[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Bugreporter added a comment. See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals/Archive/2018/01#Proposal_to_rename_account_creator_group_to_batch_uploaders TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

abian added a comment. I like this solution. The only right provided by the flag of account creator is `noratelimit`, and right now no user account has this flag, so we can freely change the group/flag name with MediaWiki:Group-accountcreator

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

matej_suchanek added a comment. I still find a bit ridiculous that fast //editing// bots will be in a group for //account creators//... TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To:

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Lydia_Pintscher updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher Cc: MarcoAurelio, Urbanecm, ItamarWMDE, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, Hazard-SJ,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. In T258354#6501501 , @Ladsgroup wrote: > In T258354#6497417 , @Lydia_Pintscher wrote: > >> So that leaves the suggestion to remove noratelimit from

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Ladsgroup added a comment. In T258354#6499293 , @Multichill wrote: > Ok, I see, we only put misbehaving bots in this group. I think the proposal is the other way around, we add important bots that needs bypassing ratelimit to

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Ladsgroup added a comment. In T258354#6497417 , @Lydia_Pintscher wrote: > So that leaves the suggestion to remove noratelimit from all bots and add accounts that require noratelimit to "accountcreator" group. @Ladsgroup: Would this

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Multichill added a comment. Ok, I see, we only put misbehaving bots in this group. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Multichill Cc: MarcoAurelio, Urbanecm, ItamarWMDE,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. Ok so here's where we're at: - asking bots to be nice: This has happened. It's playing whack-a-mole. Admins who care are rightfully upset that this is not a workable solution and we've had complaints asking to not make this a whack-a-mole game anymore.

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

MarcoAurelio added a comment. Instead of a new user group, a better solution would be to remove, for the Wikidata bot group, the `noratelimit` permission and adjust in {src rOMWC :wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php} an acceptable

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Urbanecm added a comment. In T258354#6317977 , @Bugreporter wrote: > I instead think we should: > > - Remove noratelimit from all bots > - Add accounts that require noratelimit to "accountcreator" group I do strongly agree

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

ItamarWMDE added a comment. Awaiting announcement TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: ItamarWMDE Cc: ItamarWMDE, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, Hazard-SJ, pywikibot-bugs-list,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

WMDE-leszek updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: WMDE-leszek Cc: Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, Hazard-SJ, pywikibot-bugs-list, Multichill, Rschen7754, Pasleim,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Ladsgroup added a comment. In T258354#6365968 , @Bugreporter wrote: > When it is created and current bots moved to new group it would be a breaking change.

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Ladsgroup added a comment. Help me understand your proposal better. Sorry if I miss anything obvious. Bots and sysops have "noratelimit" right attached to their user rights groups. We can either have another bots right group that doesn't have the "noratelimit" right or apply a forced

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Multichill added a comment. In T258354#6387030 , @Ladsgroup wrote: > In T258354#6365838 , @Multichill wrote: > >> Just add a sane (relatively high) ratelimit to the current bots

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Ladsgroup added a comment. In T258354#6365838 , @Multichill wrote: > Just add a sane (relatively high) ratelimit to the current bots group or keep it as is. The current proposed solution is to try to work around the problem. Well,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Bugreporter added a comment. When it is created and current bots moved to new group it would be a breaking change. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Bugreporter Cc:

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Multichill added projects: Pywikibot-Wikidata, Pywikibot. Restricted Application added a subscriber: pywikibot-bugs-list. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Multichill Cc:

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Multichill added a comment. I think the approach is wrong. Let's start with the first assumption. Nuke ( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Nuke ) runs under your own account. Used it plenty of times. As an admin I have noratelimit so having noratelimit on a completely different group is

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. ANswers for remaining questions: Let's call it "Slow bots" and announce it before creation. I can write something up. Let's coordinate on IRC for a date. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

gerritbot added a project: Patch-For-Review. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: gerritbot Cc: Pasleim, matej_suchanek, tfmorris, Ladsgroup, Mike_Peel, Mohammed_Sadat_WMDE,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

gerritbot added a comment. Change 618245 had a related patch set uploaded (by Tobias Andersson; owner: Tobias Andersson): [operations/mediawiki-config@master] DNM WIP: add new limited bot group https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/618245 TASK DETAIL

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. In T258354#6317977 , @Bugreporter wrote: > I instead think we should: > > - Remove noratelimit from all bots > - Add accounts that require noratelimit to "accountcreator" group We discussed it

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Addshore moved this task from Prioritized Product to Wikidata-Campsite-Iteration-∞ on the Wikidata-Campsite board. Addshore edited projects, added Wikidata-Campsite (Wikidata-Campsite-Iteration-∞); removed Wikidata-Campsite. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 WORKBOARD

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Addshore updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Addshore Cc: matej_suchanek, tfmorris, Ladsgroup, Mike_Peel, Mohammed_Sadat_WMDE, Dipsacus_fullonum,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Addshore updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Addshore Cc: matej_suchanek, tfmorris, Ladsgroup, Mike_Peel, Mohammed_Sadat_WMDE, Dipsacus_fullonum,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Lydia_Pintscher updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher Cc: matej_suchanek, tfmorris, Ladsgroup, Mike_Peel, Mohammed_Sadat_WMDE,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

matej_suchanek added a comment. +1 to what @MisterSynergy said. > What would happen if a bot reached a rate limit? I believe they will be receiving an error message with `ratelimited` until they have waited enough time. Whether the bot crashes or waits depends on the used

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Mike_Peel added a comment. What would happen if a bot reached a rate limit? Would its edits just be delayed, the same as what happens currently when maxlag is reached, or would the edits be dropped/result in an error message? Hopefully it would be the former. TASK DETAIL

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

MisterSynergy added a comment. Regarding the proposed solution: - "flooders" should be treated the same as bots - I would like to see a way to limit all other unlimited users' edit rates as well (sysops, apparently global rollbackers, ...). When I use my sysop account with

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

MisterSynergy added a comment. In T258354#6317978 , @Bugreporter wrote: > Before this we should: > > - Find all bots that edits more than 90/minute > - Communiate to them I am already monitoring user edit rates occasionally

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Bugreporter added a comment. Before this we should: - Find all bots that edits more than 90/minute - Communiate to them TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Bugreporter Cc:

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Bugreporter added a comment. I instead think we should: - Remove noratelimit from all bots - Add accounts that requires noratelimit to "accountcreator" group TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Lydia_Pintscher created this task. Lydia_Pintscher added projects: Wikidata-Campsite, Wikidata.org, Wikidata. Restricted Application added a subscriber: Aklapper. TASK DESCRIPTION **Problem:** Currently bots are exempt from rate limits on Wikidata. This is needed for some tools like

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258354: create new rate-limited bot group for Wikidata

Lydia_Pintscher triaged this task as "High" priority. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258354 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher Cc: MisterSynergy, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Aklapper, Lydia_Pintscher, Akuckartz,