[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T235420: Create wikidata badges to indicate when sitelinks point to Wikipedia redirect pages

[kaldari]

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  > This will solve T54564 ?
  
  @Eugene - If you mean this specific task, no. If you mean Ladsgroup's patch 
discussed above, yes.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T235420: Create wikidata badges to indicate when sitelinks point to Wikipedia redirect pages

[kaldari]

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  For context, Wikidata now has over 85,000 sitelinks to redirects on English 
Wikipedia alone 
.
 Of those, at least 27,000 are intentional 
 (to deal with the 
'Bonnie and Clyde problem'). Perhaps it's time that we stop forcing people to 
use the workaround and accept that allowing sitelinks to redirects hasn't 
broken Wikidata and in fact is a good idea. The main objection that 
@Lydia_Pintscher and others raised at the RFC was that "it isn't clear how to 
keep the 'good' ones apart from the 'bad' ones", but the badging system (and 
existing templates like {{Wikidata redirect}} 
) provide a solution 
to that problem. I support merging @Ladsgroup's patch 
 
and hope others will consider it with an open mind.

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[Eugene]

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  This will solve T54564 ?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T235420: Create wikidata badges to indicate when sitelinks point to Wikipedia redirect pages

[Ladsgroup]

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  I set up a set of patches that basically allows redirects to be set in 
wikidata as sitelink (whether if they have a badge or not). Is that acceptable 
@Lydia_Pintscher ?

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[gerritbot]

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  Change 602422 had a related patch set uploaded (by Ladsgroup; owner: 
Ladsgroup):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Do not follow redirects on setting 
sitelinks
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/602422

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  Change 602412 had a related patch set uploaded (by Ladsgroup; owner: 
Ladsgroup):
  [mediawiki/core@master] Make following redirects in 
MediaWikiPageNameNormalizer optional
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/602412

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T235420: Create wikidata badges to indicate when sitelinks point to Wikipedia redirect pages

[Jane023]

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  In T235420#6078389 , 
@DemonDays64 wrote:
  
  > Any progress on this?
  >
  > Being able to add Wikidata sitelinks to redirects is important in my 
opinion because of things like French Wikipedia having an article about Proxima 
Centauri c  but English just 
having a redirect that could become an article 
. 
Because it it is difficult to add a link to redirects from Wikidata, when 
someone turns ones like this into an article there is a high chance of 
duplicate items being made.
  >
  > Also, having redirects connected to Wikidata is good because if I were 
looking for more detailed info and knew French or another language that 
happened to have an article about the planet, I could easily find that it did 
and read that instead.
  >
  > Thanks, hope this gets fixed soon!
  
  Note that this requires action on the Wikipedia side, not the Wikidata side. 
Maybe if this was implemented somewhere and the community actually started 
using it, we could have a more useful discussion about this.

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[Lydia_Pintscher]

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  Sorry. We've been swamped a bit with other urgent tings but this is still on 
the campside radar so hope we can get back to it within the next month.

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[DemonDays64]

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  Any progress on this?
  
  Being able to add Wikidata sitelinks to redirects is important in my opinion 
because of things like French Wikipedia having an article about Proxima 
Centauri c  but English just 
having a redirect that could become an article 
. 
Because it it is difficult to add a link to redirects from Wikidata, when 
someone turns ones like this into an article there is a high chance of 
duplicate items being made.
  
  Also, having redirects connected to Wikidata is good because if I were 
looking for more detailed info and knew French or another language that 
happened to have an article about the planet, I could easily find that it did 
and read that instead.
  
  Thanks, hope this gets fixed soon!

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[ItamarWMDE]

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  @DannyS712 Thank you, this is much appreciated.

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[DannyS712]

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  @ItamarWMDE I have granted you confirmed rights on wikidata, so you should be 
able to avoid the abuse filter now. Sorry about that

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[ItamarWMDE]

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  **_Clarification_**: Error above was reproduced in production for the item 
and sitelink mentioned in this ticket:
  
  https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q568417
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets:_6001%E2%80%937000#765

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[ItamarWMDE]

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  Was also able to reproduce, but getting a different error:
  

{"errors":[{"code":"failed-save","module":"wbsetsitelink","*":"The save has 
failed."},{"code":"abusefilter-disallowed","data":{"abusefilter":{"id":52,"description":"Badge
 
added","actions":["disallow"]}},"module":"wbsetsitelink","*":"\u29fcabusefilter-warning-badge\u29fd"},{"code":"failed-save","data":{"messages":[{"name":"wikibase-api-failed-save","parameters":[],"html":{"*":"The
 save has failed."}},{"name":"abusefilter-warning-badge","parameters":["Badge 
added",52],"html":{"*":"Warning: You are trying to add/remove badges to 
this item. At local Wikipedias adding or removing badges are done by consensus. 
Saving this edit was blocked and should be done only by administrators or 
trusted users. If you think you are correct, please contact an 
administrator."}}]},"module":"wbsetsitelink","*":"The save has 
failed."}],"servedby":"mw1345","*":"See https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php for 
API usage. Subscribe to the mediawiki-api-announce mailing list at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-api-announce; for 
notice of API deprecations and breaking changes."}
  
  @Ladsgroup How did you reproduce yours?

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[Jheald]

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  That's a bit of a problem, given what the badges are for...

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[Ladsgroup]

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  In T235420#5931689 , 
@Jheald wrote:
  
  > I tried to add an "intentional sitelink to redirect" badge on the English 
sitelink for asteroid 6765 Fibonacci , 
but got "Could not save due to an error.  The save has failed."
  > Is there something else that needs to be enabled, and/or does it need 
special permissions to be able to add such badges?
  
  I was able to reproduce it. Basically you can add the badge to any sitelinks 
except the redirects (that redirect to another item).
  
{"errors":[{"code":"failed-save","module":"wbsetsitelink","*":"The save has 
failed."},{"code":"wikibase-validator-sitelink-conflict","module":"wbsetsitelink","*":"The
 link [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets:_6001%E2%80%937000 
enwiki:List of minor planets: 6001\u20137000] is already used by Item 
[[Q313483|Q313483]]. You may remove it from [[Q313483|Q313483]] if it does not 
belong there or merge the Items if they are about the exact same 
topic."},{"code":"failed-save","data":{"messages":[{"name":"wikibase-api-failed-save","parameters":[],"html":{"*":"The
 save has 
failed."}},{"name":"wikibase-validator-sitelink-conflict","parameters":["[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets:_6001%E2%80%937000
 enwiki:List of minor planets: 
6001\u20137000]","[[Q313483|Q313483]]"],"html":{"*":"Site link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets:_6001%E2%80%937000\;>enwiki:List
 of minor planets: 6001\u20137000 is already used by item Q313483. Perhaps the items should 
be merged and one of them deleted? Request 
deletion of one of the items at d:Wikidata:Requests for deletions, or ask at d:Wikidata:Interwiki conflicts if you believe that they should 
not be merged."}}]},"module":"wbsetsitelink","*":"The save has 
failed."}],"servedby":"mw1227","*":"See https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php for 
API usage. Subscribe to the mediawiki-api-announce mailing list at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-api-announce; for 
notice of API deprecations and breaking changes."}

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[Jheald]

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  I tried to add an "intentional sitelink to redirect" badge on the English 
sitelink for asteroid 6765 Fibonacci , 
but got "Could not save due to an error.  The save has failed."
  
  Is there something else that needs to be enabled, and/or does it need special 
permissions to be able to add such badges?

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  Change 571738 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [operations/mediawiki-config@master] Add definitions for redirect badges
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/571738

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  Change 571737 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] Add badges for redirect sitelinks
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/571737

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  Change 571738 had a related patch set uploaded (by Itamar Givon; owner: 
Itamar Givon):
  [operations/mediawiki-config@master] Add definitions for redirect badges
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/571738

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  Change 571737 had a related patch set uploaded (by Itamar Givon; owner: 
Itamar Givon):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikidata.org@master] Add badges for redirect sitelinks
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/571737

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  From a totally different pov (wikisource), this would be nice too for links 
to "work pages" that can be DISAMBIG, but also REDIRECT as long as we have only 
1 edition of a text... :)

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  Jep can do :)

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  @Lydia_Pintscher - Having now kicked a few possibilities around on Project 
Chat, can we go for creating badges with:
  
  - the name `sitelink to redirect` and the icon 
File:Symbol_redirect_arrow_grey.svg 
 for 
regular sitelinks to redirects (Q70893996 
)
  - the name `intentional sitelink to redirect` and the icon 
File:Symbol_redirect_arrow_blue.svg 
 for 
"intentional" sitelinks to redirects (Q70894304 
)
  
  As MisterSynergy said at Project Chat, if people want a change once they see 
how they look, that's easy enough later.  But these look good for the time 
being.
  
  Presumably the system already knows what size to scale the SVGs to for 
display -- at Project Chat I have been testing what they look like at 20px tall 
for the links on the wikidata item page, and 10px tall for the links in the 
sidebars of Wikipedia articles.  Different scalings might be needed for screens 
with more pixels per inch, but as SVG is already used for the wikisource 
badges, I presume that's all coded in already.
  
  Thanks for making this a reality.

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  If we add those badges, we should remove the mechanism that prevents adding 
redirects as sitelinks (per 2017 redirect RfC). I can remember one situation in 
German Wikipedia where a user got in trouble because they disabled/re-enabled 
too many redirects to link them to Wikidata, and some community members 
including an admin considered that as vandalism that had to be stopped.
  
  Thus, if we do it, let's do it properly. Can someone link relevant phab 
topics?

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  Thanks Lydia.  I've started a thread at 
Wikidata:Project_chat#Badges_for_sitelinks_to_redirects 

 to quickly see if there are particular icons people would prefer.
  
  At the moment, I'm thinking perhaps File:Symbol redirect arrow blue.svg 
 for 
the links in Wikipedia sidebars, and either File:Symbol_redirect_blue.svg 
 or 
File:Symbol_redirect_blue.svg 
 on the 
Wikidata item pages, in blue for redirects identified as "intentional", or in 
grey where this is not so clear.  But people may come up with better 
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  Yeah adding two badges is easy enough. We just need the name and the icon for 
it.

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  The badges, and corresponding bot, might be a nice quick win for Wikidata's 
7th birthday.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T235420: Create wikidata badges to indicate when sitelinks point to Wikipedia redirect pages

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  Background:
  
  Mostly, the existence of a sitelink to a redirect indicates a potential 
//data problem// on Wikidata: a sitelink that has been left over when two 
Wikipedia articles have been merged, but no corresponding merge has been made 
on Wikidata.  A sitelink to a redirect can therefore be a strong indication 
that an item on Wikidata is a duplicate of another one, and should be merged 
with it.   However, at the moment it is not possible for somebody browsing a 
Wikidata article to readily spot that a sitelink points to a redirect.  A badge 
to identify this would bring the fact into plain sight.
  
  On the other hand sitelinks to redirects may also (sometimes) be created 
intentionally, most commonly to preserve decent interwiki linkage when 
different Wikipedias have adopted different article strategies for a subject 
with a "Bonnie and Clyde" issue.   At present eleven wikipedias allow such 
intentionally sitelinked redirects to be marked with a Template:Wikidata 
redirect  template.  On English 
Wikipedia this currently has almost 26,000 transclusions. A community RfC on 
Wikidata 

 in 2017-2018 confirmed that there was community consensus to allow sitelinks 
to be added to redirects in this way, matching the results of an earlier RfC in 
2013 
.
  Both the Wikidata Help:Handling sitelinks overlapping multiple items 

 help page and the Wikidata:Notability 
 policy page give advice on 
how such sitelinks to redirects may be created.
  
  Nevertheless, a strong theme in the most recent RfC 

 was that such redirects need to be much more clearly visible and 
distinguishable.
  
  Creating two new Wikidata badges, one to mark a sitelink to a redirect, and a 
second to mark an //intentional// sitelink to a redirect, would be the obvious 
(and comparatively easy) way to achieve this.

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