Re: [Wikidata] Lists of things as entities in Wikidata

2015-06-16 Thread Thad Guidry
Hi Bene, Yes, I have played with a few of the SPARQL endpoints. Interesting things sometimes do popup excitedly unexpected. I like those. But many assumptions have to be made in certain corner cases. But that why I have a brain, to make my own internal DAG whenever I need. :) ALL, Thanks for

[Wikidata] Lists of things as entities in Wikidata

2015-06-15 Thread Thad Guidry
In Freebase, we had bot scripts that went through and removed Lists of Things topic entities since they are lists of entities and not useful clumped together and normalized in a graph database. Does Wikidata have something similar or a user review process for deletion of these ? Ex. List of

Re: [Wikidata] Lists of things as entities in Wikidata

2015-06-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
By this reasoning we should also delete items about categories or disambiguation pages. Thad Guidry, 15/06/2015 17:21: Ex. List of tallest buildings in Wuhan - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6642364 What's the issue here? The item doesn't actually contain any list, there is no duplication

Re: [Wikidata] Lists of things as entities in Wikidata

2015-06-15 Thread Thad Guidry
Federico, As a Data Architect, I only care about individual Entities. I do not care what Wikidata needs internal for coordination with Wikipedia, etc... There is no contradiction...as long as Wikdata provides a good mechanism for me to filter out non-entities. Ideally an API or Search

Re: [Wikidata] Lists of things as entities in Wikidata

2015-06-15 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 15.06.2015 um 20:09 schrieb Thad Guidry: Federico, As a Data Architect, I only care about individual Entities. I do not care what Wikidata needs internal for coordination with Wikipedia, etc... There is no contradiction...as long as Wikdata provides a good mechanism for me to

Re: [Wikidata] Lists of things as entities in Wikidata

2015-06-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I have been REALLY active in adding statements with is a list of They do have a function. They show the content of a list in Reasonator. I do appreciate it when they are retained. They are both lists and categories. THanks, GerardM On 15 June 2015 at 17:53, Benjamin Good

Re: [Wikidata] Lists of things as entities in Wikidata

2015-06-15 Thread Romaine Wiki
Also the list entity has a function. The function of *instance of* is to identify what a page is about. A database is built on consistency, the list entity does do that for lists. A list is a very special type of a subject in comparison to other articles. It isn't linked through topic type

Re: [Wikidata] Lists of things as entities in Wikidata

2015-06-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thad Guidry, 15/06/2015 18:11: I think Wikidata needs to decide going forward if it will be a strict Entity Graph...or if it will be a Big Graph of all things Wikipedia. I understand the question, but why are the two things in contradiction? Nemo

Re: [Wikidata] Lists of things as entities in Wikidata

2015-06-15 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 15.06.2015 um 18:11 schrieb Thad Guidry: In General, I think Wikidata needs to decide going forward if it will be a strict Entity Graph...or if it will be a Big Graph of all things Wikipedia. Its an important question...if it decides on the latter...then just give a way to filter out

Re: [Wikidata] Lists of things as entities in Wikidata

2015-06-15 Thread Benjamin Good
I think this is clearly an evolutionary process. In the short term, wikidata needs to support Wikipedia use cases as Andrew mentioned above (thank you for the clarification). In the long term, this function and all other functions will (in my opinion) best be served by a transition into more and

Re: [Wikidata] Lists of things as entities in Wikidata

2015-06-15 Thread Thomas Douillard
We can create as many specialized classes as we want. That lists are more specific than classes is not a fatality. I think having a list about instances of a concept proves the concept is useful, so that the class is something that could exists. Moreother if we manually mark an item as an

Re: [Wikidata] Lists of things as entities in Wikidata

2015-06-15 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! In Freebase, we had bot scripts that went through and removed Lists of Things topic entities since they are lists of entities and not useful clumped together and normalized in a graph database. Why delete them? Wikidata has a number of things which are not your standard entity - lists,

Re: [Wikidata] Lists of things as entities in Wikidata

2015-06-15 Thread Thad Guidry
Stas, Always agreed, it's a classification problem. So what claims/statements do I rule out ? Or what should I only rule in (claims/statements) when wanting to return only real entities ? Can someone help with those negative claims/statements that I am looking for ? So far, I only have got