scope), but I'll leave it at that to avoid bikeshedding. :-) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #78 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il 2011-04-12 20:24:25 UTC --- Idea: The interlanguage wiki domain can be named http://mul.wikipedia.org . mul is the ISO 639 code for multiple languages. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #79 from Nemo_bis federicol...@tiscali.it 2011-04-12 20:51:03 UTC --- (In reply to comment #78) Idea: The interlanguage wiki domain can be named http://mul.wikipedia.org . mul is the ISO 639 code for multiple languages. In case we created a single wiki for all projects, it would be mul.wikimedia.org; otherwise, this would block bug 13334 for Wikisource and Wikiversity, but this bug is obviously much higher priority. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #80 from Waldir wal...@email.com 2011-04-12 21:20:57 UTC --- I like Erik's suggestion (comment #62) of data.wikimedia.org, since the central repository could later be enhanced with the ability to share other stuff (tabular data for infoboxes, etc). I assume that wouldn't be incompatible with the changes introduced to mediawiki by the Interlanguage extension. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #81 from Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org 2011-04-13 03:56:08 UTC --- I think interlanguage.wikipedia.org is the obvious choice for now, per comment #65. We can have data.wikimedia.org when we have software for it. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #77 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2011-04-06 18:48:15 UTC --- It does point there, I just haven't advertised it ;) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #75 from Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org 2011-04-05 06:47:45 UTC --- I've reviewed it again, see CR. In brief, here's what I need before deployment: * setProperty()/getProperty() in the content wikis. * A LinksUpdate hook in the central wiki. * Table-based content display on the central wiki, per the meta straw poll. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #76 from Erik Moeller moel...@scireview.de 2011-04-05 18:32:15 UTC --- I'm asking Brandon to take a quick additional look at this from an interaction design perspective. Nikola, thanks for making the suggested change. I would also suggest pointing the link directly to action=edit -- yes, there may be permission issues, but for frequent link workers it's probably preferable to have that additional edit action removed from the workflow. And many of the permission issues can IMO be addressed by adding the new link wiki to the auto-login list. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #73 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2011-04-03 07:56:19 UTC --- I added support for edit links below the toolbox in r85233 and r85233. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #74 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2011-04-03 08:00:54 UTC --- The previous comment should read: below the language list in the language box. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #72 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2011-03-30 04:57:49 UTC --- So, in r84997 I have added support for the load balancer. In previous revisions I have (hopefully) fixed all the objections that Tim raised in his code review, or came to the point where further changes in MediaWiki are required to fix them. A new review might be in order. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #71 from Purodha Blissenbach bugzilla.wikime...@publi.purodha.net 2011-03-27 06:32:44 UTC --- (In reply to comment #66) This is already implemented. You can see it on the test wiki: http://enwiki.smolenski.rs/index.php?title=Belgradeaction=edit There's a link at the bottom under the title Pages with interlanguage links. When I follow that blue link at the bottom, and get to the central wiki page, and it does not yet exist, there is a red link as well in the article or article preview. When I follow the red link, I get to another central wiki page named ZZ Top?action=edit for instance. There is a need to treat URLs differently, depending on whether or not an ? is already present in them, before appending another one. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #67 from Erik Moeller moel...@scireview.de 2011-03-26 08:19:12 UTC --- Amir, I'm glad there's a link, but from a usability standpoint this is a pretty terrible implementation. In order to follow that link you have to a) notice it in a place that's already fairly cluttered, b) make the mental connection between interlanguage links and the links that _aren't even visible_ while editing the page. Moreover, the passive Pages with interlanguage links does not suggest any action that can be taken, and indeed, takes me to a view page which then separately has to be edited. I would strongly suggest putting an edit link at the bottom of the language links instead when the page is rendered. Yes, there may be edge cases where multiple such links need to be rendered, but let's not design for edge cases. Yes, the user may not have rights to edit, but again, let's not design for edge cases -- it's more efficient to send them to action=edit, even if that's a view source page in a few rare circumstances. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
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--- Comment #68 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2011-03-26 10:58:09
UTC ---
I can add the edit links to the bottom of the toolbox if that is desirable, but
adding them to the bottom of the language links would require a new MediaWiki
hook so it can't be done as an extension at this point.
Regarding use for multiple projects, it is possible to do it in multiple ways
with slight tweaks. For example, it would be very easy to make each project use
a disambiguation word after a title, and you wouldn't have to type it in on the
project (so on Wikipedia {{interlanguage:category:dog}} fetches the links from
central wiki article [[Category:Dog (Wikipedia)]] and on Wiktionary
{{interlanguage:category:dog}} fetches the links from central wiki article
[[Category:Dog (Wiktionary)]]. Having each project in its separate namespaces
would also be possible but more difficult.
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[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||28255 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #69 from Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org 2011-03-26 18:04:18 UTC --- (In reply to comment #68) I can add the edit links to the bottom of the toolbox if that is desirable, but adding them to the bottom of the language links would require a new MediaWiki hook so it can't be done as an extension at this point. Created Bug #28255 to request the creation of this hook. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
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--- Comment #70 from Purodha Blissenbach bugzilla.wikime...@publi.purodha.net
2011-03-27 05:08:01 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #63)
Since external namespace names do not play any role on the central wiki, we do
not need any for interlanguage linking. Thus, we can use namespaces on the
central wiki to distinguish various kinds of interlanguage links.
Just to clarify: This is not to be misunderstood, I am proposing to keep all
kinds of name space links intermingled in ONE namespace in the central wiki -
after all, name spaces are crosslinked interwikiwise at times, e.g. Portal with
(main), or Help and Project are common examples, so we cannot avoid
crossnamespace links anyways.
I do NOT, however, propose to add a central wiki namespace name in the
{#interwiki...} syntax on individual project wikis. The central wiki namespace
name, if any, should be set once per project wiki when the extension is
installed, and should be implicit from a users standpoint of view. I suggest
using what the pywikipediabot framework calls wiki family for the central
wiki namespace name, but that's a different subject matter.
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--- Comment #65 from Erik Moeller moel...@scireview.de 2011-03-25 07:20:28
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I think deploying to Wikipedia-only without significant feature additions makes
sense for now; that'll give us some real-world usage characteristics.
But, is there a reason to not add at least a manage links link to the bottom
of the language link list of any page that has the {{#interlanguage}}
invocation, pointing to the relevant page? IMO this is a deployment blocker
because without it, the external management interface is not discoverable at
all. Also, if we do deploy, I would suggest putting this new wiki into the list
of auto-login wikis.
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--- Comment #66 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il 2011-03-25
12:48:53 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #65)
But, is there a reason to not add at least a manage links link to the bottom
of the language link list of any page that has the {{#interlanguage}}
invocation, pointing to the relevant page? IMO this is a deployment blocker
because without it, the external management interface is not discoverable at
all. Also, if we do deploy, I would suggest putting this new wiki into the
list
of auto-login wikis.
This is already implemented. You can see it on the test wiki:
http://enwiki.smolenski.rs/index.php?title=Belgradeaction=edit
There's a link at the bottom under the title Pages with interlanguage links.
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[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Erik Moeller moel...@scireview.de changed: What|Removed |Added CC||moel...@scireview.de --- Comment #62 from Erik Moeller moel...@scireview.de 2011-03-24 07:35:52 UTC --- 1) What's the proposed name of the central repository? I would suggest something like data.wikimedia.org so we can potentially expand it in future for other cross-project data sharing. 2) Would this be used for the non-article namespace? If so I assume we'd have to make sure that the central repository has equivalents for all namespaces that are commonly used (including things like Portal:). 3) Would this be used for InterProject links? Potentially any link list could point to any Wikimedia project, and the script could filter it down to something appropriate. For example, if the link lists includes all the Wikipedia articles for Dog, plus all the Wiktionary entries, on the English Wikipedia it could pull the Wikipedia interlanguage links + English Wiktionary, on the German Wikipedia it could pull the German Wikipedia interlanguage links + German Wiktionary, etc. It seems wise to start with Wikipedia only, but I think it's worth thinking about the other projects now. We almost certainly don't want an interlanguage link wiki for each of the multilingual Wikimedia projects, IMO. Bug 708 is also one of the most popular feature requests. 4) Finally, on the user experience side, in addition to formatting the links in the content area (see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/A_newer_look_at_the_interlanguage_link/Central_wiki_style_straw_poll ), I think we'll need to think about how you access the link list in the first place. IMO an edit link in the sidebar that pops up an editing interface on the local wiki would be preferable to sending people to an external site. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #63 from Purodha Blissenbach bugzilla.wikime...@publi.purodha.net 2011-03-24 15:40:01 UTC --- (In reply to comment #62) 2) Would this be used for the non-article namespace? If so I assume we'd have to make sure that the central repository has equivalents for all namespaces that are commonly used (including things like Portal:). Since external namespace names do not play any role on the central wiki, we do not need any for interlanguage linking. Thus, we can use namespaces on the central wiki to distinguish various kinds of interlanguage links. Such as the namespaces Wikipedia:, or Wikipedia-Interlanguage: for the interlanguage links between Wikipedias, and the namespace Wiktionary: for those between Wiktionaries, etc. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
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--- Comment #64 from Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org 2011-03-24 23:47:34
UTC ---
(In reply to comment #62)
1) What's the proposed name of the central repository? I would suggest
something like data.wikimedia.org so we can potentially expand it in future
for
other cross-project data sharing.
I'm not aware of any proposal. The current software makes it necessary to have
one wiki per second-level domain.
2) Would this be used for the non-article namespace?
The software won't restrict it to the main namespace, so yes, I imagine it will
be used for other namespaces.
3) Would this be used for InterProject links?
No.
Potentially any link list could
point to any Wikimedia project, and the script could filter it down to
something appropriate. For example, if the link lists includes all the
Wikipedia articles for Dog, plus all the Wiktionary entries, on the English
Wikipedia it could pull the Wikipedia interlanguage links + English
Wiktionary,
on the German Wikipedia it could pull the German Wikipedia interlanguage links
+ German Wiktionary, etc.
Sure, anything's possible, with sufficient software development resources. But
such resources have not materialised, so I'm just looking to enable this
extension with a few minor tweaks.
If we need to have a stopgap solution, I'd prefer it to be implemented in a way
that doesn't lock us in to a particular architecture going forward. We are
talking about having a special syntax for interlanguage link references in
articles:
{{#interlanguage: Pied Currawong}}
As long as we stick with something simple like that, and don't expose
implementation details to the users on the content wikis, then we can easily
change the data source in the future.
In particular, I don't want to see:
{{#interlanguage: Wikipedia-Interlanguage:Pied Currawong}}
4) Finally, on the user experience side, in addition to formatting the links
in
the content area (see
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/A_newer_look_at_the_interlanguage_link/Central_wiki_style_straw_poll
), I think we'll need to think about how you access the link list in the first
place. IMO an edit link in the sidebar that pops up an editing interface on
the
local wiki would be preferable to sending people to an external site.
Sure, it's possible, if resources can be allocated for it. Note that there will
be a need for policy, review and access control. Nothing is ever simple on a
wiki.
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[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #61 from Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org 2011-03-23 06:25:50 UTC --- Whole extension review on CR r82778. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||28194 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||tstarl...@wikimedia.org --- Comment #60 from Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org 2011-03-22 02:05:21 UTC --- We can't enable extensions that don't allow DB replication and load balancing. CentralAuth and the commons file repo were migrated to use LBFactory long ago. This extension seems to be based on those modules before they were migrated. Basically, instead of configuring complete DB constructor parameters, you just need a DB name, and the rest is done in $wgLBFactoryConf. Then to get a connection, use: $lb = wfGetLB( $dbname ); $dbw = $lb-getDB( DB_MASTER, array(), $dbname ); $dbr = $lb-getDB( DB_SLAVE, array(), $dbname ); -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | --- Comment #59 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2011-03-19 06:02:45 UTC --- (I believe) I fixed all the known problems with the extension, but it still isn't implemented in Wikipedia. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED CC||m...@everybody.org Resolution||FIXED --- Comment #58 from Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org 2011-03-19 04:05:02 UTC --- Marking fixed since Nikola seems to have fixed it. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #57 from HenkvD h...@glind.nl 2011-03-02 19:18:10 UTC --- Indeed my userpage now works :) As well as other users and other namespaces Thanks. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #56 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2011-02-25 01:56:13 UTC --- To be a bit more verbose, in r82539 and now in r82778 I believe I have fixed all the issues raised by other developers to r74204 and r74208. Now someone needs to review the fixes, review the new feature (reading links from a foreign database), and if everything is all right, let's see what is the next step. Also, Henk's userpage now works :) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #55 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2011-02-20 22:00:35 UTC --- I have just committed r82539 with the ability to read the data from a foreign database. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #53 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2010-09-19 08:56:57 UTC --- It is not broken. I am developing a new version, that reads the data directly from the database, and not via the API (it is enabled on enwiki and srwiki IIRC). However, while API version supports reading from various namespaces on the central wiki, the database version does not. Now, the question is should the central wiki keep all the interlanguage links in its main namespace, or should it keep them in their appropriate namespaces? For example, should the template namespace on the central wiki be used for interlanguage links between templates in dependent wikis, or should it be used exclusively for templates of the central wiki, and interlanguage links between templates be kept in the main namespace? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
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--- Comment #54 from HenkvD h...@glind.nl 2010-09-19 11:42:32 UTC ---
For sure the central wiki will also have Users, Categories, Templates etc. that
should have interwikis to the language wikis.
It is not essential that the interlanguage links are stored on other
namespaces, but it would be easier for those cases to link to User:Xxxx instead
of creating an additional page User-Xxxx or so to link to.
Furthermore the page User:Xxxx on the central wiki should have also
{{interlanguage:User-Xxxx}} to be able to really have one central page for
maintaining the interlanguages.
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[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #52 from HenkvD h...@glind.nl 2010-09-18 18:18:24 UTC --- Is the intelanguagelink gadget broken? It does not work any longer om my userpage. (see http://enwiki.smolenski.rs/index.php?title=User:HenkvD). There used to be interlanguage links. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #51 from HenkvD h...@glind.nl 2010-08-09 20:29:00 CEST --- I made an Plan for implementation on http://testwiki.smolenski.rs/index.php?title=Interlanguage_Extension. Let's discuss it there. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #49 from HenkvD h...@glind.nl 2010-07-31 09:07:47 UTC --- I agree: it is not convenient to have go to edit a page. If it is difficult to program an edit link on the in other langs I sugest to just allow test as a language. No programming needed for that. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #50 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2010-07-31 12:13:17 UTC --- That is possible and would require minimal adjustments to the extension. Probably it is also possible for someone who is more versed in Javascript than me to make a gadget for this like there is a gadget for editing categories. However, at this point I would first like to know whether other developers and admins think that the extension is technically good enough to be used, whether the WMF is willing to create a new project, what would be the plan for the extension's deployment, and then we could see what are the finishing touches. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #46 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2010-07-30 20:34:56 UTC --- This is now done too, per Amir's suggestion. The link(s) are displayed below the edit form when the page is edited. The source code is also on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Interlanguage#Source and you can see it in action on http://enwiki.smolenski.rs -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #47 from yonidebest yonideb...@gmail.com 2010-07-30 21:50:56 UTC --- Nikola, it is not convenient to have to edit the page in order to get to the corresponding interlanguage link page. I suggest you add an option in the preferences which will allow the user to add a link to said page also in the in other langs box (at the end, perhaps). on a diff topic, some wikis choose their own order of the interlanguage links. for instance, a wiki would like to have en first, then ru, the ar, and then the rest in alphabetic order according to name. Thus, i suggest a system page be created in which you can define the order of the links. i.e. [[wikimedia:interlanguage links order]]: * en * ru * ar * rest the extention will take this wikisite prefernce into account when adding links to pages. rest can indicate that the rest of the langes should follow, otherwise, only the listed langs be shown. Nikola, good job. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #48 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2010-07-31 05:40:48 UTC --- It is no less convenient than editing interlanguage links is now, and putting the edit link on the in other langs box would be much more difficult. It is possible to set custom sort order by using the $wgInterlanguageExtensionSortPrepend variable. This isn't something that wikis change very often, so I don't think there is need for a MediaWiki page. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #44 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il 2010-07-27 08:12:01 UTC --- (In reply to comment #42) What I miss is the possiblity to edit or link to the list of interwiki when you are for instance on [http://enwiki.smolenski.rs/index.php?title=Los_Serrano Los Serano on enwiki]. I woild suggest some kind of link or button at the In other languages box at tah page. I think that the best idea would be to have on the editing page, like links to template pages: When you edit a page, you see a list of links to templates that it uses below the editing pane. Add a link to the interwiki list there. This is actually the first thing that i wrote on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:A_newer_look_at_the_interlanguage_link (Curiosity: If you google for a newer look, that page is the first result.) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #45 from HenkvD h...@glind.nl 2010-07-27 17:34:51 UTC --- (In reply to comment #43) I could add the edit link, but I have no idea where to put it, how should it work (only for registered users?) or how should it look like... It should work for everybody as unregistered users should be able to understand the interwiki's as well, and they are allowed to edit them too. I would suggest to link the In other laguages text to http://testwiki.smolenski.rs/index.php?title=Los_Serranos From there the users can use the edit button. Alternatively you can link direct to the edit page http://testwiki.smolenski.rs/index.php?title=Los_Serranosaction=edit It would also be possible to add a line like English, called Interlanguage or so, and link to one of the above links, -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 HenkvD h...@glind.nl changed: What|Removed |Added CC||h...@glind.nl --- Comment #42 from HenkvD h...@glind.nl 2010-07-26 17:58:36 UTC --- What I miss is the possiblity to edit or link to the list of interwiki when you are for instance on [http://enwiki.smolenski.rs/index.php?title=Los_Serrano Los Serano on enwiki]. I woild suggest some kind of link or button at the In other languages box at tah page. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #43 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2010-07-27 05:57:14 UTC --- I could add the edit link, but I have no idea where to put it, how should it work (only for registered users?) or how should it look like... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #41 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2010-07-25 20:07:01 UTC --- I have solved the problem of automatic updates. I have made another extension, called Interlanguage Central extension, that works in pair with Interlanguage extension and purges appropriate pages on dependent wikis when interlanguage links are changed on the central wiki. The source code is on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Interlanguage#Source and it is installed on http://testwiki.smolenski.rs -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Al Maghi alfred.ma...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||alfred.ma...@gmail.com --- Comment #40 from Al Maghi alfred.ma...@gmail.com 2010-07-01 16:52:33 UTC --- (In reply to comment #39) To solve the no automatic updates problem, why not pull the interlanguage links into each translated article using AJAX, without caching? The page will render quickly, while the interlanguage links fill in afterward. Good idea! The javascript do not need to be executed if the interwiki section is collapsed. And if JavaScript is not running, a link to the interwiki page should be displayed instead. The Dan Barrett solution is probably solving the update issue, isn't it? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Dan Barrett mediaw...@blazemonger.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mediaw...@blazemonger.com --- Comment #38 from Dan Barrett mediaw...@blazemonger.com 2010-05-17 18:24:02 UTC --- I just came across the Interwiki extension and we tried it in my company. The idea is GREAT, but the lack of automatic updates is VERY confusing for authors, particularly for translators. When new interlanguage links don't show up in articles, people think the wiki is broken. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #39 from Dan Barrett mediaw...@blazemonger.com 2010-05-17 18:26:29 UTC --- To solve the no automatic updates problem, why not pull the interlanguage links into each translated article using AJAX, without caching? The page will render quickly, while the interlanguage links fill in afterward. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #35 from SJ sje...@yahoo.com 2010-03-22 12:21:04 UTC --- Any thoughts on implementing this? It is as badly needed as ever. I tried to explain to a coder at LibrePlanet yesterday how we handly interwiki linking, and his head almost exploded. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #36 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il 2010-03-22 12:33:09 UTC --- (In reply to comment #35) Any thoughts on implementing this? It is as badly needed as ever. I tried to explain to a coder at LibrePlanet yesterday how we handly interwiki linking, and his head almost exploded. Actually a few days ago i had a chat with Nikola, the developer of the extension, and he explained to me in human terms the technical problems that are related to the implementation of this extension, most importantly - that the links on the language wikis may not be updated after they are changed on the interlanguage wiki. This, however, doesn't seem to me half as bad as the current situation with the horrible, endless, sisyphean bot work and the need to solve all conflicts manually - a task that needs to be done, but that only a handful of people dare to do. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #37 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs 2010-03-22 12:43:26 UTC --- Just to clarify, it's not that they may not be updated, it's that right now they are not automatically updated. See http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2010-February/046962.html -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 SJ spidermanneq...@yahoo.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||spidermanneq...@yahoo.com --- Comment #34 from SJ spidermanneq...@yahoo.com 2009-04-18 21:54:17 UTC --- I agree with most of the recent posters : this is a most useful improvement. I hope it gets tested and implemented soon, at least on the small wikis. 1. the overhead of handling bot requests on small wikis, for nothing but interwiki link fixing, is sufficiently large that there is separate global-bot policy addressing it and making their bot flagging more automatic. of course those bots can still misfire, and you want to be able to see what bot edits are being made to actual content and userpages rather than to interwiki lists at the end of content -- having a separate wiki where all these edits can be made together and can have a more limited impact would be handy. 2. We will surely update how this process works over time. It has been broken for many years; we can at least begin to fix it in this way, which many would welcome. 3. It makes sense to me to have a single community / area where everyone doing interwiki link maintenance cna see one another's changes, have their own RC, and discuss interwiki policy across wikis. This will stop flooding small wikis and also create a mroe sustainabile community among the hundreds of people running related bots today -- which you can discover by visiting the village pump of any poor small wiki which is overrun with english-language 'requests' for bot flags, also flooding the bot-flagging process on meta. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Carn c...@narod.ru changed: What|Removed |Added CC||c...@narod.ru --- Comment #33 from Carn c...@narod.ru 2009-03-16 22:42:37 UTC --- If this implement can be added slowly - we need to start it now. Test it in languages projects - we need discussion to begin implementation, we need example to begin discussion - example which most of users can understand - among the articles they used to edit. [[:w:ru:User:Carn|I]] can help to socialize process in ru.wp -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #30 from Melancholie wiki.melancho...@web.de 2009-03-15 17:49:25 UTC --- (In reply to comment #28) Look at a version history like http://nds.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Burkina_Fasoaction=history. It's ridiculous! Between the creation of the article and the most recent update there were 75[!] bot edits just interrupted by three human edits. Between March 2007 and February 2009 there were 52[!] consecutive bot edits. And I did no long search for the most extreme example, the same is true for most country articles and all articles which are likely to have many translations. See also bug 16228 (filter history of edits on bots (hidebots=1)). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #31 from Slavik IVANOV amik...@gmail.com 2009-03-15 18:39:23 UTC --- See also bug 16228 (filter history of edits on bots (hidebots=1)). But: 1. Still many interwiki edits are done by scripts without bot flag, unfortunately. I usually block such bots at os.wiki, if they edit too much, the practice I've borrowed from Tajik admins. 2. Another frequent case is human interwiki change by guests from other wikis: a man comes just to change an interwiki -- then why we have it in the history and why we need to check this edit (before you see the diff, such edits are always suspicious for vandalism). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #32 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.com 2009-03-15 18:41:39 UTC --- (In reply to comment #30) (In reply to comment #28) Look at a version history like http://nds.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Burkina_Fasoaction=history. It's ridiculous! Between the creation of the article and the most recent update there were 75[!] bot edits just interrupted by three human edits. Between March 2007 and February 2009 there were 52[!] consecutive bot edits. And I did no long search for the most extreme example, the same is true for most country articles and all articles which are likely to have many translations. See also bug 16228 (filter history of edits on bots (hidebots=1)). I don't want the bots hidden - i want them to stop doing it and to move to centralized interwiki management. In fact, in the current state of affairs, i very much do want to see what the bots are doing, because sometimes they are not doing the right thing. But this comment does bring up a different problem - if this extension is enabled and the links are edited in a different wiki, i don't see changes of links in my watchlist. It is a disadvantage, although i am ready to live with it, because this extension has enough advantages. I'll write about this problem in the discussion page in meta. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #28 from Marcus Buck w...@marcusbuck.org 2009-03-14 16:58:52 UTC --- If you need several wikis to try it on, put os.wikipedia on the list. I will be very glad to ban all the interwiki bots with their messing the history pages. And nds.wikipedia will gladly join the list of volunteer projects. Look at a version history like http://nds.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Burkina_Fasoaction=history. It's ridiculous! Between the creation of the article and the most recent update there were 75[!] bot edits just interrupted by three human edits. Between March 2007 and February 2009 there were 52[!] consecutive bot edits. And I did no long search for the most extreme example, the same is true for most country articles and all articles which are likely to have many translations. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #29 from ^demon innocentkil...@gmail.com 2009-03-14 22:20:30 UTC --- (In reply to comment #26) I am reading the comments and trying to understand what is the problem with enabling this extension. Naming of the article in the common wiki? Performance? Integration problems with current software? Disagreements of local language communities? Or the fact that this still hasn't been reviewed thoroughly by a senior dev. That coupled with the fact that Brion seemed iffy about the implementation 4 months ago. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #24 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu 2009-02-03 19:38:07 UTC --- (In reply to comment #23) (In reply to comment #18) I think what he's suggestion is rather than put this through Http calls to the API, why not push the data out from the central wiki (via DB) to the target wikis? I am still not sure what Brion was thinking, I have even asked him in a personal email to clarify but it seems he missed it somehow. Perhaps with sort of (selective) transclusion (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion)? I don't see at all what it has to do with this. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 Federico federicol...@tiscali.it changed: What|Removed |Added CC||federicol...@tiscali.it --- Comment #23 from Federico federicol...@tiscali.it 2009-02-03 07:48:30 UTC --- (In reply to comment #18) I think what he's suggestion is rather than put this through Http calls to the API, why not push the data out from the central wiki (via DB) to the target wikis? Perhaps with sort of (selective) transclusion (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion)? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #17 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.com 2008-12-12 08:24:16 UTC --- We've got a site with shared databases and the ability to queue updates automatically on the server side... take advantage of it! I don't understand which updates are you talking about. Do you propose to leave the current interwiki linking scheme but queue a bot on the main server to update the pages? It doesn't help much, because an edit action is still recorded in the page's history and shows up in RC and the watchlist. Using this extension the update is immediate and only one edit action is needed. Or did i completely misunderstand Brion? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #19 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.com 2008-12-12 11:51:48 UTC --- (In reply to comment #18) (In reply to comment #17) We've got a site with shared databases and the ability to queue updates automatically on the server side... take advantage of it! I don't understand which updates are you talking about. ... ... did i completely misunderstand Brion? I think what he's suggestion is rather than put this through Http calls to the API, why not push the data out from the central wiki (via DB) to the target wikis? I suppose that it's OK to push updates in batches if it may hurt performance. It is still better than having to edit pages in several wikis just to update one link or to see endless bot updates. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 yonidebest yonideb...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||yonideb...@gmail.com --- Comment #20 from yonidebest yonideb...@gmail.com 2008-12-12 12:02:21 UTC --- One note regarding implementation features: The Hebrew Wikipedia has the interwikis ordered differently than in the English Wikipedia. The basic rule is that the English interwiki is always first, and the rest are followed alphabetically. I am sure that other Wikipedias have custom rules of their own, so this feature should be taken into account. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #21 from Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.com 2008-12-12 12:10:55 UTC --- (In reply to comment #20) One note regarding implementation features: The Hebrew Wikipedia has the interwikis ordered differently than in the English Wikipedia. The basic rule is that the English interwiki is always first, and the rest are followed alphabetically. I am sure that other Wikipedias have custom rules of their own, so this feature should be taken into account. Thanks for the comment - it is discussed here: * http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:A_newer_look_at_the_interlanguage_link * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2867 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
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--- Comment #22 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu 2008-12-12 12:14:26
UTC ---
The extension supports custom sorting orders, so that is not a problem. In
hewiki's configuration, just add
$wgInterlanguageExtensionSortPrepend = array('en');
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[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #13 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2008-12-11 21:20:28 UTC --- I don't quite understand what this extension is meant to accomplish, or how the workflow is envisioned. What are the user interface and performance considerations? The lack of automatic updates seems less than ideal, as does the multiple fetching of link data over the HTTP API on every page render. Management UI by manual editing of offsite pages looks pretty ugly; what could be done to improve this? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 --- Comment #14 from Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu 2008-12-11 22:02:21 UTC --- General idea is to ease work with interlanguage links and improve their contemporarity by centralizing their maintenance. Workflow: whenever someone creates a new page, he/she should add an interlanguage link to it, but on the central wiki instead of the wiki where the page is; alternatively, this could be done by a bot like it often is today. User interfact considerations: it should be easier to maintain a single link than a dozen of interlanguage links; it should be easier to do nothing than to operate a herd of bots. I tried to initiate discussion on performance considerations on Wikitech-l to which, wisely, no one answered. The lack of automatic updates should not pose a problem, since updates will likely still happen more often than bot updates would, and also they could be automated if needed (by bots that would purge pages with new interlanguage links). The multiple fetching of link data over the API could be a problem, see performance considerations comment above. On the other hand, this multiple fetching may still be better for wikis that (should) have more bot edits than real edits. Perhaps using a few wikis to experiment could give better answer to this question. The extension isn't all-or-nothing, it's compatible with current interlanguage link system, and not every project has to have it. Manual editing of offsite pages may seem unwieldy, but on the other hand it requires little retraining of editors. You could say the same WRT Commons: why wouldn't any image uploaded to any wiki be available to every wiki? Well, it isn't, and what we have is the second best. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
[Bug 15607] Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 ^demon innocentkil...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||innocentkil...@gmail.com --- Comment #15 from ^demon innocentkil...@gmail.com 2008-12-11 23:19:28 UTC --- (In reply to comment #13) [snip] The lack of automatic updates seems less than ideal, as does the multiple fetching of link data over the HTTP API on every page render. Management UI by manual editing of offsite pages looks pretty ugly; what could be done to improve this? Added some caching in r44476 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
