[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T255259: Investigate increasing the default run rate of jobs for Wikibase

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  > Figure out if numbers greater than 1 even work here
  
  So ultimately the answer to this part is yes?
  However we want to document and provide an example for a job runners for the 
docker setup?
  Sounds good to me!

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  Alright, it sounds like we have a followup: T288534: Add job runner to 
Wikibase Docker setup 

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  I understand but my point is that if you need rate more than 1, you probably 
need a separate job runner (which can be very easily setup, probably even in 
docker-compose as part of our official release)

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  Yes, you’re describing all the downsides of pageview-driven job running, but 
that doesn’t change the fact that it exists :D

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  That would be weird and interesting and at best would be relying on the 
webserver's traffic (otherwise, how Apache would know to run the job?). If a 
server is scaling out that (which I'm surprised even exists), the right way is 
to have a job runner (as a minutely cron, nothing fancy).

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  > in your localhost, no job is being ran unless you run runJobs.php. Right?
  
  …no? Jobs are being run, but only on `index.php` requests, not `api.php` 
ones. But I definitely saw the job queue go down without ever running 
`runJobs.php`.

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[Ladsgroup]

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  It might sound stupid and you probably know this already and I'm really sorry 
for repeating something you know already but in your localhost, no job is being 
ran unless you run runJobs.php. Right?
  
  If you have some systems in docker to run jobs, you can just spawn multiple 
runJobs.php. They should be able to work in parallel.

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  I think adding a job runner to the docker setup, either in 
`docker-compose.extra.yml` or even in `docker-compose.yml`, would be good, 
yeah. I briefly looked into it but couldn’t figure out how to attach the 
MediaWiki/Wikibase config (`LocalSettings.php`) to another container, since the 
file is generated on-demand.

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  In T255259#7266601 , 
@Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE wrote:
  
  > My assumption was that, with a sufficiently high job run rate, you could 
run large Wikibase imports, and each edit API request would on average run as 
many jobs as it enqueued, keeping the job queue within reasonable limits. But 
that’s clearly not the case: `$wgJobRunRate` is for regular page views 
(`index.php`), and any wiki which doesn’t have a sufficiently high volume of 
page views will just accumulate more and more jobs. “Write-only” or “API-only” 
(or “-mainly”) wikis must have a dedicated job runner.
  
  What would be a good next step here, I'm not sure the AC for either/or 
applies any more with this information? The `$wgJobRunRate` and runJobs.php 
alternative is already mentioned in the release notes T276905: Update 1.35 
release notes to mention runJobs.php and consider maybe tweaking job frequency 
 but I'm not aware of any further 
documentation on running a separate job-runner for wikibase.
  
  Seeing that api requests don't run jobs (and i guess this might be where most 
of the wikibase traffic goes) do want to offer some examples on how to run a 
separate job-runner for the docker images?

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  I reset my wiki and repeated the import with the job run rate set to 150, and 
there were still 3003 jobs in the queue after the import was done. Manual page 
views still seem to chip away at the job queue, in pretty large chunks (e.g. 80 
at once), but API requests don’t.
  
  And I think the reason for this is – if I’m reading `MediaWiki.php` and 
`api.php` correctly – is that **API requests don’t run jobs.** The only 
`MediaWiki` method which `api.php` calls is `doPostOutputShutdown()`; it does 
//not// call `main()` or `schedulePostSendJobs()`.
  
  My assumption was that, with a sufficiently high job run rate, you could run 
large Wikibase imports, and each edit API request would on average run as many 
jobs as it enqueued, keeping the job queue within reasonable limits. But that’s 
clearly not the case: `$wgJobRunRate` is for regular page views (`index.php`), 
and any wiki which doesn’t have a sufficiently high volume of page views will 
just accumulate more and more jobs. “Write-only” or “API-only” (or “-mainly”) 
wikis must have a dedicated job runner.

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  Okay I bumped the `$wgJobRunRate` to **100**, made another 1000 curl requests 
(which now took 1m50s instead of 1m20s), and finally the job queue went down 
significantly, from 2941 to 744 jobs. So with a rate of ostensibly 100 jobs per 
request, we got just under 2.2 actual jobs per request. If the same is true for 
`wbeditentity` requests, this would still not be quite enough to keep the job 
queue down, since it seems like each edit produced 3 jobs.

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  I changed the job queue run rate from 2 to 1 in LocalSettings just in case 
rates > 1 aren’t supported after all, sent 1000 requests to the wiki with curl, 
and the number of jobs went down from 3010 to… 2941.
  
  Is it possible that post-request job running just doesn’t work very well 
anymore? And nobody’s noticed it because most serious MediaWiki deployments use 
job runners?

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  It seems pretty clear that jobs were not run during the QuickStatements run – 
most job rows are still contiguous:
  
  name=eval.php
> $diffs = []; $prev = 29; foreach ( wfGetDB( DB_REPLICA 
)->selectFieldValues( 'job', 'job_id', '*', '', [ 'ORDER BY' => 'job_id ASC' ] 
) as $id ) { $diffs[$id-$prev]++; $prev = $id; } var_dump( $diffs );
array(7) {
  [0]=>
  int(1)
  [1]=>
  int(2958)
  [2]=>
  int(38)
  [3]=>
  int(7)
  [8]=>
  int(1)
  [4]=>
  int(3)
  [12]=>
  int(1)
}
  
  (29 is the first job row, so the first selected field value gave a diff of 0.)

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  In fact, as I go around the wiki, not editing but just loading different 
pages, the number of jobs tends to go //up//? It fluctuates a bit, sometimes it 
goes down by one or two, but on the whole it goes up more often, and I’m now at 
3009 reported jobs rather than 3003…

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  On a more-or-less default Wikibase Docker setup (where `$wgJobRunRate` is 
apparently 2, according to `eval.php`), after creating 1000 items with 
QuickStatements, the API reports just over 3000 jobs in the queue.
  
  However, reloading `api.php` doesn’t seem to reduce the number of jobs, so 
I’m not sure if jobs are actually being run post-request.

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  It looks like `$wgJobRunRate > 1` is actually supported, and has been since 
the job queue was introduced – looks like this in rMWeeb84cce20e9: Added job 
table, for deferred processing of jobs. The immediate application is… 
,
 and still pretty similar in current master:
  
if ( $wgJobRunRate <= 0 ) {
return;
}
if ( $wgJobRunRate < 1 ) {
$max = mt_getrandmax();
if ( mt_rand( 0, $max ) < $max * $wgJobRunRate ) {
return;
}
$n = 1;
} else {
$n = intval( $wgJobRunRate );
}

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T255259: Investigate increasing the default run rate of jobs for Wikibase

[Addshore]

Addshore updated the task description.
Addshore set the point value for this task to "5".

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maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T255259: Investigate increasing the default run rate of jobs for Wikibase

[Samantha_Alipio_WMDE]

Samantha_Alipio_WMDE added a project: Wikidata-Campsite.

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maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T255259: Investigate increasing the default run rate of jobs for Wikibase

[Addshore]

Addshore edited projects, added Wikibase Release Strategy; removed 
Wikibase-Docker-2017+.
Restricted Application added a project: wdwb-tech.

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maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, 
LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude, 
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