[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T191831: Track implicit use of non-overridden wikidata description

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[Lydia_Pintscher]

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  In T191831#6662872 , 
@ChristianKl wrote:
  
  > The ticket looks to me more like it's about the option of filtering within 
Wikibase which is a slightly different concern then the filtering over at 
Wikipedia. At Wikipedia we have the situation that plenty of editors don't want 
to see Wikidata changes that don't affect Wikipedia.
  >
  > It might be that there's a shared foundation for both but the user 
experience needs are different.
  
  Ah understood. So I think there are two issues here then. One is seeing 
changes that don't actually affect the article. This should be very rare by now 
and if it's happening it should most of the time be due to a template that is 
accessing the whole Item instead of more finegrained statements. The other 
issue is about wanting to filter the remaining changes that do actually affect 
the article and yeah I guess that could be different on Wikipedia and Wikidata 
indeed.

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  The change is now enabled, if you encounter any issue, feel free to report it 
here!

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE closed subtask T267745: Enable implicit description use 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T191831: Track implicit use of non-overridden wikidata description

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  The ticket looks to me more like it's about the option of filtering within 
Wikibase which is a slightly different concern then the filtering over at 
Wikipedia. At Wikipedia we have the situation that plenty of editors don't want 
to see Wikidata changes that don't affect Wikipedia.
  
  It might be that there's a shared foundation for both but the user experience 
needs are different.

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[Lydia_Pintscher]

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  Yeah this is currently bundled into the same option. We have a different 
ticket for looking into more filter options there at T216265 
. Since that's conceptually more 
tricky I wanted to get this out of the way first.

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[ChristianKl]

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  The acceptance criteria doesn't specify how this feature interacts with "Show 
Wikidata edits in your watchlist". I assume it's bundled into that option, but 
it would be nice to be explicit about that.
  
  It's unclear to me whether it's good to bundle all the Wikidata edits into 
the same option on the watchlist. Given experienced Wikipedia users options to 
configure a feature like this to show them the edits that they want to see and 
not those that they don't want to see helps with acceptance of Wikidata in the 
Wikipedia's even if it bloads the UI and makes the configuration more 
complicated for new users.
  
  It might be possible to convince a wiki like dewiki to activate showing 
changes in German Wikipedia descriptions by default but not to convince them to 
show edits to Wikidata statements by default (especially as long as the 
statements can't be filted for those that affect Wikipedia).

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE closed subtask T265898: Don’t create implicit 
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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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[Lydia_Pintscher]

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  In T191831#6570925 , 
@Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE wrote:
  
  > @Lydia_Pintscher should we track implicit usage in the page content 
language instead of the wiki content language?
  
  Good point. Since we care about triggering notifications for what is shown to 
the readers we want to take the page language if that's what is being used in 
the mobile search, yeah. 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikim%C3%A9dia_France&action=info&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop
 also shows the French description. So I hope this is consistently used.

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  It looks like the mobile search actually uses the description in the page 
content language, not necessarily the wiki content language – see the search 
results for Wikimédia on Meta:
  F32410837: Screen Shot 2020-10-22 at 11.33.15.png 

  
  That’s on the mobile website; I haven’t been able to test the mobile app yet, 
since there’s no page linked to Wikidata with a nonstandard content language on 
English or German Wikipedia, but I assume it behaves the same way there, since 
it should use the same underlying API.
  
  @Lydia_Pintscher should we track implicit usage in the page content language 
instead of the wiki content language?

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  Task breakdown notes:
  
  - We understand the AC “a change is only propagated for a change of the 
description if the content language of the client wiki is the same as the 
language of the description that was changed” to mean that //a recentchanges 
row is only created// if the language matches. On the repo, we don’t know 
anything about the client’s entity usage, nor its content language, so the repo 
will always inject the `ChangeNotification` job into the client’s job queue.
  
  - We expect that no changes to Wikibase Repository will be needed. Any 
potentially affected wiki will already be subscribed to the entity through a 
“title” and “sitelink” usage, and the repo will already send a 
`ChangeNotification` job to all clients. It’s up to the clients to now react to 
not only the real usages registered in their `wbc_entity_usage` table, but also 
to the implicit description usage in their content language.
  
  - We will hard-code the knowledge that the implicit use we support is 
“description in the client’s content language”. Of course, nothing stops the 
client wiki community from creating a gadget or something else which 
effectively uses other parts of the item implicitly (e. g. getting the Japanese 
label through JavaScript), but we don’t support tracking that kind of implicit 
use or adding it to the recent changes / watchlist.
  
  - The implicit use will probably be synthesized in an implementation of the 
`UsageLookup` interface (`getUsagesForPage()` and `getPagesUsing()` methods), 
adding to the current database-based implementation (`wbc_entity_usage` table).
  
  Edit: see also subtasks T265897 , 
T265898 , T265899 
.

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[Ladsgroup]

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  One thing I want to add here is that, while this feature is pretty vital, it 
wouldn't be as useful currently, given that wikidata edits are by default 
hidden from watchlist and recent changes, this is rather easily fixable (by 
splitting the filters of wikidata edits which is rather simple), we should 
start reducing the noise of wikidata edits in rc/watchlist heavily and start 
showing them by default.

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