[Wikidata] Fwd: Undo/rollback of revisions with the Wikidata API

2015-11-10 Thread Sebastian Burgstaller
Hi everyone, Alongside the data model protection discussion, I am now developing a bot which should undo the merges we are facing in the Gene Wiki project. In order for the rollback Wikidata API call to work, I guess our bot account would require special permission for rollback to be able to do t

Re: [Wikidata] qwery.me - simpler queries for wikidata

2015-11-10 Thread Info WorldUniversity
Hi Paul and Wikidatans, Thanks, great, and this looks greatly simple and useful, and I haven't written wikidata queries in SPARQL. CC World University and School (WUaS) which just donated CC WUaS to CC Wikidata for its third birthday ( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Third_Birthday/Present

Re: [Wikidata] qwery.me - simpler queries for wikidata

2015-11-10 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Nice! In fact, I am fine with writing SPARQL, but I still find this very useful. Looking up entity ids can be cumbersome, and your automcompletion on labels is extremely useful there. Markus On 11.11.2015 01:09, Paul Sonnentag wrote: Hey, A week ago I started working on a project which trie

Re: [Wikidata] qwery.me - simpler queries for wikidata

2015-11-10 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! > It's still in a very early stage of development but I would like to hear > your feedback, especially if you haven't used SPARQL, because you found > it too complicated to get started with. > > qwery.me This looks great, I think it will be very useful, and a great help fo

[Wikidata] qwery.me - simpler queries for wikidata

2015-11-10 Thread Paul Sonnentag
Hey, A week ago I started working on a project which tries to make it simpler to query wikidata. It's still in a very early stage of development but I would like to hear your feedback, especially if you haven't used SPARQL, because you found it too complicated to get started with. qwery.me My ap

Re: [Wikidata] provenance tracking for high volume edit sources (was Data model explanation and protection)

2015-11-10 Thread Finn Årup Nielsen
Fine. I have added a ticket https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118322 "Merging wizard shouldn't allow dissimilar items to be merged". Perhaps a developer can help solve the issue. On 11/10/2015 08:47 PM, Benjamin Good wrote: You misunderstand me if you thought I was blaming Magnus for this.

Re: [Wikidata] provenance tracking for high volume edit sources (was Data model explanation and protection)

2015-11-10 Thread Benjamin Good
You misunderstand me if you thought I was blaming Magnus for this. It was a hypothesis that right now seems false and we do not yet have another answer. I do think it is entirely possible that a high-volume, low-user-expertise game interface could generate problems very much like what we are obse

Re: [Wikidata] Data model explanation and protection

2015-11-10 Thread Paul Houle
@Ben, be careful about "any reliance on human readable names leads almost immediately to data disaster" It is practically an axiom of the generics database field since at least the 1980s in the works of people like Lenat and Guha that this is the case. When I tell this to people in person thoug

Re: [Wikidata] provenance tracking for high volume edit sources (was Data model explanation and protection)

2015-11-10 Thread Finn Årup Nielsen
If I understand correctly: 1) Magnus' game already tags the edits with 'Widar'. 2) Magnus' game cannot merge protein and genes if they link to each other. With 'ortholog' and 'expressed by' Magnus' merging game does not contribute to the problematic merges (Magnus email from previously today:

[Wikidata] provenance tracking for high volume edit sources (was Data model explanation and protection)

2015-11-10 Thread Benjamin Good
In another thread, we are discussing the preponderance of problematic merges of gene/protein items. One of the hypotheses raised to explain the volume and nature of these merges (which are often by fairly inexperienced editors and/or people that seem to only do merges) was that they were coming fr

Re: [Wikidata] Data model explanation and protection

2015-11-10 Thread Benjamin Good
Finn, Thanks, I know the gene-protein thing is confusing. The example you raise there shows nicely why things are set up the way they are. One of the challenges is that there are so many related, but fundamentally different things to deal with that any reliance on human readable names leads almo

Re: [Wikidata] Data model explanation and protection

2015-11-10 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 29.10.2015 05:41, Benjamin Good wrote: For what its worth, I tend to agree with Peter here. It makes sense to me to add constraints akin to 'disjoint with' at the class level. +1 for having this. This does not preclude to have an additional mechanism on the instance level if needed to augm

Re: [Wikidata] Data model explanation and protection

2015-11-10 Thread Magnus Manske
FWIW, checked again. Neither game can merge two items that link to each other. So, if the protein is "expressed by" the gene, that pair will not even be suggested. On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 10:19 AM Finn Årup Nielsen wrote: > Isn't Magnus Manske's game tagging the edit with "Widar"? I do not see >

Re: [Wikidata] Data model explanation and protection

2015-11-10 Thread Finn Årup Nielsen
Isn't Magnus Manske's game tagging the edit with "Widar"? I do not see that for, for instance, the user Hê de tekhnê makrê. I must say, being a wannabe bioinformatician, that the gene/protein data in Wikidata can be confusing. Take https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q14907009 which had a merging pr