[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Pppery closed this task as "Resolved". Pppery added a comment. In T248457#8318341 , @Alsee wrote: > Is there a reason for this task to still be open? Is there some aspect that is not 100% complete? No response, closing. TASK DETAIL

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Alsee added a comment. Is there a reason for this task to still be open? Is there some aspect that is not 100% complete? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248457 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Alsee Cc: Count_Count,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Dbrant closed subtask T256817: [EPIC] Replace Wikidata descriptions on enwiki with local descriptions as "Resolved". TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248457 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Dbrant Cc: Count_Count, Muchiri

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Aklapper removed eprodromou as the assignee of this task. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248457 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Aklapper Cc: Muchiri124, CASSIOPEIA, Xaosflux, mdaniels5757, TheDJ, eprodromou, Pigsonthew

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

eprodromou removed a project: Tech-Product API Roadmap. eprodromou added a comment. I'm removing this from the tech-product api roadmap since we've captured the API-specific parts on T259617 . TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248457

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

eprodromou claimed this task. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248457 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: eprodromou Cc: mdaniels5757, TheDJ, eprodromou, Pigsonthewing, GhostInTheMachine, Iniquity, DannyH, ppelberg, MichaelM

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

kaldari added a comment. @TheDJ @Tgr - It seems that most of the work currently being done in relation to this is at T259617 and associated subtasks. Not sure why those aren't connected here though. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Tgr added a comment. In T248457#6435718 , @TheDJ wrote: > I find the lack of action on this ticket stunning. FWIW, there is some discussion on this on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#Update:_Scheduled_shut

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Naike set the point value for this task to "1". TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248457 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Naike Cc: mdaniels5757, TheDJ, eprodromou, Pigsonthewing, GhostInTheMachine, Iniquity, DannyH, ppelb

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

TheDJ added a comment. I find the lack of action on this ticket stunning. This is exactly why I said two years ago to completely cut off en.wp from these features, so that we wouldn't have this mess right now. Stop making promises and then NOT keeping them. This completely undermines an

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Arrbee edited projects, added Tech-Product Roadmap; removed Platform Team Workboards (Platform-Product Roadmap). Arrbee moved this task from Untriaged to Later on the Tech-Product Roadmap board. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248457 WORKBOARD https://phabricator.wikimedia.or

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Mike_Peel added a comment. Just to let you know that I've started at RfC about bot-syncing Wikidata and enwp descriptions at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Synchronising_short_descriptions_and_Wikidata_descriptions TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Jonesey95 added a comment. In T248457#6361568 , @Iniquity wrote: > In T248457#6361440 , @kaldari wrote: > >>> There is not about local consensus of enwiki, they can do whatever they

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Iniquity added a comment. In T248457#6363684 , @kaldari wrote: > @Iniquity - Your continued arguments here are inappropriate and disruptive. Please stop. We have already agreed to implement this change at the request of the English Wiki

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

kaldari added a comment. @Iniquity - Your continued arguments here are inappropriate and disruptive. Please stop. We have already agreed to implement this change at the request of the English Wikipedia community. If you have concerns about the merits of this change, please take them to that

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Iniquity added a comment. In T248457#6361440 , @kaldari wrote: >> There is not about local consensus of enwiki, they can do whatever they want, it's about how the developers and the fond implement the integration with wikidata and betwe

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

kaldari added a comment. > There is not about local consensus of enwiki, they can do whatever they want, it's about how the developers and the fond implement the integration with wikidata and between all projects. Nothing will change regarding the Wikidata integration for other projects

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Iniquity added a comment. In T248457#6359928 , @kaldari wrote: > Can we please stop rehashing the RFC here? If there is difference of opinion on the merits of this change, please seek consensus on Wikipedia, not here. Arguing here only

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

eprodromou removed a project: Platform Engineering. eprodromou added a comment. I'll untag us on this; we have two parts of this project already getting scoped, so we'll leave the parent task untagged. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248457 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabri

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

kaldari added projects: Platform Engineering, Platform Team Workboards (Platform-Product Roadmap). TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248457 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: kaldari Cc: Pigsonthewing, GhostInTheMachine, Ini

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

kaldari added a comment. Can we please stop rehashing the RFC here? If there is difference of opinion on the merits of this change, please seek consensus on Wikipedia, not here. Arguing here only wastes the time of everyone involved. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248457 E

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Pigsonthewing added a comment. > a database field that isn't tracked and is not capable of being sourced to verify its contents... Neither of those claims are true. Wikidata edits are tracked in watchlist, just like those in Wikipedia are. And Wikidata descriptions should be sourced in

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

RexxS added a comment. In T248457#6330283 , @Iniquity wrote: > There are no sources in your template either, this is not the subject of conversation. I can add sourcing or references at any time to the template, and you can't do th

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Trialpears added a comment. > I would probably still agree with this if the integration would be simply disabled. But instead of that, the integration turns into support for a template, which is then transferred to other Wikipedia, where it is completely useless. The template is a wrapp

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Iniquity added a comment. In T248457#6330346 , @QEDK wrote: > Each project however retains full control over their content. The Wikidata > integration was done prior to receiving community feedback and hence > there's no reason to not

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

QEDK added a comment. Each project however retains full control over their content. The Wikidata integration was done prior to receiving community feedback and hence there's no reason to not undo this given that work has been put in to make it better for everyone - integration does not eq

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Iniquity added a comment. In T248457#6330315 , @Tgr wrote: > @Iniquity this is not a good place to have this argument. If you want to convince the English Wikipedia community that Wikidata descriptions do not conflict with their policie

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Tgr added a comment. @Iniquity this is not a good place to have this argument. If you want to convince the English Wikipedia community that Wikidata descriptions do not conflict with their policies, or that they should be used regardless of whether they conflict with their policies, you need

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Iniquity added a comment. In T248457#6329589 , @RexxS wrote: > What happens, though, is that it adds content that may not abide by the local policies and that is a fundamental flaw. I don’t understand how a five-word sentence might

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

RexxS added a comment. Yes, you could do that and get laughed at. Nobody has said Wikidata adds garbage except you. What happens, though, is that it adds content that may not abide by the local policies and that is a fundamental flaw. The description fields are monolingual, so only affec

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

Iniquity added a comment. In T248457#6326902 , @RexxS wrote: > If you don't want to abide by the policies on the English WIkipedia, you need to stop adding content to the English Wikipedia. It's not a difficult concept. By your log

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

RexxS added a comment. If you don't want to abide by the policies on the English WIkipedia, you need to stop adding content to the English Wikipedia. It's not a difficult concept. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248457 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/se

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T248457: Fully terminate use of Wikidata item descriptions as short article descriptions for English Wikipedia articles

JKatzWMF added a subtask: T256817: [EPIC] Replace Wikidata descriptions on enwiki with local descriptions. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248457 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: JKatzWMF Cc: Iniquity, DannyH, ppelberg,