Re: [Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-03 Thread Benjamin Good
awesome, thank you! In case its useful for anyone, I was using wikidata to teach biologists and chemists about knowledge graphs (many tinyurls toward the end) http://www.slideshare.net/goodb/computing-on-the-shoulders-of-giants On the second part of the course students were provided with the

Re: [Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-03 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! > I could have used another one on my own I guess, but the current > implementation is much faster and less error prone when dealing with > monster sparqling urls... > > please find a way to keep it There are no plans to remove URL shortening. There are plans to switch URL shortener to

Re: [Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-03 Thread Julie McMurry
Makes perfect sense now, thanks for explaining. Julie On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:51 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Julie McMurry > wrote: > >> While I agree the primary aim isn't shortening, the result is usually >> much

Re: [Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-03 Thread Benjamin Good
I don't want to suggest a technology, but the URL shortener on wdqs has been EXTREMELY USEFUL to me and it would be major bummer to lose it. I recently taught a class and used a variety of examples of SPARQL queries over wikidata. Having that shortener made it much faster for me to assemble the

Re: [Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-01 Thread Tom Morris
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Julie McMurry wrote: > While I agree the primary aim isn't shortening, the result is usually much > shorter by virtue of cutting out everything non essential to > identification. Except in the case of a giant query string, such as a

Re: [Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-01 Thread Julie McMurry
While I agree the primary aim isn't shortening, the result is usually much shorter by virtue of cutting out everything non essential to identification. I say this as a non stakeholder in w3id, just a fan. Nevertheless I take your point that it isn't automated. I would like to understand the use

Re: [Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-01 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! > Hi there, may I ask what link shorteners provide you that w3id does not? > Eg baked in metrics or 10char urls? Just curious why you would want to > reimplement. From what I can see, the target audience of w3id is a relatively small set of very stable URL prefixes that are used a lot and

Re: [Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-01 Thread Julie McMurry
Hi there, may I ask what link shorteners provide you that w3id does not? Eg baked in metrics or 10char urls? Just curious why you would want to reimplement. Julie On Wednesday, June 1, 2016, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > that makes sense. It sounds like in the

Re: [Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-01 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! > that makes sense. It sounds like in the short term (and until we > have a Wikimedia-operated shortener), using full URLs from WDQS is – > alas – the only way to go. One option we haven't mentioned would be > for WDQS itself to support URL shortening, I have no idea where

Re: [Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-01 Thread Brill Lyle
For many events at Wikimedia NYC, we use a shortcut -- once you're on Wikipedia -- like "WP:Harlem" also known as "Wikipedia:Harlem" The redirect (before it redirects): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Harlem=no Redirects to the Schomburg editathon we held earlier this year

Re: [Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-01 Thread Dario Taraborelli
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Dario Taraborelli, 01/06/2016 10:33: > >> I don't, it probably depends on what shorteners are most used for spam >> purposes across Wikimedia projects. Maybe someone familiar with URL >> blacklisting from major

Re: [Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-01 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Dario Taraborelli, 01/06/2016 10:33: I don't, it probably depends on what shorteners are most used for spam purposes across Wikimedia projects. Maybe someone familiar with URL blacklisting from major wikis can comment? Nearly all URL shorteners get blacklisted, eventually. Nemo

Re: [Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-01 Thread Andrew Gray
Hi Dario (et al), I'm not deeply familiar with the spam blacklist issues (haven't worked with it for some years) but the problem I can see is that if we pick a currently OK third-party shortener and allow that, it'll be incredibly tempting for people to start using it for spam... If we're

Re: [Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-01 Thread Vi to
Any time I find an url shorter I add it to global blacklist, same do other stewards/meta admins. That's because url shorters are the most common way to circumvent blacklisting. Vito 2016-06-01 10:33 GMT+02:00 Dario Taraborelli : > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM,

[Wikidata] WDQS URL shortener

2016-06-01 Thread Dario Taraborelli
Hey all, while using shortened URLs from WDQS in the WikiCite report draft , it occurred to me that tinyurl.com is blacklisted on Meta. This is a major problem as it prevents concise URLs for gigantic queries from being linked from other